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leg wax

i went to look at a part bull in wexford today after seeing him on done deal ,the chap advertised him at 1450 euros which i can understand when i got into the yard he wanted 1350 euros and no less i can still understand, now the bull as far as i was concerned was still overpriced , but unless he got what he wanted he was putting him into the factory now i still understand, when i asked him what will he make in the factory he said he should make1100 euro in a couple of weeks after feeding.now i offered him 1200 euro now for the bull he would not sell him for breedingat that price this is not the first time i have come across this can someone on here please help me to understand this logic.

vanderbadger

ya saw that bull the other evening, hard one to figure all right

Muckit

Simple. Pride. Sometimes things don't always boil down to money

JohnBoy

Simple, the world is full of morons.


Sadly I think a lot of them own wellies.

Bodacious

leg wax wrote: »

i went to look at a part bull in wexford today after seeing him on done deal ,the chap advertised him at 1450 euros which i can understand when i got into the yard he wanted 1350 euros and no less i can still understand, now the bull as far as i was concerned was still overpriced , but unless he got what he wanted he was putting him into the factory now i still understand, when i asked him what will he make in the factory he said he should make1100 euro in a couple of weeks after feeding.now i offered him 1200 euro now for the bull he would not sell him for breedingat that price this is not the first time i have come across this can someone on here please help me to understand this logic.

Hi leg wax,

Sorry to stray a bit but i really like the parthenais breed also but can you tell me or am imagining it but did i read some where that the colouring of offspring from black lim cows X Part is unfavourable?!!

towzer2010

Hi Leg Wax

Did he even give you a reason for his bizarre reasoning?

Reminds me of a scrap dealer from this area. If he quoted a price and you made him an offer for less he'd increase his price and keep doing it if you tried to bargain.

Mad people.

Nutcase

leg wax wrote: »

i went to look at a part bull in wexford today after seeing him on done deal ,the chap advertised him at 1450 euros which i can understand when i got into the yard he wanted 1350 euros and no less i can still understand, now the bull as far as i was concerned was still overpriced , but unless he got what he wanted he was putting him into the factory now i still understand, when i asked him what will he make in the factory he said he should make1100 euro in a couple of weeks after feeding.now i offered him 1200 euro now for the bull he would not sell him for breedingat that price this is not the first time i have come across this can someone on here please help me to understand this logic.

If he was only going to make 1100 in the factory after feeding which will take more away from his 1100 i dont know why he wouldnt take the 1200 especially for such an old bull like how many more years will he last??

Muckit

If you go to any charolais sale the minimum bid is €1500 legwax. This is to ensure that the breeder covers his costs, commercial lads don't realise the amount of meal it takes to breed a bull. If you don't have 'standards', then everything falls apart.

Sure if you bought that bull for €1200, weren't you going to tell the neighbour that all you've to do is name your price to that breeder and he would bow before you. Thank God it doesn't work that way.

That's why our commercial beef sector is going down the swally, farmers will accept ANY price from the factories for their stock.

Any bull under €1500 isn't worth breeding from, you'd be better off (and cheaper) not squeezing the strongest of your own weanlings and letting him run with the cows.

irishh_bob

leg wax wrote: »

i went to look at a part bull in wexford today after seeing him on done deal ,the chap advertised him at 1450 euros which i can understand when i got into the yard he wanted 1350 euros and no less i can still understand, now the bull as far as i was concerned was still overpriced , but unless he got what he wanted he was putting him into the factory now i still understand, when i asked him what will he make in the factory he said he should make1100 euro in a couple of weeks after feeding.now i offered him 1200 euro now for the bull he would not sell him for breedingat that price this is not the first time i have come across this can someone on here please help me to understand this logic.

pig headedness , pride and the mistake of making business personal , i.e , selling him below asking price is an insult

whelan1

Muckit wrote: »

If you go to any charolais sale the minimum bid is €1500 legwax. This is to ensure that the breeder covers his costs, commercial lads don't realise the amount of meal it takes to breed a bull. If you don't have 'standards', then everything falls apart.

Sure if you bought that bull for €1200, weren't you going to tell the neighbour that all you've to do is name your price to that breeder and he would bow before you. Thank God it doesn't work that way.

That's why our commercial beef sector is going down the swally, farmers will accept ANY price from the factories for their stock.

Any bull under €1500 isn't worth breeding from, you'd be better off (and cheaper) not squeezing the strongest of your own weanlings and letting him run with the cows.

i dont agree that any bull under 1500 euro is not worth breeding from , alot of stock that are sold off farm go for around that amount and alot of them are top quality , maybe you have money to burn , i dont!

leg wax

Muckit wrote: »

If you go to any charolais sale the minimum bid is €1500 legwax. This is to ensure that the breeder covers his costs, commercial lads don't realise the amount of meal it takes to breed a bull. If you don't have 'standards', then everything falls apart.

Sure if you bought that bull for €1200, weren't you going to tell the neighbour that all you've to do is name your price to that breeder and he would bow before you. Thank God it doesn't work that way.

That's why our commercial beef sector is going down the swally, farmers will accept ANY price from the factories for their stock.

Any bull under €1500 isn't worth breeding from, you'd be better off (and cheaper) not squeezing the strongest of your own weanlings and letting him run with the cows.

just to put you right:rolleyes: the owner was not a breeder, the bull was 7 years old, he tried him on done deal for a go before putting him into the factory.

leg wax

Bodacious wrote: »

Hi leg wax,

Sorry to stray a bit but i really like the parthenais breed also but can you tell me or am imagining it but did i read some where that the colouring of offspring from black lim cows X Part is unfavourable?!!

i only have 1 yearling heifer off a black lim cow and she came black with a lot of hair but the farm that iwas on in wexford his heifers were black and some were red with black/brown eyes and muzzels.they did not look great, but he had calfs a week old out side under black lims and they were the real deal nice colour and shape, i think that the parts change colour as they get older like the pieds.

Bodacious

leg wax wrote: »

i only have 1 yearling heifer off a black lim cow and she came black with a lot of hair but the farm that iwas on in wexford his heifers were black and some were red with black/brown eyes and muzzels.they did not look great, but he had calfs a week old out side under black lims and they were the real deal nice colour and shape, i think that the parts change colour as they get older like the pieds.

many thanks for that,

Might try that Sansonnet this time round

Muckit

whelan1 wrote: »

i dont agree that any bull under 1500 euro is not worth breeding from , alot of stock that are sold off farm go for around that amount and alot of them are top quality , maybe you have money to burn , i dont!

Your dead right whelan1. Let me be more specific any 'BEEF' bull

My point was why would a breeder spend time and money on a bull, just to selll him for little more than beef price, that's madness to me.

Now that legwax has told us the whole story, ie the bull being 7 years old and the seller not being a breeder, rather selling a 'factory' bull, it's not the seller I'd question at all, but any perspective buyer! In my opinion he did you a favour:D

tismesoitis

we would always look for at least a couple of hundred euro above factory price for any breeding bull. the reason for this is we have to stand over that bull if for one reason or the other he fails to work for his new owner. had this a few years back we sold a 5 year old lim bull that had bred very well for us reason forthe sale was his heifers were coming into d herd. at the time of sale he had'nt been used for about 6 or 8 months(we try to AI mostly)sold him in good condition. this fella rang us back about 2 months later bull was not working (seemed a very sound fella had no reason to question him) droped the bull back and collected refund but bull had lost at least 70-80 kgs!!! no way would we dream of selling anyway close to factory price not worth the hassle!

leg wax

Muckit wrote: »

Your dead right whelan1. Let me be more specific any 'BEEF' bull

My point was why would a breeder spend time and money on a bull, just to selll him for little more than beef price, that's madness to me.

Now that legwax has told us the whole story, ie the bull being 7 years old and the seller not being a breeder, rather selling a 'factory' bull, it's not the seller I'd question at all, but any perspective buyer! In my opinion he did you a favour:D

why did he do me a favour, did you see the bull or do you know something, do you know what i was going to do with the bull.

Muckit

leg wax wrote: »

why did he do me a favour, did you see the bull or do you know something, do you know what i was going to do with the bull.

Who buys a seven year old bull for breeding? You are only bringing trouble on yourself. His feet have prob seen better days and old bulls have potential to get cross . My opinion would be to buy a young bull if you are going to buy at all.

leg wax

Muckit wrote: »

Who buys a seven year old bull for breeding? You are only bringing trouble on yourself. His feet have prob seen better days and old bulls have potential to get cross . My opinion would be to buy a young bull if you are going to buy at all.

who said anything about breeding , you jump to a lot of conclusions about me:P.

pakalasa

I was wondering what you were up to, Leg Wax. Seeing that you do all your own Ai, if I remember right.

LostCovey

leg wax wrote: »

who said anything about breeding , you jump to a lot of conclusions about me:P.

er, LegWax, you were the very one who implied you were buying this bull for breeding actually.

leg wax wrote: »

now i offered him 1200 euro now for the bull he would not sell him for breedingat that price this is not the first time i have come across this can someone on here please help me to understand this logic.

The gist of this thread appears to be that we should try to guess why someone wouldn't sell a bull to you for €350 less than they advertised it for.

God, this is tough. People are just so mysterious sometimes.

I give up, what's the answer?

LostCovey

BeeDI

pakalasa wrote: »

I was wondering what you were up to, Leg Wax. Seeing that you do all your own Ai, if I remember right.

Maybe LW's success rate this year, at the aoul AI, was similar to yer man Oliver McDonnel's two bright sons:p Bad semen of course:D Nothing to do with the man behind the glove:D

leg wax

LostCovey wrote: »

er, LegWax, you were the very one who implied you were buying this bull for breeding actually.



The gist of this thread appears to be that we should try to guess why someone wouldn't sell a bull to you for €350 less than they advertised it for.

God, this is tough. People are just so mysterious sometimes.

I give up, what's the answer?

LostCovey

mr lost he like everone presumed i wanted the bull for breeding.i never stated that i wanted him for breeding.he said he would not sell him for breeding at 1200 but would put him in the factory for 1100.:p

LostCovey

leg wax wrote: »

mr lost he like everone presumed i wanted the bull for breeding.i never stated that i wanted him for breeding.he said he would not sell him for breeding at 1200 but would put him in the factory for 1100.:p

Mr Leg,

He may have found you as hard to understand as the rest of us.

This may have to remain as one of life's deep mysteries.

LostCovey

Muckit

OK. This thread was weird to start with, but is getting even weirder!:rolleyes:

You must fancy yourself LW as a bit of a factory agent or a dealer now so, being able to do get better factory prices than other lads

leg wax

Muckit wrote: »

OK. This thread was weird to start with, but is getting even weirder!:rolleyes:

You must fancy yourself LW as a bit of a factory agent or a dealer now so, being able to do get better factory prices than other lads

you got it at last i was buying him to feed and then sell him with some cows hopefully for export hes more valuable going out of this country on the hoof.

Upstream

Why didn't he sell? Maybe he saw the recent (very welcome) rise in beef prices and though if he didn't get his asking price now he could hold on and get more later.

Edit, although the bull had a lot to do to make up the difference

leg wax

Upstream wrote: »

Why didn't he sell? Maybe he saw the recent (very welcome) rise in beef prices and though if he didn't get his asking price now he could hold on and get more later.

i dont know why he did not sell him and this was my point of the thread he was prepaired to sell at a loss to the factory, its no one elses business what i was going to do with him,we are all aloud to buy and sell stock at a profit hopefully arent we.

LostCovey

leg wax wrote: »

we are all aloud to buy and sell stock at a profit hopefully arent we.

Yes.

And sellers can charge whatever they want, to whoever they want.

He might not have liked the cut of your jib.

It' a free country (almost).

LC

leg wax

LostCovey wrote: »

Yes.

And sellers can charge whatever they want, to whoever they want.

He might not have liked the cut of your jib.

It' a free country (almost).

LC

we had a lot incommon ,he was after buying a blue bull and so on,my jib must have been alright because we had a mug of coffee and talked for nearly 2 hrs i was late back to collect the kids from school:eek:

whelan1

leg wax wrote: »

we had a lot incommon ,he was after buying a blue bull and so on,my jib must have been alright because we had a mug of coffee and talked for nearly 2 hrs i was late back to collect the kids from school:eek:

and they say women are bad for talking:D

ellewood

leg wax wrote: »

we had a lot incommon ,he was after buying a blue bull and so on,my jib must have been alright because we had a mug of coffee and talked for nearly 2 hrs i was late back to collect the kids from school:eek:

did you not tell him he would have been much better off buying a charolais bull instead of 1 them ould blues!!!