Father never had a full driving licence!

lonelyguy

Hi! I am posting here just to get some advice about my father and his driving!
Well he is a 62 year old farmer! He believes that the who licenceing system is wrong. He says he has being driving with over 45years and never has had an accdient. He did get a provisional a few years ago and he attempted a driving test nd he got 25 grade 2 fults and 7 grade 3 faults. Now he says that they did him in the test. Both my brother and sisyer passed there driving test with hardly any faults and he says it's because the both went to collage! I know that is really funny.
I rarely go any where with him. Just to our local town if I really need to go with gim for example school. Now I am no expert driver but the amount of things he does wrong is scary. He drives really slow by the way.
He often goes on the motorway and seenothing wrong with it. He says he is fully legal and if any garda said anything to him he would bate the ****e out of him. Once he missed his exit on the M7 I think it was near portlaoise and my aunt was in the car and she said he pulled into the hard sholederand did U turn against on-coming traffic.
Now I have plenty of more bad driving experience with him!
So anywy he won't do another driving test he says it's a waste of his money my the way he's on social welfare so it's not relly his to begin with.
Or do driving lessons because he is so good.
My mam only did her driving test in 02 because he wouldn't let her do it. When my brother finshed collage he gave her money for lessons and she passed the 1st time. He ws raging when she did it.
These are my questions anyway?
If he ever gets cought.
What summons will he face?
Is there anyway I could comvience him to do a test?
Should I just report him? Part of me wants to simple becuse I see him a very dangerous driver!
Sorry for the long post!

johnboysligo

I think if he was caught driving without a full license that he would be charged as though he had none at all.
As for the "if any garda said anything to him he would bate the ****e out of him" bit, he hasn't got a hope in hell of getting away with something like that.
+ the gardai haven't got a problem with giving him exactly the same treatment ( hit them and they will more than likely hit you right back just as hard if not harder )

tell him to grow up and act his age he can plant his flag in the mud all he likes but at the end of the day hes still wrong to think **** like that wouldn't come back on him.

OS119

OP, it may also be worth considering whether you might face problems when this idiot collides with the less than understanding brick wall that is the legal system.

driving without a licence and insurance is a criminal offence, if you get into a vehicle knowing that the driver has no licence or insurance you may also be committing an offence (certainly you would be doing so in the UK). its also possible that you may be committing an offence by not reporting it...

in the normal course of events these are relatively small offences that would be unlikely to be prosecuted - however in the event that someone with the driving 'skills' of your father kills someone, its unlikely that the Gardai and prosecuting authorities are going to be overly sympathetic, and will be looking to get as many, and as serious, convictions as possible.

you also need to consider the moral implications - you father can't drive for shit, and the incidents you describe cause very serious accidents. he will probably kill someone - and unfortunately it probably won't be himself. you need to think very carefully about whether you want the death of an entirely innocent person on your hands - because it will be as much your responsibility as his.

LegacyUser

TBH if that was my father I would probably hind the car keys on him and pay for him to do lessons while getting the hole support of your family. Like the above poster said I would tell him that you and the rest of the family could get into trouble for not reporting it and he might have second thoughts on driving if he knows that you can get into trouble.

BTW a lot of my friends parents never sat a test but yet hold a full licence with some of them being allowed to drive a articulated truck. They are terrible drives as well.

I had a different problem getting my licence, my dad wouldnt allow me to take lessons as his brother was killed in a car accent so I had to do the hole thing behind his back. I got my licence in the space of 4 months there is no reason why your dad cant do the same.

The_Conductor

A U-Turn on a Motorway? He is damn lucky he didn't cause a multivehicle pileup, and given motorway speeds, almost certain fatalities. There are also lower speed limits on motorways- aka it is illegal to drive at 50kmph or lower on a motorway........

Someone really needs to have a chat with your dad- if he doesn't kill or seriously injure himself, he certainly will others......

Whispered

My husband and I met a driver coming the wrong way on the M7 once, we saw cars on the other side of the motorway flashing and beeping and the cars in front of us swerving out of their lane. Next thing a pair of headlights right in front of us, we met him on a bend. It happened so quickly, we swerved without my husband having a chance to properly check his mirror, very nearly swiping the person behind us, who luckily had the presence of mind to hit the breaks when he realised we had no choice but to swerve. It took me a long time to drive on a motorway again and even now months later I panic when driving it at night and I see headlights come towards me. We were inches from having a head on collision at 120km and had it not been for the quick thinking of the drivers in the other lanes, many people could have been killed. I can say if I knew who the stupid ass who did it was, I'd happily report him.

If your father was a young man or woman, people would be telling you that he or she is the scum of the earth, driving without insurance. What if he seriously injured someone whose medical expenses depended on his insurance?? If/when he does cause an accident, does he realise that without insurance he could loose his whole livelyhood, leaving you, your mother and your other siblings potentially homeless.

I'm not going to suggest you report him, because it would probably impossible to do it to your father. But you need to keep in mind that because you are aware of just how dangerous he is, you will absolutely feel some responsibility if and when he kills himself or someone else.

Nothing annoys me more than road users who put other people at risk. :mad:

mikemac

I remember this thread from this summer, you got loads of replies in motors forum

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055963651

I'm not trying to be unhelpful OP but did you not find any advice there?
As your post is word for word exactly the same

lonelyguy

It is just hard to no what to do with him. He does have insurance tough. I was just looking for replies from here because the one's I got there alot of them just said I was a troll!
Thanks for the replies I got!!

Contessa Raven

lonelyguy wrote: »

He does have insurance tough.

Am I wrong or don't you need to be in possession of a licence to get insurance?

AFAIK a provisional licence only lasts for two years so if his provisional is expired then I'm pretty sure his insurance has too.

I'm sure someone has already tried to talk to him about his irresponsibility but perhaps you could look up the penalties for such offenses and then explain to him why you are worried. Also, look up the penalty for attacking a garda. Maybe if he realises he won't get away with such things he'll take more notice.

Tbh, I am totally shocked that a man in his 60's could be so irresponsible and thoughtless towards others.

Kosseegan

Contessa Raven wrote: »

Am I wrong or don't you need to be in possession of a licence to get insurance?

You are wrong. There is 3rd party cover even if the driver does not have a licence for the vehicle. The o/p should simply refuse to get into a car driven by his father until the father get a driving licence.

dudara

OP - did you post here before? I recollect a very similar post a while back.

Anyway, my advice is the same - I would report him to the Gardai. Let them know that he doesn't have a licence. His attitude is a bit scary (but not uncommon in the older generation). Plus, without a licence, the whole issue of insurance and legality to drive becomes very hazy.

Mark27

If you rat your father up, he will be put off the road, get at least a 600e fine and have big problems getting insured again. Maybe this licence is important because he works as a father and needs to be able to travel around the countryside.

If you do go running off with tales to the cops, they will problady ask you for your name. If you dont give it they problady wont even investigate the matter. If you do give it and your dad finds out, id say you really will end up being a lonely guy!!

Be a man and talk to him <snip>

Cuddlesworth

Mark27 wrote: »

If you rat your father up, he will be put off the road, get at least a 600e fine and have big problems getting insured again. Maybe this licence is important because he works as a father and needs to be able to travel around the countryside.

If you do go running off with tales to the cops, they will problady ask you for your name. If you dont give it they problady wont even investigate the matter. If you do give it and your dad finds out, id say you really will end up being a lonely guy!!

Be a man and talk to him<snip>

Sounds like he isn't the only one driving without a license.

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mgmt

Report him to the gardai.

lau1247

OP need to convince his father to get proper lessons and then apply for test for the licence. His father may also need to keep an open mind to learning.

Reporting it while will probably give your father a wake up call, it is however no good for your family in the long run.

he may get penalties, insurance will be an issue in the future. when you say he is on social welfare, this will only create more problem for him financially. so wouldn't it be more beneficial for you to try to convince him that it is cheaper and the best resolution to this matter?