THE FRONT LINE an hour of my life wasted!

hampi

I was just wondering what do people think of the front line? To me its a waste of time, no indepth discussion and I can't say much for Pat Kenny style of interviewing.

Birdnuts

I agree - After an excellent PT investigates, Pats anti-charisma killed a potentially good debate:rolleyes:

AnnyHallsal

Watching that artist lunatic was well worth it!

RichardAnd

Frontline is just visual liveline. Nothing gets said and nothing good will come of it. It's mind numbing "cheap" filler from the true masters of the art, RTE.

ei.sdraob

think of it as RTEs version of ranting and raving forum



tho sometimes the guest speakers have some interesting opinions and insight, also it is interesting to hear the opinions of average people

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AnnyHallsal wrote: »

Watching that artist lunatic was well worth it!

an Art graduate realising he wasted 4 years of his life and cost the taxpayer, priceless

DrumSteve

AnnyHallsal wrote: »

Watching that artist lunatic was well worth it!

I was in the audience behind that guy... he reminded me of the Yorkshire Ripper... I really did think he was going to kill someone.

evolve

ei.sdraob wrote: »

tho sometimes the guest speakers have some interesting opinions and insight, also it is interesting to hear the opinions of average people

When watching this, I always feel the 'average people' in the audience are plants, steering the 'debate' to defend the government agenda. RTE seems to be nothing but a PR machine for the current government, no investigative journalism or indepth discussion on anything of importance.

ei.sdraob

evolve wrote: »

When watching this, I always feel the 'average people' in the audience are plants, steering the 'debate' to defend the government agenda. RTE seems to be nothing but a PR machine for the current government, no investigative journalism or indepth discussion on anything of importance.

Could very well be true,
most of the opinions make me go :rolleyes::rolleyes: :P

but its good to hear different things for a variety

Twin-go

RichardAnd wrote: »

Frontline is just visual liveline. Nothing gets said and nothing good will come of it. It's mind numbing "cheap" filler from the true masters of the art, RTE.

Cheep filler that we pay the presenter over €600k p.a. to present. :mad:

They keep saying we have to adjust back to 2002 tax levels.

So will the TV Lience be €107 next year?

RichardAnd

Twin-go wrote: »

Cheep filler that we pay the presenter over €600k p.a. to present. :mad:

They keep saying we have to adjust back to 2002 tax levels.

So will the TV Lience be €107 next year?

Hence why I put cheap in "" It's cheap in quality but not in price.

Laminations

DrumSteve wrote: »

I was in the audience behind that guy... he reminded me of the Yorkshire Ripper... I really did think he was going to kill someone.

This is the problem with Ireland, I didn't see that Frontline but I'm assuming everyone is mocking that fella for being blisteringly angry. Isn't that how we should all feel? At what point is unmitigated rage appropriate? Do the government need to come into your houses and actually physicallyrape your family?

If this culture of learned helplessness which is percolated with attitudes like what'd the neighbours think', 'you cant be seen to get angry', 'anger is not a policy', 'look at that angry Yorkshire Ripper-esque citizen', 'we must keep our manners above all else'... If all that didn't exist I'd be organising a group of homeless to go spend Christmas in Gerry Gannons mansion in Sutton, whether he liked it or not. Anger has a function, it magnifies a response, it is past time people in Ireland responded, after seeing the continued highlife living of our indebted developers I'd favour ramsackings of their homes by angry mobs

We laugh at people who show emotions, we mock people who 'allow' themselves to get upset or worked up. We are emotionally repressed

EricPraline

ei.sdraob wrote: »

think of it as RTEs version of ranting and raving forum

That's an accurate analogy! The quality of FL last night was very poor, particularly in comparison to the PrimeTime show which preceded it.

AnnyHallsal

Laminations wrote: »

This is the problem with Ireland, I didn't see that Frontline but I'm assuming everyone is mocking that fella for being blisteringly angry. Isn't that how we should all feel? At what point is unmitigated rage appropriate? Do the government need to come into your houses and actually physicallyrape your family?

If this culture of learned helplessness which is percolated with attitudes like what'd the neighbours think', 'you cant be seen to get angry', 'anger is not a policy', 'look at that angry Yorkshire Ripper-esque citizen', 'we must keep our manners above all else'... If all that didn't exist I'd be organising a group of homeless to go spend Christmas in Gerry Gannons mansion in Sutton, whether he liked it or not. Anger has a function, it magnifies a response, it is past time people in Ireland responded, after seeing the continued highlife living of our indebted developers I'd favour ramsackings of their homes by angry mobs

We laugh at people who show emotions, we mock people who 'allow' themselves to get upset or worked up. We are emotionally repressed

You're assuming wrong, on my behalf anyway. I myself was enraged after that Prime Time special. This ex art student was just amusingly similar to the 'mad artist' stereotype. His suggestion was that after students graduate they should be liberated to follow their path at their own leisure. So perhaps it's best not to comment on what you didn't see.

ei.sdraob

Laminations wrote: »

This is the problem with Ireland, I didn't see that Frontline but I'm assuming everyone is mocking that fella for being blisteringly angry. Isn't that how we should all feel? At what point is unmitigated rage appropriate? Do the government need to come into your houses and actually physicallyrape your family?

no no you should watch it really , the faces this guy in particular was pulling was priceless
he wasn't angry, he was clueless

there where plenty of other people expressing anger and they all got applause

AnnyHallsal wrote:

His suggestion was that after students graduate they should be liberated to follow their path at their own leisure

Which raises the question of what's stopping him

Laminations

Ah ok, I've gotten so used to angry people receiving :rolleyes: that I assumed completely wrong. Eccentric artists with crazy ideas are still fair game in my book

AnnyHallsal

Laminations wrote: »

Ah ok, I've gotten so used to angry people receiving :rolleyes: that I assumed completely wrong. Eccentric artists with crazy ideas are still fair game in my book

Yeah, I'm quite artsy myself but this guy was ... out there.

flutered

Birdnuts wrote: »

I agree - After an excellent PT investigates, Pats anti-charisma killed a potentially good debate:rolleyes:

it should be renamed plankline.

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Yeh and she still has a job, there are people in more unfortunate situations

I suppose she is one of those who would like to be bailed out for her own recklessness

you think she would have got at least a credit union loan instead of using most expensive form of credit available

Jaysoose

Was watching right up till the teacher gets the mike and starts off with "Im a big bad public servant...roll eyes" at this exact point i turned over to watch the darts on sky sports.

Biggest load of sh1te on television and is purely a vehicle for pat to rant about things that couldnt possibly be affecting his lifestyle.

whippet

I watched last night up until the first bleeding heart from the audience got their bit in.

A young woman whinging that she is in negative equity (so are a lot of people .. what is new) .. she is complaining that her mortgage is 90% of her income after a 30% pay cut.

I reckon this means that she was paying over 60% of her annual income on a mortgage when she bought her house.

Well, for idiots like that I have feck all sympathy for. Who in their right mind thinks they can buy a Principle Private Residence costing them over 60% of their current income. She was obiously delusional on either of two counts:

a - That house prices will rise at mega rates for ever and she would cash in on her capital gain

b - That her employement was concrete and she would get pay rises hand over fist for the rest of her working life.

How anyone could possibly see their PPR as an investment.

Forget about the negative equity for a moment, how in the name of hell could this woman have thought she could keep paying such a mortage for the next 30 odd years?

If I ever hear 'where's the NAMA for the people in negative equity' again I will go mental. Leo Varadkar started this crap, NAMA isn't a debt forgivness agency .. it is a debt collection agency ... spouting this crap mean that they have no idea what it is.

I am sick of people who got greedy and now can't afford it. If your house cost 90% of you monthly income you should be renting, living in a much smaller house etc ... not do dicky mortgage applications with the help of money hungry brokers who will apply for insane amounts from banks who even gave mortgages to people that didn't exist.

I'm in Negative Equity, but when I got my mortgage I decided how much I wanted a month to pay back and maintain a lifestyle, the bank offered double what I requested ... I stuck to my guns and I am thankfully quite comfortable at the moment.

Jaysoose

whippet wrote: »

I watched last night up until the first bleeding heart from the audience got their bit in.

A young woman whinging that she is in negative equity (so are a lot of people .. what is new) .. she is complaining that her mortgage is 90% of her income after a 30% pay cut.

I reckon this means that she was paying over 60% of her annual income on a mortgage when she bought her house.

Well, for idiots like that I have feck all sympathy for. Who in their right mind thinks they can buy a Principle Private Residence costing them over 60% of their current income. She was obiously delusional on either of two counts:

a - That house prices will rise at mega rates for ever and she would cash in on her capital gain

b - That her employement was concrete and she would get pay rises hand over fist for the rest of her working life.

How anyone could possibly see their PPR as an investment.

Forget about the negative equity for a moment, how in the name of hell could this woman have thought she could keep paying such a mortage for the next 30 odd years?

If I ever hear 'where's the NAMA for the people in negative equity' again I will go mental. Leo Varadkar started this crap, NAMA isn't a debt forgivness agency .. it is a debt collection agency ... spouting this crap mean that they have no idea what it is.

I am sick of people who got greedy and now can't afford it. If your house cost 90% of you monthly income you should be renting, living in a much smaller house etc ... not do dicky mortgage applications with the help of money hungry brokers who will apply for insane amounts from banks who even gave mortgages to people that didn't exist.

I'm in Negative Equity, but when I got my mortgage I decided how much I wanted a month to pay back and maintain a lifestyle, the bank offered double what I requested ... I stuck to my guns and I am thankfully quite comfortable at the moment.

Bingo.. myself and the missus where offered 550K and i told the broker he is taking the piss, his reply "the more you spend the bigger the returns" in negative equity but can afford to pay the mortgage without any dificulty thanks to ignoring his terrible advice. Why would anybody commit to pay out more than 60% of their income as mortgage every month is insane.

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DrumSteve

Laminations wrote: »

This is the problem with Ireland, I didn't see that Frontline but I'm assuming everyone is mocking that fella for being blisteringly angry. Isn't that how we should all feel? At what point is unmitigated rage appropriate? Do the government need to come into your houses and actually physicallyrape your family?

If this culture of learned helplessness which is percolated with attitudes like what'd the neighbours think', 'you cant be seen to get angry', 'anger is not a policy', 'look at that angry Yorkshire Ripper-esque citizen', 'we must keep our manners above all else'... If all that didn't exist I'd be organising a group of homeless to go spend Christmas in Gerry Gannons mansion in Sutton, whether he liked it or not. Anger has a function, it magnifies a response, it is past time people in Ireland responded, after seeing the continued highlife living of our indebted developers I'd favour ramsackings of their homes by angry mobs

We laugh at people who show emotions, we mock people who 'allow' themselves to get upset or worked up. We are emotionally repressed

Actually I was just saying he looked like him. He actually had some valid points it's just that they were kind of lost behind the madness so to speak.

Calm down eh?:D

whippet

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it's the sense of entitlement that us Tiger Cubs are suppose to have .....

Rent the apartment, it probably is in South Dublin CC, and you could easily rent a nice 3Bed Semi in Dublin 15 for the same money ... but it probably is a case of 'not wanting to raise kids outside of SDCC' is the stumbling block rather than the economics of it.

The sooner these people who made bad choices realise that they gambled and lost and will have to live like someone who has lost this gamble the better.

Yes it will be tough, but it is managable, swallow the pride and get on with it.

A mate of mine was a small time developer, during the good times champagne, range rovers, ridicolous holidays and a trophy home was the par. The crap kicked in and the lad managed to adjust fairly quickly, the cars were sold, the house was rented out and he moved back to his old 3 bed semi, a transit was bought and he now is doing garage and attic conversions ... all the while doing his best to service his debts. He has missed out on stag do' etc as he hasn't a penny.

The reality is that people actually respect him for how quickly he managed to adjust to a lifestyle of graft again and honour his repsonsibilities.

jacool

Twin-go wrote: »

Cheep filler that we pay the presenter over €600k p.a. to present. :mad:

They keep saying we have to adjust back to 2002 tax levels.

So will the TV Lience be €107 next year?

This rubbish gets trotted out regularly.
You will find that when Kenny is on the mike advertising revenue is massive.
Way more people watch programs that Pat Kenny presents, which allows RTE bring in way more revenue on the back of those shows. I'm not defending him just stating facts, that's all. He would be considered value for money in that respect.

evolve

jacool wrote: »

This rubbish gets trotted out regularly.
You will find that when Kenny is on the mike advertising revenue is massive.
Way more people watch programs that Pat Kenny presents, which allows RTE bring in way more revenue on the back of those shows. I'm not defending him just stating facts, that's all. He would be considered value for money in that respect.

Hmmmm...you will find that when Kenny is on the mike ..... I'm on the remote switching channel

maninasia

EricPraline wrote: »

That's an accurate analogy! The quality of FL last night was very poor, particularly in comparison to the PrimeTime show which preceded it.

From what I saw of the Primetime episode I thought it was well done and researched.

The problem though... too late, developers had started to move their assets into their spouses name BEFORE Nama even started, the rumours had been flying , where was RTE then?

bcmf

After watching 'The Frontline' last night (apart from the 'artist' and the '90% of my income bleeding heart woman) 2 things stood out for me.
1) If SF had more people like P Doherty on their side they could do serious damage in the GE.
2) Near the end a member of the audience touched on a massive ,but as far as I can see not widely discussed, problem. The self employed that are Tax compliant but due to circumstance's outside of their control their business have failed. They have almost zero entitlements to SW with it all goes south.

Atilathehun

I watched it, I was absolutely convinced I could get a strong smell of BO:(

Then I heard Pat Plank, on radio to day, bleating on about how tough life has become for people in Dublin, since the snow started. He explained in painful deatail how he dashed out of RTE yesterday, to get home to have a shower before going on Frontline. However such were the blizzards, and howling freezing gales, he had to turn around and go back the RTE.

Then it dawned on me, the dirty little €600k a year rat, didn't even have a shower before coming on Frontline:cool: Fcuking disgrace:o

mossyc123

donegalfella wrote: »

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"Brian Cowen's tied my tubes!!!"

DrumSteve

Atilathehun wrote: »

I watched it, I was absolutely convinced I could get a strong smell of BO:(

Then I heard Pat Plank, on radio to day, bleating on about how tough life has become for people in Dublin, since the snow started. He explained in painful deatail how he dashed out of RTE yesterday, to get home to have a shower before going on Frontline. However such were the blizzards, and howling freezing gales, he had to turn around and go back the RTE.

Then it dawned on me, the dirty little €600k a year rat, didn't even have a shower before coming on Frontline:cool: Fcuking disgrace:o

He pointed out he had to take one in the dressing room before the show.

swampgas

whippet wrote: »

Who in their right mind thinks they can buy a Principle Private Residence costing them over 60% of their current income. She was obiously delusional on either of two counts:

a - That house prices will rise at mega rates for ever and she would cash in on her capital gain

b - That her employement was concrete and she would get pay rises hand over fist for the rest of her working life.

While people have to be responsible for their own actions, a huge chunk of the population were delusional, and it was a delusion that was fostered by the government, the banks, the property developers and the media.

I have yet to see much anger directed at the government and media for encouraging so many people getting unsustainable mortgages, somehow it's all the fault of the banks and the bond-holders ...

Twin-go

jacool wrote: »

This rubbish gets trotted out regularly.
You will find that when Kenny is on the mike advertising revenue is massive.
Way more people watch programs that Pat Kenny presents, which allows RTE bring in way more revenue on the back of those shows. I'm not defending him just stating facts, that's all. He would be considered value for money in that respect.

Why not increase the charge for advertising slots and reduce the Lience fee?

Maybe the view can get value for money too.

EricPraline

swampgas wrote: »

I have yet to see much anger directed at the government and media for encouraging so many people getting unsustainable mortgages, somehow it's all the fault of the banks and the bond-holders ...

I think it's fair to say there is plenty of anger out there at the government. They'll be subjected to the brunt of it if they have the gall to canvas on doorsteps next year.

But I totally agree regarding the media. Their role has been totally eclipsed as they're in a comfortable position to shift the blame to other parties. Let's not forget that The FrontLine is brought to us by the same people who brought us such gems as I'm an Adult, Get Me Out of Here. The broadsheets played an even greater role by giving so much prominence to biased advice, shilling and bogus "research" promoted by estate agents, developers, bankers and others who were desperate to shift property.

Irish Slaves for Europe

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I agree but at the same time, the stupidest people in Irish society need to be protected from easy money, and their potential for raking up huge debts reduced. The amount of deposit needed to buy a house should be gradually raised to about 40%.

The frontline show is a bit of a carnival alright, I lolled and cringed the whole way through it. I particularly liked how quickly they went from the women balling her eyes out and implying she was suicidal to the teacher who immediately let out a big laugh and said how much she was looking forward to 2011. Pure cringefest.

Holybejaysus

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+1. The poor lamb is probably only able to afford a frappuccino four times a week now. My heart weeps purple piss for her kind.

goose2005

donegalfella wrote: »

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Actually, it is. It's the state and banks who decided that low interest rates, low taxes, low stamp duty and easy credit were a good idea - in that situation, of course personal borrowing and consumer spending will be high.

ei.sdraob

Ah yes because in this nanny state the citizens are not capable of thinking for themselves rationally before making the largest decision of their lives

The people of this country truly deserve the **** they are in so.

swampgas

ei.sdraob wrote: »

Ah yes because in this nanny state the citizens are not capable of thinking for themselves rationally before making the largest decision of their lives

The people of this country truly deserve the **** they are in so.

It is equally the case that if the government was capable of thinking rationally it would have seen that it was entirely predictable that their economic policies would lead to significant numbers of people over-extending themselves.

The behaviour of the general public is pretty predictable in this regard.

whippet

goose2005 wrote: »

Actually, it is. It's the state and banks who decided that low interest rates, low taxes, low stamp duty and easy credit were a good idea - in that situation, of course personal borrowing and consumer spending will be high.

Yes of course ... But it still took delusional people to make a conscious decision to fork out over 60% of the pay check on a mortgage on their principal residence . .... Don't expect me to be sympathetic


But back on topic the frontline just rolls on these bitter heads to boost ratings ..obviously works but I won't be watching anymore

kaiser sauze

ei.sdraob wrote: »

Yeh and she still has a job, there are people in more unfortunate situations

I suppose she is one of those who would like to be bailed out for her own recklessness

you think she would have got at least a credit union loan instead of using most expensive form of credit available

A credit union loan would not be an option for her now, damage is done.

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THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

Firefox11

evolve wrote: »

When watching this, I always feel the 'average people' in the audience are plants, steering the 'debate' to defend the government agenda. RTE seems to be nothing but a PR machine for the current government, no investigative journalism or indepth discussion on anything of importance.

I find when watching this. The "average people" are basically clueless as to what's going on. Lots of people that have made poor choices in life and want to blame it on somebody else or want someone else to pay for it.

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jimmycrackcorm

donegalfella wrote: »

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In fairness even people who do not get in over their head are screwed if they lose their jobs. i.e. the only solution to your point is not to borrow at all.

ei.sdraob

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

In fairness even people who do not get in over their head are screwed if they lose their jobs. i.e. the only solution to your point is not to borrow at all.

There is this thing called insurance

Its impossible to predict the future but it is possible to hedge and protect oneself, getting a mortgage that takes out a large chunk of your income at a time when rates are so low and can only go up is insane.

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