Inter-Club Competitions - How does your club do it?

Jasonw

Not wanting to hijack the interclub competition question thread, it did get me thinking "How do other clubs pick their interclub team?"

It's fairly straightforward for junior cup and other singles, generally the lowest elegible handicaps, inform players etc. Mainly my question is about Bruen and Purcell teams.

Most clubs have a manager/assistant manager who choose the team on their own criteria/preduces/politics etc. But do any clubs out there do it differently? I'm thinking order of merit, selection panels and so on.

L.O.F.T

Our club for each team will arrange for practice evenings and call upon anyone who may be eligible for a particular team. During those practice evenings manager and asst manager along with other team assistants will identify either players playing well together or players who are currently in consistent form. From these evenings players are asked to come to further practice evenings where gradually teams are cut to size. One of the most interesting findings during these selection / practice evenings is certain players dont play well together or that whilst good players play well during weekly weekend competitions they are very poor under cup game pressure or when playing at different locations. Previous pairings that worked are always to the fore but those who played last year are never guaranteed a place on this years panels.

rafared

L.O.F.T wrote: »

Our club for each team will arrange for practice evenings and call upon anyone who may be eligible for a particular team. During those practice evenings manager and asst manager along with other team assistants will identify either players playing well together or players who are currently in consistent form. From these evenings players are asked to come to further practice evenings where gradually teams are cut to size. One of the most interesting findings during these selection / practice evenings is certain players dont play well together or that whilst good players play well during weekly weekend competitions they are very poor under cup game pressure or when playing at different locations.

Same as ours more or less except then they pick their mates for the free golf and meals at the clubs expense.

Sandwlch

In our club, the Captain for that year selects the captains of each of the teams. Main qualification is to be one of his friends or one of those helped elect him as Captain. The captains then select the teams from a pretty small grouping of other captains and fellow close friends. The longer the service on a particular team the greater your chance of remaining automatically selected. It can help to keep an eye on your handicap to ensure that you remain in the range necessary to ensure selection. Annual review can help on this though if you get into difficulty. Current form or previous record in interclub matches are not really relevant.

Once you are on the team you get a free outing to each opposition club as the match come up to practice. Note that in most cases, you do have to pay for your own food and drink on these days.

On match day outings, there is no need to put your hand in your pocket. The rest of the club, who probably dont even know they are doing it, will have paid into a fund to save you having to buy you own food and generous drink.

It works well. We havent won anything of note for years, but the players seem to approve of the system and grudgingly turn out every year to 'do their bit' for the club again.

Screaminmidget

slightly off topic, but can a junior (u18) play on a mens team??

thegen

Our teams are selected on different criteria. Every manager has a different way of selecting his team.

I managed the Jimmy Bruen last year and this was my selection process.

Invited everyone in the h/c range of 6-12 to put name forward for selection.
Brought everyone who put their name down to club to play a foursome round with a suitable partner eg: 6+11, 9+8 etc. After this narrowed panel down to ten pairings.

Sent pairings to play the course where qualification would take place. Selected the best five score returned and two sub pairings. Very close to qualifying only to drop a host of shots on final four holes by all pairings, torrential rain caused this. Qualifier came from morning start.

Not sure if it was a good or bad process. Did not hear any negative talk from people who had their names on original list. But then again, as manager I probably wouldn't.

Jasonw

Screaminmidget wrote: »

slightly off topic, but can a junior (u18) play on a mens team??

I must read the most up to date rules but AFAIK that would be yes for Bruen and no for Purcell.

Just read the rules and the above is correct. Also no age limit for junior cup.

Jasonw

thegen wrote: »

Our teams are selected on different criteria. Every manager has a different way of selecting his team.

I managed the Jimmy Bruen last year and this was my selection process.

Invited everyone in the h/c range of 6-12 to put name forward for selection.
Brought everyone who put their name down to club to play a foursome round with a suitable partner eg: 6+11, 9+8 etc. After this narrowed panel down to ten pairings.

Sent pairings to play the course where qualification would take place. Selected the best five score returned and two sub pairings. Very close to qualifying only to drop a host of shots on final four holes by all pairings, torrential rain caused this. Qualifier came from morning start.

Not sure if it was a good or bad process. Did not hear any negative talk from people who had their names on original list. But then again, as manager I probably wouldn't.

Did you get asked again?

thegen

Jasonw wrote: »

Did you get asked again?

Think so. I have received a mail from team coordinator requesting our thoughts on last years teams etc. Will wait for official invitation before a definite yes.

Whyner

thegen wrote: »

Think so. I have received a mail from team coordinator requesting our thoughts on last years teams etc. Will wait for official invitation before a definite yes.

I've always considered you a sound bloke, just saying

thegen

Lads,

Looking at the "draws" for the Jimmy Bruen and Junior Cups in Leinster. Is there really a draw or do they just put out the same groups every year? It seems to be that way or am I wrong?

twounderpar

In my club you put your name on the list on the noticeboard and the manager picks the team from that list.No trials! I played one year and only met my partner on the first tee.We lost on the 14th.Have heard horror stories about how much it costs clubs whose teams have a successful run in a few competitions.

PhilipMarlowe

thegen wrote: »

Lads,

Looking at the "draws" for the Jimmy Bruen and Junior Cups in Leinster. Is there really a draw or do they just put out the same groups every year? It seems to be that way or am I wrong?

For us outside the pale it's generally kept relatively local so that it minimises travel so you'll usually be qualifying (or not!) among the same group of local-ish clubs at a venue you have a fair chance of being familiar with.

G1032

thegen wrote: »

Lads,

Looking at the "draws" for the Jimmy Bruen and Junior Cups in Leinster. Is there really a draw or do they just put out the same groups every year? It seems to be that way or am I wrong?

Don't know about Leinster, but I would assume it's the same as Connacht............. those clubs nearest the host club will play the at the earliest time and those farthest away will be last out. This helps with travel to and from the host venue.
So it's not an open draw as such. Neighbouring clubs will very often find themselves paired with each other. It's the fairest way to do it.

thegen

Interclub season kicking off soon.

What teams are people hoping to be involved with? Have we any Managers of teams on here?

f22

thegen wrote: »

Interclub season kicking off soon.

What teams are people hoping to be involved with? Have we any Managers of teams on here?

Managing Senior Cup and Barton Shield this year, quite time consuming and like babysitting for certain individuals. Hoping for a decent run, we won Leinster a few years ago.

PhilipMarlowe

No time for managing and probably no hope of playing!
Ah, might get a run in the Mixed... possibly BC but can't/don't expect to really because I'm doing exams and very little time for golf.
Maybe set my target high for the B.Shield in the summer... it's in Mount Juliet after all

f22

On a side note Licksy, played Gowran last Friday. Forgot how much I liked the place, even though the greens were in ****e

Screaminmidget

Pretty much guaranteed to play fred daly this year, assuming i dont break my arm playing hurling or something. Put my name down for Pierce Purcell aswell, But dont expect that to go anywhere if im being honest.

L.O.F.T

Playing Barton Cup this year. Already played practice matches against Newbridge GC and Castle GC in the last two weeks. Lots of practice so far and no time for anything else within the men's club including weekend comps. Was hoping to play on other teams but Barton Cup is very time consuming.

Garda S Horgan

thegen wrote: »

Our teams are selected on different criteria. Every manager has a different way of selecting his team.

I managed the Jimmy Bruen last year and this was my selection process.

Invited everyone in the h/c range of 6-12 to put name forward for selection.
Brought everyone who put their name down to club to play a foursome round with a suitable partner eg: 6+11, 9+8 etc. After this narrowed panel down to ten pairings.

Sent pairings to play the course where qualification would take place. Selected the best five score returned and two sub pairings. Very close to qualifying only to drop a host of shots on final four holes by all pairings, torrential rain caused this. Qualifier came from morning start.

Not sure if it was a good or bad process. Did not hear any negative talk from people who had their names on original list. But then again, as manager I probably wouldn't.

Ah yes, I remember it well. I was coming up the 15th in Clontarf that day when the heavens opened. Anyone out in the morning had the best of the day. We lost many shots coming up the last 5. Club was slipping and the greens were not draining.

Yours etc,
GSH.

BillyBoy

thegen wrote: »

Interclub season kicking off soon.

What teams are people hoping to be involved with? Have we any Managers of teams on here?

Managing the Pierce Purcell this year, really looking forward to the experience, and hope to get picked on the Barton. Played well in the Jimmy Bruen last year as well so hoping I might get picked this year but my handicap is still a bit high so not sure on that one.

Hacker111

Hoping to play on Barton Cup.... played Garden County.. too low for Pierce Purcell by .8 (and its on in my home course!)......

just enjoying being involved, its good experience.....

Conman X1

Managing the Barton Cup team this year after many years playing on the team. Can echo the comments that its very time consuming, as I've gone through lots and lots of competition results, handicap charts, making sure the lads have the minimum number of cards etc and then ensuring the correct handicaps can match up. Its a big responsibility and hopefully we can get a bit of a run going

Nemesis

I'm the poor sod on the mens committee who has the Team managers managers job.

I provide each manager with :

1. The Draw and rules of their competition.
2. GUI practice vouchers where applicable.
3. Show them where they can check out members form/handicap online and also a list of contact phone numbers for all members.
4.Guidelines on what to wear,how to get your free pro V who gets fed etc.
5. Other stuff.

The selection process apart from handicap and age restrictions in reality is based on who will actually turn up and play for the club.

Last year (with 12 hour notice) I ended up playing at home in the towns cup off 13 handicap with 2 other guys playing off 12.
We couldnt find any 9-11 handicap players (or even sub 9 handicap who qualified) to play.
We all got to the 17th and 18th but lost all 3 matches.

I'm sure clubs with large memberships can have trials but smaller clubs could only dream of turning people away

Obni

Managing Barton Cup for the first time.
It's amazing how quickly you go from wondering how you're going to reduce the mass of players down to a bare 5 pairings, to suddenly wondering where you can find any available players to fill the pairings.
I imagine as the competition progresses and you run into holiday seasons, player availability must be a nightmare.

Didn't have a huge panel to choose from.
Enough for the 5 pairings plus the 2 sub pairings, with a few reserves.
It's mainly been a matter of ranking the pairings and trying a few different combinations.

What's the general opinion on home/away?
Do you play the strongest pairs at home to secure wins?
Or play your strongest away to try to get an away win?
(We're 3 away 2 at home for the 1st round)

PhilipMarlowe

Horses for courses
I think I prefer to play away (ooh er, missus) as long as I don't hate the course. Maybe because there's a lot of pressure on the home guys but for whatever reason I enjoy interclub more as an away player.

Nemesis

This week our Pierce Purcell manager made 75 phone calls to arrange a practice match for sunday and still didnt get a team till Saturday night.

He used the clubs order of merit for 2010 to see who was playing well not quite an up to date guide to form but at least show who is consistant.

Availability and willingness to play seem to far outweigh your golfing ability.:p


Quick question:

To qualify for GUI competitions you need to have handed in 4 cards in the previous year.

We have a few new members who have moved to us from another club.
They have handed in 4 cards last year to their previous club.

Can they play in GUI competitions for their new club this year?

PhilipMarlowe

Yes, but the onus is on them to provide evidence that they are eligible because they won't automatically appear as eligible on your system.
All they need is a detailed cert from their previous club that proves they have played the required amount of times...
There's usually a note on that scenario in the interclub conditions document on the GUI site.


edit:
2011 Conditions
http://www.gui.ie/uploads/docs/3313_GUI_Condition_Booklet_2011.pdf

In order to be eligible to compete in the tournament, a player
shall have, in the calendar year prior to the event, returned a
minimum of four returns in qualifying competitions all of which
must be recorded on the handicap records of the player’s home
club on or before 31st December in the calendar year prior to the
event.
Note: If a player changes his club during the previous calendar
year, it is his responsibility to produce evidence of having
competed in a minimum of four Qualifying Competitions.

Conman X1

Obni wrote: »

What's the general opinion on home/away?
Do you play the strongest pairs at home to secure wins?
Or play your strongest away to try to get an away win?
(We're 3 away 2 at home for the 1st round)

You've got to play your strongest pairs at home, no point in sending them away and coming up against the opposition top pair and lose, winning your home matches is crucial to progressing, if you only have 2 home matches and lose 1, its puts the away pairs under fierce pressure to try to get 2 wins.
I think you got to try win youre 2 home matches and then try and sneek one away win.
Sounds easy!!

Paulusmaximus

so any results from interclub matches yet? Malahide beat Royal Dublin in the prelim round of Barton Cup. 4-1 would be the official result, with malahide winning three, one 2 up and the other a/s...