Urine Therapy to treat illness?

jkell061

Ive just watched the Jim Stynes documentary on RTE, he's fighting cancer in Austraila, and my thoughts are with him and his family.

However, there was a wave of shock among us watching it as he poured a glass of urine and began to drink it. I've never heard of this, nor did the people I watched with. I Googled it and there's mixed reviews; the argument being that it's waste and should not be put back through your body.

Does anybody here use this treatment or know anybody that does? I'm assuming his doctors over there gave him the go ahead on this, but i've found doctors and biologists online saying it's a definite no-no.

I'm curious now because there's others saying it's good for just about anything that could be wrong with you? Anybody any knowledge of this please? Thanks

WildBoots

jkell061 wrote: »

Ive just watched the Jim Stynes documentary on RTE, he's fighting cancer in Austraila, and my thoughts are with him and his family.

However, there was a wave of shock among us watching it as he poured a glass of urine and began to drink it. I've never heard of this, nor did the people I watched with. I Googled it and there's mixed reviews; the argument being that it's waste and should not be put back through your body.

Does anybody here use this treatment or know anybody that does? I'm assuming his doctors over there gave him the go ahead on this, but i've found doctors and biologists online saying it's a definite no-no.

I'm curious now because there's others saying it's good for just about anything that could be wrong with you? Anybody any knowledge of this please? Thanks

It has it's benefits but to be honest there's plenty of other natural therapies available to cancer patients with a much better track record.

flutered

works better if one is not ill, there are quite a number of high profile people who drink urine daily.

Dr Galen

WildBoots wrote: »

It has it's benefits but to be honest there's plenty of other natural therapies available to cancer patients with a much better track record.

What benefits would it have? Off hand I can't really think of any tbh, but I'm open to a bit of education on this one.

Also the other natural therapies you mention, what kind of thing would you be talking about here?

Zulu

If he's getting chemo, wouldn't the urine contain a volume of it?
While this might kill the cancer, wouldn't it also increase damage to liver & kidneys?

bythewoods

I heard this being talked about on the radio, and decided to do some googling to see why on earth anyone would drink their urine...

It turns out, it's based on a hypothesis which has no scientific evidence to back it up...

Cancer cells release various antigens, some of which appear in the urine. Oral autourotherapy is suggested as a new treatment modality for cancer patients. It will provide the intestinal lymphatic system with the many tumor antigens against which antibodies may be produced. These antibodies may be pierced through the blood stream and attack the tumor and its cells.

Source: http://www.medical-hypotheses.com/article/S0306-9877(97)90099-2/abstract

Yeah, doesn't sound too great to me anyway!

bleg

Does he recommend eating your own poo too? I can see the spin now:

"Poo contains billions of probiotics, X% of your recommend daily dose of minerals and vitamins and also contains loads of fibre to help keep your gut happy."

jkell061

Zulu wrote: »

If he's getting chemo, wouldn't the urine contain a volume of it?
While this might kill the cancer, wouldn't it also increase damage to liver & kidneys?

Yeh i've mentioned this to a couple of people since I seen the show and they mentioned that you can't be doing it if you're on any sort of drugs/medication, or if you're sick. Which then had me thinking what you've suggested here! So i don't know what to make of it at this point!

El_Dangeroso

bleg wrote: »

Does he recommend eating your own poo too? I can see the spin now:

"Poo contains billions of probiotics, X% of your recommend daily dose of minerals and vitamins and also contains loads of fibre to help keep your gut happy."

Poo is a very good source of vitamin B12 you know :P That's how gorillas get theirs.

I feel sorry for the guy in that documentary, he has cancer everywhere, he really seems screwed. So maybe he feels like he needs to do *something* even if that something is drinking your own wee and giving yourself coffee enemas. I can think of more pleasant ways to spend my last few weeks on earth but each to their own I suppose.

Biologic

Cancer cells release various antigens, some of which appear in the urine. Oral autourotherapy is suggested as a new treatment modality for cancer patients. It will provide the intestinal lymphatic system with the many tumor antigens against which antibodies may be produced. These antibodies may be pierced through the blood stream and attack the tumor and its cells.

If these antigens were immunogenic then the body would attack them at the site of presentation, not wait until you excrete and drink them. Unless p!ss is natures gold standard adjuvant....

WildBoots

Dr Galen wrote: »

What benefits would it have? Off hand I can't really think of any tbh, but I'm open to a bit of education on this one.

Also the other natural therapies you mention, what kind of thing would you be talking about here?

From past experiences on this forum, I know I will only be opening a big can of worms if I say anything else. If anyone is interested or would like to share information, send me a message!

WildBoots

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Poo is a very good source of vitamin B12 you know :P That's how gorillas get theirs.

Whatever you do, don't post this in the vegan forum! :eek:

ChocolateSauce

Uh....it's a load a crap? No, seriously, there is no scientific evidence whatsoever, anywhere in the world, to suggest that urine "therapy" is anything other than high-end quackery.

bythewoods

ChocolateSauce wrote: »

Uh....it's a load a crap? No, seriously, there is no scientific evidence whatsoever, anywhere in the world, to suggest that urine "therapy" is anything other than high-end quackery.

Yeah, I don't really see how putting the waste products of metabolism back into your body can be beneficial in any way. May as well lick off your own sweat while you're at it.

Dave!

bythewoods wrote: »

Yeah, I don't really see how putting the waste products of metabolism back into your body can be beneficial in any way. May as well lick off your own sweat while you're at it.

Please don't disparage sweatlickology without reading the literature first.

Crasp

It has no benefits whatsoever.

The only thing I can think of is that it could replace electrolytes and other compounds that were high when the urine was produced, and then low when you drank the urine. You would then most likely extract the "waste" products and reuse them.

Anything that is coming out of your body went in to your body, so you could just as easily get these compunds from eating food/ drinking.

jkell061

http://www.urinetherapeutics.com/application.htm


Really??

Dave!

jkell061 wrote: »

http://www.urinetherapeutics.com/application.htm


Really??

Source looks legit

Crasp

jkell061 wrote: »

http://www.urinetherapeutics.com/application.htm


Really??

I have never laughed so hard in my life! :D

jkell061

Crasp wrote: »

I have never laughed so hard in my life! :D

Yeh it would have one feeling like that. I was cringing reading it, eye and ear drops, throat gargle, baths, AFTERSHAVE?

El_Dangeroso

Can anyone actually find a paper that tests any of this stuff?

A quick trawl of pubmed only yields a few dubious looking offerings from a journal called 'The Indian Cow' ?!?!? That paper only dealt with drinking cow urine, I don't know what's worse tbh.

Dave!

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Can anyone actually find a paper that tests any of this stuff?

A quick trawl of pubmed only yields a few dubious looking offerings from a journal called 'The Indian Cow' ?!?!? That paper only dealt with drinking cow urine, I don't know what's worse tbh.

I lol'd

lonestargirl

Dave! wrote: »

Source looks legit

Seriously? Even on a most basic level there are no references at all.

bythewoods

lonestargirl wrote: »

Seriously? Even on a most basic level there are no references at all.

Zulu

lonestargirl wrote: »

Seriously? Even on a most basic level there are no references at all.

em, I think you may need to recalibrate your sarcasm filter.

deepimpact

Oncologist with years of training versus randomer on the internet with a horrendously formatted website? The decision is tough...

I wonder would Mr. Advocates Urine Drinking recommend this "treatment" to a family member with cancer?

Biologic

lonestargirl wrote: »

Seriously? Even on a most basic level there are no references at all.

I think he was taking the piss..... :pac:

lonestargirl

Zulu wrote: »

em, I think you may need to recalibrate your sarcasm filter.

Biologic wrote: »

I think he was taking the piss..... :pac:

, I'll get my coat.

opinion guy

lonestargirl wrote: »

, I'll get my coat.

Now now no need be all pissed off now. . .