Toledo - buying advice.

MagicMarker

This evening I went to look at a 00 Toledo 1.9 TDi. I just thought I'd run it past the boards.ie experts to see what you think.

Firstly, there isn't a service history with the car. The seller was open about this, and he was also open about the work he's done on it, in fairness he comes across as being genuine. He's changed the clutch/flywheel, new coolant sensor and thermostat and showed me receipts. I notice he does have another car for sale online though, make of that what you will. He was happy for me to see it at his home, which alleviates at least some doubts about him being dodgy:)

Anyway, there were two main things I noticed when driving, the gears felt a lot different to what I'm used to (punto & polo!), a little tougher to manage. I don't know if this indicates is a problem with the gear box or is just normal for the car. As well as this the brakes felt a little soft, again, it might be just different to what I'm used to.

If I make an offer, then I plan on having a mechanic giving it a thorough going over before handing over any money.

Other relevant info - NCT '12, 137k miles (which reminds me, I forgot to ask when the timing belt was last changed). I didn't look under the bonnet simply because it was pitch black out, and I wouldn't know what I am looking at anyway.

So what say you folk?

- look at it in daylight
- bring someone who knows their beans with you

jesmed

Hi,
!st 137 k miles is high enough for a gearbox to be worn out...you could try test drive another to see if its common amongst that model to have stiff gear shift. It could be down to the new flywheel and clutch but i would think it should be smooth with a new clutch.
If you think the brakes are a bit soft, then they're a bit soft and may need attention soon. Soft brakes are an indication of air in the system and this could be a biggish enough job or it could just need bleeding. You should check to see if the discs are badly worn. You really should view this car in daylight.....he sounds like a dealer to me.....just my tuppence worth.
Always bring a mechanic before you hand over any money and good luck to ya. Hope you do okay.

x in the city

i could think of much better bang for buck than a ca 11 year diesel toledo tbh

does that have common rail diesel or is it old skool? as i have never driven a diesel :rolleyes::rolleyes:

x in the city

x in the city wrote: »

i could think of much better bang for buck than a ca 11 year diesel toledo tbh

He hasn't mentioned what bucks are involved, 50mpg isn't to be sneezed at

sean1141

as above get a better look in daylight and bring someone who knows them with you. see can you get a drive in another one to see if the gears feel the same. even a mk4 golf/bora/octavia or leon diesel will be the same

Leonidas BL

There were 4 states of tune in the diesel toledo(plus most other vw group cars) 90bhp and 110bhp. Then there were 130bhp and 150bhp which were pump injector(Pumpe Düse).

sean1141

x in the city wrote: »

i could think of much better bang for buck than a ca 11 year diesel toledo tbh

such as??

Leonidas BL

Gears should be fairly smooth in it. My friend has one with 170k on the clock. Gears anr nice and smooth and does 50mpg.

MagicMarker

RoverJames wrote: »

He hasn't mentioned what bucks are involved, 50mpg isn't to be sneezed at

54mpg

In fairness, judging by reviews of many of the cars I've been checking out, you can't really go wrong with a Toledo TDi.

x in the city, if you want to throw out any other suggestions then feel free. I'd be interest to here what's ''much better'' out there.

x in the city

a mondeo




:pac:

Atlantic Dawn

See if he has previous NCT certs so you can verify mileage that was on it for previous tests. Run a Cartell or Motorcheck to see if it was ever registered as a Taxi or Hackney. See if he actually owns the car or is a seller on the side.

EPM

Door seals leak and someone said here that they use the same gearbox as some petrols. They do give trouble and if you have doubts get it checked.

Leonidas BL

Diesel mundaino is slooooooow

x in the city

x in the city wrote: »

a mondeo




:pac:

Leonidas BL wrote: »

Diesel mundaino is slooooooow

I had a 2005 Mondeo diesel back in 2005 as a company car, 'twas the 90bhp one, I maintain it was a TDdi (all docs with the car agreed) however some folks on here reckon 'twas a TDci. Anyway, when in it's first year of service the DMF failed and also another time it lost all power due to an intercooler issue. Both common faults according to the local Ford dealer and fixed under warranty. Tough call to say which would be better tbh, considering the OP is looking at a 00 Toledo I would go for the Toledo, a 00 Mondeo diesel is quite dated both in looks and engine wise for a car sold in 2000 new.

x in the city

I was thinking 03 onwards of a mondeo, but the budget of the op prob wont go that far.

maybe a 00 diesel in a toledo is good, for 2k now you would get a lot more of a car im just saying

Having said that all cars have lemons in some shape or another, I have been lucky in the mondeo I got is going like a bomb. And I have driven loads of cars.

MagicMarker

x in the city wrote: »

I was thinking 03 onwards of a mondeo, but the budget of the op prob wont go that far.

maybe a 00 diesel in a toledo is good, for 2k now you would get a lot more of a car im just saying

Having said that all cars have lemons in some shape or another, I have been lucky in the mondeo I got is going like a bomb. And I have driven loads of cars.

The seller is asking for a little over 2k, but I wouldn't pay more than 1800, if even that.

What else would you suggest for 2k? I'm not seeing a whole lot more to be honest.

If you need a diesel the guts of €2000 for a fresh toledo isn't a bad price (€1600 would be about right). Also if you need a diesel you won't be getting a post 03 Mondeo for your budget (no harm anyway as they are not great and have lots and lots of issues, mine wasn't a lemon, just had the standard extras :pac: ). The 1.9 VW engine in that Toledo is a great yoke.

MagicMarker

RoverJames wrote: »

If you need a diesel the guts of €2000 for a fresh toledo isn't a bad price (€1600 would be about right). Also if you need a diesel you won't be getting a post 03 Mondeo for your budget (no harm anyway as they are not great and have lots and lots of issues, mine wasn't a lemon, just had the standard extras :pac: ). The 1.9 VW engine in that Toledo is a great yoke.

Yeah I know, not a whole lot of them about though. I thought about this one overnight and I'll probably just leave it, no sense in risking it tbh.

And the search goes on.....

GTE

MagicMarker wrote: »

Yeah I know, not a whole lot of them about though. I thought about this one overnight and I'll probably just leave it, no sense in risking it tbh.

And the search goes on.....

I was in your position a year and a bit ago and although Im in a rush to get some soup and a sammich down my gob Ill give you the conclusion to my research.

Budget of 2000 - 3000 euro for a diesel will bring you into the 1998 to 2001ish year group of cars.

The best diesel engines of that time were the VAG 1.9 TDI's. More so the 90hp and 110hp which is more the 1998 to 2000 year group.
As 2002 hit the PD TDI was introduced and some problems. By then Ford TDCI! Not TDDI, CI!!! ) and others had caught up and were at least level with VAG. Even the Fords could have problems. Either way, out of the budget.

A well looked after example will be a fantastic car for years if you keep it well maintained.

That is how I ended up with a Golf TDI from 2000.

Leonard Hofstadter

RoverJames wrote: »

I had a 2005 Mondeo diesel back in 2005 as a company car, 'twas the 90bhp one, I maintain it was a TDdi (all docs with the car agreed) however some folks on here reckon 'twas a TDci.

The TDCi was out a good while in those cars by 2005, but for Zetec and Ghia models *only*.

Ford launched the 2.0 TDCi in 128 bhp form back in 2002 I think it was and put it into the Mondeo Ghia. Then in around 2003 they released a 113 bhp version of the TDCi which replaced the TDdi of identical bhp which was used in the Mondeo Zetec diesel from launch.

They didn't TDCi the LX diesel with its laughable 89 bhp for several years after. I think it was 06 or 07 before the LX got the TDCi engine.

Of course this was in poverty spec Ireland:rolleyes:; in the UK all Mondeo diesels had the TDCi by 03 because the 89 bhp engine was never sold there(LXs there were available with either the 113 or 128 bhp engines), so this was yet another Paddy special:rolleyes: and no doubt that's why some people think LX Mondeos in 05 were TDCi rather than TDdi:).

Leonidas BL

RoverJames wrote: »

If you need a diesel the guts of €2000 for a fresh toledo isn't a bad price (€1600 would be about right). Also if you need a diesel you won't be getting a post 03 Mondeo for your budget (no harm anyway as they are not great and have lots and lots of issues, mine wasn't a lemon, just had the standard extras :pac: ). The 1.9 VW engine in that Toledo is a great yoke.

I agree with 1600 yoyos..

geespot

Leonidas BL wrote: »

Diesel mundaino is slooooooow

i have one that is alot quieter alot faster and alot better on road than any passat oh and as nearly 200k

captainspeed

captainspeed wrote: »

Of course this was in poverty spec Ireland:rolleyes:; in the UK all Mondeo diesels had the TDCi by 03 because the 89 bhp engine was never sold there(LXs there were available with either the 113 or 128 bhp engines), so this was yet another Paddy special:rolleyes: and no doubt that's why some people think LX Mondeos in 05 were TDCi rather than TDdi:).

Cheers for that Pity you didn't roll along to the thread where I was being given out to by the "experts" for claiming I had a 2005 TDdi LX Mondeo :pac:

Mine was indeed the LX, but at 25 a new company car was "the job " as we say in Cork :pac: Noisy bastad of a yoke though. Handling not as good as folks would have you believe either. Still did 122mph though in fairness to it.

Leonidas BL

geespot wrote: »

i have one that is alot quieter alot faster and alot better on road than any passat oh and as nearly 200k

Fair play :rolleyes:

geespot

RoverJames wrote: »

Cheers for that Pity you didn't roll along to the thread where I was being given out to by the "experts" for claiming I had a 2005 TDdi LX Mondeo :pac:

Mine was indeed the LX, but at 25 a new company car was "the job " as we say in Cork :pac: Noisy bastad of a yoke though. Handling not as good as folks would have you believe either. Still did 122mph though in fairness to it.

sorry to say the 2005 tdci 90 bhp is a tdci it just a lower output although having driven one i found it to be fairly lively and am fairly sure you could have got it chipped up

geespot

geespot wrote: »

sorry to say the 2005 tdci 90 bhp is a tdci it just a lower output although having driven one i found it to be fairly lively and am fairly sure you could have got it chipped up

Sweet Jesus :rolleyes:
It was a TDdi not a TDci :pac: If you reckon the 90bhp diesel Mondeo was fairly lively that's fair enough, I reckoned it was slow as feck acceleration wise.

Andrew42

RoverJames wrote: »

Handling not as good as folks would have you believe either. Still did 122mph though in fairness to it.

It'd still out handle a 75 and I presume you were on a race track when you maxxed your Mundano? Your soooooo cool, can I be in your gang?:rolleyes:

Leonidas BL

There was a TDDi alright.

Andrew42

Andrew42 wrote: »

It'd still out handle a 75 and I presume you were on a race track when you maxxed your Mundano? Your soooooo cool, can I be in your gang?:rolleyes:

Outhandle a 75 ? More than likely, an ST220 is slower around the TopGear track than an MG ZT 190 though despite it's 30bhp extra :pac:

Cheers for thinking I'm cool Any news on what ole yoke from the "VAG" stable as you call it that you drive ? My money is on a diesel ole Skoda.

geespot

RoverJames wrote: »

Sweet Jesus :rolleyes:
It was a TDdi not a TDci :pac: If you reckon the 90bhp diesel Mondeo was fairly lively that's fair enough, I reckoned it was slow as feck acceleration wise.

not sure if you know what atddi is it means turbo direct diesel injection and tdci means turbo diesel common rail injection they stopped making tddi in 2002 or 2003

geespot

geespot wrote: »

not sure if you know what atddi is it means turbo direct diesel injection and tdci means turbo diesel common rail injection they stopped making tddi in 2002 or 2003

I had a TDdi one that was registered in 2005, are you reckoning I didn't ? I am all too familiar with what they stand for, thanks though.

GTE

Back to the topic I think the OP is on the right track with the VAG TDI over the rest like the Ford TDDI. The TDCI is out of the price range and even at that I would wonder if it would be a reliable alternative if you could find two clean examples of that and a nice 110hp TDI.

On the matter of a 90hp diesel having poke:
The 90hp TDI does have some poke in 2nd and 3rd up to 2500ish rpm but that is just the gearing Id say. Once in 4th and 5th you wont have much KABLAMO. Still a great car though. Loves the motorway though I would love a 6th gear.

MagicMarker

I just got a text off the seller, he said he had a mechanic look at the Toledo and 'adjusted' the gears which are now great, and the mechanic said the brakes are perfect.

?

MagicMarker

MagicMarker wrote: »

I just got a text off the seller, he said he had a mechanic look at the Toledo and 'adjusted' the gears which are now great, and the mechanic said the brakes are perfect.

?

Adjusting gears sounds like poo really

Andrew42

MagicMarker wrote: »

I just got a text off the seller, he said he had a mechanic look at the Toledo and 'adjusted' the gears which are now great, and the mechanic said the brakes are perfect.

?

Walk away, this sounds like a small time dealer operating from his (or someone elses) driveway, there's too much good stuff out there on the used market to choose from.

MagicMarker

RoverJames wrote: »

Adjusting gears sounds like poo really

Andrew42 wrote: »

Walk away, this sounds like a small time dealer operating from his (or someone elses) driveway, there's too much good stuff out there on the used market to choose from.

I concur.

A mate of mine has a friend who has a garage, says he has a few things I might be interested in, am going to have a look tomorrow.

Apparently he has an Alfa 147, I really like the look of these but I understand they're very expensive to maintain, which would probably make it a no no for me.

Also, any idea what the 2l petrol engine is like in a 02 Mondeo?

Leonard Hofstadter

geespot wrote: »

sorry to say the 2005 tdci 90 bhp is a tdci it just a lower output although having driven one i found it to be fairly lively and am fairly sure you could have got it chipped up

Oh ffs it is NOT a TDCi.

Ford did not change the 89 bhp engine to TDCi until 2005, so early 05 cars would be TDdi. As already mentioned the 113 bhp TDdi became a TDCi in 03, and the original 2.0 TDCi, the 128 bhp version, was introduced in 2002.

I see someone, presumably the OP, mentioned considering the Mondeo.

The 2.0 petrol is reliable, just make sure the swirl flaps are removed(a few hundred quid well spent though) as they can fall off and get injested by the engine and that writes off the engine.

The 2.0 diesel is also good for a modern diesel, though they can develop injector trouble. Still not a reason to discount buying one though, they are reliable for the most part.

geespot

i would have to be paid to take away either a 147 or a 2.0 petrol mondeo unless you hate money and like walking

MagicMarker

geespot wrote: »

i would have to be paid to take away either a 147 or a 2.0 petrol mondeo unless you hate money and like walking

Because?

geespot

the petrol mondeo from 2001 to 2005 has a sh1t engine i break them and could sell ten of these a week if only i could find a good one and the other car is a fiat and if you need somebody to explain that to you you have big problems

MagicMarker

Why is the engine ****? What's wrong with them?

johnos1984

geespot wrote: »

the other car is a fiat and if you need somebody to explain that to you you have big problems

Clearly you know lots. Keep enlightening us with these posts

jesmed

geespot wrote: »

the petrol mondeo from 2001 to 2005 has a sh1t engine i break them and could sell ten of these a week if only i could find a good one and the other car is a fiat and if you need somebody to explain that to you you have big problems

Dont suppose you have wiper motor for a 156 alfa ?;)

jesmed

MagicMarker wrote: »

Apparently he has an Alfa 147, I really like the look of these but I understand they're very expensive to maintain

I bought a alfa 156 5 years ago and i still have it. Whats more is i'm gonna keep it cos i love it. Try the 147 from your mate. If he is your mate he'll look after ye.
If ye want to know about alfa'a ask someone who owns one, not someone who knows somebody who blah, blah.
Have a nosey here...
http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-147-156-and-gt/
Good luck.

bryaner

RoverJames wrote: »

If you need a diesel the guts of €2000 for a fresh toledo isn't a bad price (€1600 would be about right). Also if you need a diesel you won't be getting a post 03 Mondeo for your budget (no harm anyway as they are not great and have lots and lots of issues, mine wasn't a lemon, just had the standard extras :pac: ). The 1.9 VW engine in that Toledo is a great yoke.

Don't mention yoke's next thing you'll be on Joe Duffy..:D

sam ford

the rear axle bushings should be checked before buying,common enough on toledos of that year,also front anti-roll bar bushings,has it any service history or how long has the present owner have it?might be a small time dealer,

geespot

johnos1984 wrote: »

Clearly you know lots. Keep enlightening us with these posts

i would love too what would you like to know

jesmed wrote: »

Dont suppose you have wiper motor for a 156 alfa ?;)

only have fords

sam ford wrote: »

the rear axle bushings should be checked before buying,common enough on toledos of that year,also front anti-roll bar bushings,has it any service history or how long has the present owner have it?might be a small time dealer,

whats the difference in a small time dealer and private you have absolutely no rights when you buy private