If you fail a module in sem 1 arts

Zephyr91 · 17-12-2010 11:44am #1

And take on an extra module in semester 2 (I'm aware that it would have to be paid for) does that balance things out?

WeeBushy · 17-12-2010 11:52am

Yes...i think so. It's essentially swapping your failed course for a new one which is allowed. As long as the course you failed isn't core, that is.

If you pass everything you would finish the year with 60 credit.

Maybe check with other people here, and at the student desk, to be sure but I think thats ok.

Zephyr91 · 17-12-2010 11:56am

Yeah those were my thoughts too, thanks. The module I want to substitute is just an elective.

zoool · 17-12-2010 12:06pm

It depends on the module you're taking, some of them only offer a resit as opposed to a substitution.
You should contact your programme office to make sure before you register to anything.

WeeBushy · 17-12-2010 12:27pm

zoool wrote: »

It depends on the module you're taking, some of them only offer a resit as opposed to a substitution.
You should contact your programme office to make sure before you register to anything.

Even if a resit or repeat is offered, if it is an elective it can be substituted for another module.

Can I substitute an elective module that I failed in semester 2 2009/10?

Yes, you are permitted to do this. If you have an E or F grade in your elective, you will have been automatically registered to a resit/repeat (if offered). You may wish to drop that elective module resit/repeat online and replace it with a different elective module this academic year (2010/11). You drop the semester 1 elective module resit/repeat in the Repeats/Subs/Transf Tab. You may then go to the Electives Tab and register to a new elective module. Please ensure to assign a stage to this elective module - the same stage as the elective module that you have dropped.

This link is a year old, can't find a more up to date one, but its the same idea.

http://www.ucd.ie/students/resits_repeats/

zoool · 17-12-2010 12:44pm

Substitutions as far as I'm aware will also cost the amount of a module. Not the €230 repeat/resit fee. So just be aware of the expense of it before you change anything.

WeeBushy · 17-12-2010 12:55pm

You're right, a good bit more actually.

http://www.ucd.ie/registry/adminservices/fees/fees_registration.htm#4

Zephyr91 · 17-12-2010 12:57pm

344 euro for an Arts one...ouch that is high.

Zephyr91 · 17-12-2010 1:01pm

While I'm here - when do the results come out?

Fluorescence · 17-12-2010 2:05pm

We get provisional results in January about a week before we go back. The official ones are released a month or so later.

Zephyr91 · 17-12-2010 2:12pm

Do we get the provisional ones through ucd mail? And what's the difference between them?

Fluorescence · 17-12-2010 2:13pm

No, you log onto SIS web and click on exam results. The provisional ones are subject to change, though they rarely do. Also, if you have an issue with them, that is the time to email you lecturer or tutor to explain why you feel it's wrong.

Zephyr91 · 17-12-2010 2:18pm

Ah I see. Thanks fluorescence.

WeeBushy · 17-12-2010 2:37pm

Exact dates are here

Provisional results (incl provisional Semester and Stage GPA) no later than 5.00pm Wednesday, 19 January 2011
Final results (incl Semester, Stage and Degree GPA) no later than 5.00pm Thursday, 10 February 2011.

http://www.ucd.ie/registry/assessment/info_stu.htm

Killer Pigeon · 18-12-2010 9:58pm

If you fail a semester 1 exam in your first year of an arts degree, then you're automatically seen as being a member of the 'Wasters Class'. Unless of you have a very good reason for failing or the subject you took as exceptionally hard, like maths. Look forward to spending the need 10 years trying to complete your BA or at the very most getting a 'just about' pass degree after 4 years (yes, 4 years - you will repeat a year).

parker kent · 18-12-2010 10:04pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

If you fail a semester 1 exam in your first year of an arts degree, then you're automatically seen as being a member of the 'Wasters Class'. Unless of you have a very good reason for failing or the subject you took as exceptionally hard, like maths. Look forward to spending the need 10 years trying to complete your BA or at the very most getting a 'just about' pass degree after 4 years (yes, 4 years - you will repeat a year).

Did you fail English? :pac:

Killer Pigeon · 18-12-2010 10:14pm

parker kent wrote: »

Did you fail English? :pac:

Did you fail comprehension?

parker kent · 18-12-2010 10:25pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Did you fail comprehension?

I think you did as I was making a not-so sly reference to your typos and/or poor grammar. Which made your post somewhat ironic.

WeeBushy · 18-12-2010 10:45pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

If you fail a semester 1 exam in your first year of an arts degree, then you're automatically seen as being a member of the 'Wasters Class'. Unless of you have a very good reason for failing or the subject you took as exceptionally hard, like maths. Look forward to spending the need 10 years trying to complete your BA or at the very most getting a 'just about' pass degree after 4 years (yes, 4 years - you will repeat a year).

Where did you get that nonsense from? Two good friends of mine took the piss in first year, one failed 1 module and the other failed 3. They went on to get a 1st and a 2.1 respectively.

I'm not condoning their behaviour but what you've said is just plain wrong. Failing an exam in first year and doing well are not mutually exclusive.

Zephyr91 · 18-12-2010 10:54pm

Well said WeeBushy.

Killer Pigeon, the thread was asking a specific question - not asking for a bull****ty opinion. Thanks though.

Killer Pigeon · 18-12-2010 10:57pm

WeeBushy wrote: »

Where did you get that nonsense from? Two good friends of mine took the piss in first year, one failed 1 module and the other failed 3. They went on to get a 1st and a 2.1 respectively.

I'm not condoning their behaviour but what you've said is just plain wrong. Failing an exam in first year and doing well are not mutually exclusive.

Your ... friends ... were just a statistical anomaly.

Killer Pigeon · 18-12-2010 10:59pm

Zephyr91 wrote: »

Well said WeeBushy.

Killer Pigeon, the thread was asking a specific question - not asking for a bull****ty opinion. Thanks though.

You'll deny reality now ...

WeeBushy · 18-12-2010 11:06pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Your ... friends ... were just a statistical anomaly.

That's right, insinuate I'm making up friends. Great argument.

For you to be correct they must look at past results when marking your assignments and exams. They don't. Everything is marked in isolation, and anonymity (exams anyway, not sure about essays - do you put names on them?).

Pray tell, what are you basing your argument on?

parker kent · 18-12-2010 11:19pm

I'll make a more stellar contribution than my last post. Whilst it is obvious that some students that fail subjects in first year will continue to struggle throughout college, it is just wrong to suggest that the majority of students who fail will continue in that vein (or that they will need at least 4 years etc).

KP is not taking into account several possibilities. One is that it is their first ever semester in college, it is not beyond the realms of possibilities that grades can suffer in these months. Students can be pre-occupied with living on their own for the first time, overwhelmed by college, struggling with a new learning style etc. Or they could have picked an elective that does not suit their ability. Or they could have arsed around for a few months and are now about to get the kick up the backside that will make them work harder in future.

There will always be those who continue to fail, but it is wrong to suggest a majority will fail continuously. There is a very good reason why First year results are not taken into account in a final GPA for a degree. Basically first year can be an unusual or difficult time for students. By second year, this should not be the case. Saying anything else (especially as flame worthy as the arts student reference) is just plain wrong.

Killer Pigeon · 18-12-2010 11:22pm

WeeBushy wrote: »

That's right, insinuate I'm making up friends. Great argument.

That wasn't my argument. There will inevitably exist statistical anomalies.

WeeBushy wrote: »

For you to be correct they must look at past results when marking your assignments and exams. They don't. Everything is marked in isolation, and anonymity (exams anyway, not sure about essays - do you put names on them?).

Pray tell, what are you basing your argument on?

It's simple really, a majority of people (notice here how I'm not saying all people) who fail a large portion of exams would be most likely to be in the lower end of the class. It'd be very unlikely, for instance, for there to be a greater number of people who get all A's in 1st year to suddenly drop to a 2:2 than it would be for a lesser number of people to suddenly jump up from a 2:2 to a 1:1 ... if you get what I'm saying. A majority of people who get low marks are probably the people who are the laziest or the least able in a class. Just common sense really.

Killer Pigeon · 18-12-2010 11:26pm

parker kent wrote: »

I'll make a more stellar contribution that my last post.

Little grammatical error 'round 'bout there.

parker kent wrote: »

Whilst it is obvious that some students that fail subjects in first year will continue to struggle throughout college, it is just wrong to suggest that the majority of students who fail will continue in that vein (or that they will need at least 4 years etc).

KP is not taking into account several possibilities. One is that it is their first ever semester in college, it is not beyond the realms of possibilities that grades can suffer in these months. Students can be pre-occupied with living on their own for the first time, overwhelmed by college, struggling with a new learning style etc. Or they could have picked an elective that does not suit their ability. Or they could have arsed around for a few months and are now about to get the kick up the backside that will make them work harder in future.

There will always be those who continue to fail, but it is wrong to suggest a majority will fail continuously. There is a very good reason why First year results are not taken into account in a final GPA for a degree. Basically first year can be an unusual or difficult time for students. By second year, this should not be the case. Saying anything else (especially as flame worthy as the arts student reference) is just plain wrong.

Who are the students least likely to have moral and drive to finish their degree or strive for high marks?

Also arts students have more time on their hand. So there's no excuse why they can't put in extra hours of study or complete assignments to a higher standard than those with less spare hours.

parker kent · 18-12-2010 11:27pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Little grammatical error 'round 'bout there.

I had already edited my post, one stray letter is not the same as a poorly written post.

parker kent · 18-12-2010 11:28pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Who are the students least likely to have moral and drive to finish their degree or strive for high marks?

What?

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Also arts students have more time on their hand. So there's no excuse why they can't put in extra hours of study or complete assignments to a higher standard than those with less spare hours.

An arts degree is completely different in pedagogical terms. Comparing it to another degree is like comparing horses and sheep. They are two different things with different learning and assessment methods. It is not as simple as saying "oh they have loads of free time". The mistake a lot of students make is to think that they have free time, when in fact they have time to spend reading. I would agree that many Arts students make that mistake.

WeeBushy · 18-12-2010 11:30pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

It's simple really, a majority of people (notice here how I'm not saying all people) who fail a large portion of exams would be most likely to be in the lower end of the class. It'd be very unlikely, for instance, for there to be a greater number of people who get all A's in 1st year to suddenly drop to a 2:2 than it would be for a lesser number of people to suddenly jump up from a 2:2 to a 1:1 ... if you get what I'm saying. A majority of people who get low marks are probably the people who are the laziest or the least able in a class. Just common sense really.

You said an exam in first year in your first post, not a large portion. Completely different argument.

Killer Pigeon · 18-12-2010 11:30pm

parker kent wrote: »

What?

It should be clear ... obviously it's the people who keep on failing exams who have little drive to complete their academic work to high standards.

Killer Pigeon · 18-12-2010 11:31pm

WeeBushy wrote: »

You said an exam in first year in your first post, not a large portion. Completely different argument.

Well you're more likely be in the bottom 3rd of the class or at most the bottom 40% if you failed one exam.

parker kent · 18-12-2010 11:37pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

It should be clear ... obviously it's the people who keep on failing exams who have little drive to complete their academic work to high standards.

Well obviously. But we are not talking about continuous failure and your question was not exactly clear.

WeeBushy · 18-12-2010 11:38pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Well you're more likely be in the bottom 3rd of the class or at most the bottom 40% if you failed one exam.

Bottom % in that module or overall on the year? And what are you basing that figure on? Don't claim common sense because parker kent gives very good reasons why anyone is capable of a one off failed module (post #24).

If you fail 6 modules, yes you probably will struggle. If you fail one in first year, absolutely no indication of future success in the degree.

Killer Pigeon · 18-12-2010 11:40pm

parker kent wrote: »

Well obviously. But we are not talking about continuous failure and your question was not exactly clear.

The people who fail 1st year exams are the people most likely to fail exams continuously. Obviously it doesn't mean they are but it means that they are more likely than most other students in the class.

Killer Pigeon · 18-12-2010 11:43pm

WeeBushy wrote: »

Bottom % in that module or overall on the year? And what are you basing that figure on? Don't claim common sense because parker kent gives very good reasons why anyone is capable of a one off failed module (post #24).

If you fail 6 modules, yes you probably will struggle. If you fail one in first year, absolutely no indication of future success in the degree.

I'm sure there's some normalised distributing curve available somewhere that can prove me right but for now, I retire. Good night!

WeeBushy · 18-12-2010 11:43pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

The people who fail 1st year exams are the people most likely to fail exams continuously. Obviously it doesn't mean they are but it means that they are more likely than most other students in the class.

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

If you fail a semester 1 exam in your first year of an arts degree, then you're automatically seen as being a member of the 'Wasters Class'. Unless of you have a very good reason for failing or the subject you took as exceptionally hard, like maths. Look forward to spending the need 10 years trying to complete your BA or at the very most getting a 'just about' pass degree after 4 years (yes, 4 years - you will repeat a year).

You position has changed quite a bit since your first post.

Blatter · 18-12-2010 11:44pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

If you fail a semester 1 exam in your first year of an arts degree, then you're automatically seen as being a member of the 'Wasters Class'. Unless of you have a very good reason for failing or the subject you took as exceptionally hard, like maths. Look forward to spending the need 10 years trying to complete your BA or at the very most getting a 'just about' pass degree after 4 years (yes, 4 years - you will repeat a year).

You're tune has changed alot since this post.

parker kent · 18-12-2010 11:46pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

I'm sure there's some normalised distributing curve available somewhere that can prove me right but for now, I retire. Good night!

You are arguing a different point now though! You originally said anybody who fails an exam becomes a member of the wasters club. That is very, very different to people who fail several exams.

But this is not exactly the most important thing in the world and a sign that it is a snowy Saturday night :pac:

WeeBushy · 18-12-2010 11:50pm

You're right the snow is bringing out the worst in us.

There is no need for banal arguments, exams are almost over and leinster won this evening

Fluorescence · 19-12-2010 2:00pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Your ... friends ... were just a statistical anomaly.

Pfft. First year doesn't count towards your degree. It's only your 2nd and 3rd year results that count for a BA. Take your bs somewhere else, ta.

19-12-2010 9:49pm

344 is quite a lot but then again it's only 114 more than the summer repeat. If I end up failing quantative economics I'm going to seriously consider dropping it for something else.

Liam O · 20-12-2010 8:49am

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

344 is quite a lot but then again it's only 114 more than the summer repeat. If I end up failing quantative economics I'm going to seriously consider dropping it for something else.

I'll probably be joining you tbh, my own fault tbh, I would have scraped a pass with a bit more study and actually going to lectures (I amaze even myself with my laziness sometimes:rolleyes:)

though I heard about some sort of compensation thing from a 2nd year, can anyone explain this?

WeeBushy · 20-12-2010 9:19am

Liam O wrote: »

though I heard about some sort of compensation thing from a 2nd year, can anyone explain this?

http://www.ucd.ie/registry/assessment/student_info/modulargradesexplained.pdf

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martineatworld · 20-12-2010 10:29am

Now for a variation on the OP's original question, trying to bring this back on topic!

If you fail an optional module, can you substitute another option in and remove the grade cap that would be enforced if you repeated?

Can you do an extra elective in 3rd year and assign it to Stage 2 to take the place of a 2nd year elective that you did poorly in, using it instead of the original elective to give a new Stage 2 GPA which would be counted towards a degree, or is it that once you have enough credits for a year, that stages GPA is finalised and cannot be altered?

If you fail a module in sem 1 arts

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