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Motoring effect of Budget 2011

  • 07-12-2010 4:56pm
    #1
    ninty9er
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,366 ✭✭✭


    Have I missed it or has Motor Tax just been forgotten in the flurry to increase other taxes??

    4c on petrol and 2 on diesel?? why not the other way around. A litre of diesel pollutes more!


Comments

  • #2
    Owen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,683 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    Fianna Failure at it again. I'm sick of being a car enthusiast in this country.


  • #3
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    I despair - I really do.

    Quite apart from the fuel increase, that there isn't a single attempt - neither good nor bad - to address the outrageous tax inequity vis-a-vis motor tax....

    ...boy oh boy am I looking forward to canvasser's calling to my door in a few week's............

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #4
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    they changed cat.c vrt from 50 euro to 200 ,

    they didnt touch smokes and only 2c inc vat on diesel

    everything_went_better_than_expected.jpg/

    but didnt go well....


  • #5
    Owen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,683 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Quite apart from the fuel increase, that there isn't a single attempt - neither good nor bad - to address the outrageous tax inequity vis-a-vis motor tax....

    +1. I have a car I do about 500 miles a year in. I have to pay hundreds for tax, where a rep in a 08 318d can do 40k miles a year, wreck the roads and the environment for 156 a year, and yet he's the one being rewarded by the 'green motor taxes'.


  • #6
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,686 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Whats the odds on a type of carbon budget in the coming weeks with more detail on changes to fuel duty & motor tax etc


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  • #7
    R.O.R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,712 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    Scrappage scheme extended for a further 6 months, but the amount taken down from €1,500 to €1,250.

    Hurray !!!!!!!


  • #8
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    To Anyone who went and bought a renault / whatever else in december to get goverment scrappage


    HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA


  • #9
    Atomic Pineapple
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    4 cent on petrol is a bit outrageous.


  • #10
    Gary ITR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,801 ✭✭✭✭Gary ITR


    At 75 litres a week that works out in and around 150 notes a year


  • #11
    R.O.R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,712 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    Onkle wrote: »
    At 75 litres a week that works out in and around 150 notes a year

    Cheers - do you want to tell me my Dog's dead as well, that should cheer me up even further :mad:


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  • #12
    Gary ITR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,801 ✭✭✭✭Gary ITR


    R.O.R wrote: »
    Cheers - do you want to tell me my Dog's dead as well, that should cheer me up even further :mad:

    Dude, your dogs dead

    I just worked it out while ranting at my OH over msn


  • #13
    Patser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,234 ✭✭✭Patser


    Posted this in the Budget 2011 thread too.

    But the 4c/l petrol rise is the third budget in a row petrol has been raised. Take into account the 4c/l carbon tax last year, 8c/l the year before and then add VAT to all that and that's around 20c/l added to petrol in 2 years.

    Think it's about 10-12c/l to deisel (5c,2c,2c)


  • #14
    Absurdum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭Absurdum


    but sure none of this matters, use public transport or cycle

    *buries head in sand*

    bye!


  • #15
    Gary ITR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,801 ✭✭✭✭Gary ITR


    Absurdum wrote: »
    but sure none of this matters, use public transport or cycle

    *buries head in sand*

    bye!


    Wait till the Greens find out ye can't cycle to Brussels


  • #16
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    PaintDoctor wrote: »
    Fianna Failure at it again. I'm sick of being a car enthusiast in this country.

    Car enthusiast.
    Its not just car enthusiasts that get hit with this.

    Do ministers not realise that adding to the cost of fuel affects everyone who owns a car and more importantly the costs of transporting raw materials and finished goods in this country.

    What a bunch of muppets.........these costs SHOULD be going down in a recession, not going up. There is a crazy amount of VAT/Duty/TAX/Carbon levy or whatever the fcek on these fuels already.

    Those people who require a car or vehicle for work will be paying more taxes and paying more to work.
    Great stuff, well fcuking done lads.


  • #17
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    lads theres a huge upside here - THE RSA ARE HAVING THEIR FUNDING CUT - less of gaybos shennanigans f*cking up our days


  • #18
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Onkle wrote: »
    Wait till the Greens find out ye can't cycle to Brussels

    Brussels? You can't cycle on the local R347, never mind the E whatever.......
    kippy wrote: »
    Car enthusiast.
    Its not just car enthusiasts that get hit with this.

    Do ministers not realise that adding to the cost of fuel affects everyone who owns a car and more importantly the costs of transporting raw materials and finished goods in this country.

    What a bunch of muppets.........these costs SHOULD be going down in a recession, not going up. There is a crazy amount of VAT/Duty/TAX/Carbon levy or whatever the fcek on these fuels already.

    Those people who require a car or vehicle for work will be paying more taxes and paying more to work.
    Great stuff, well fcuking done lads.

    +99,999,9999,9999 (well ****it, they're throwing zero's around, I might as well throw '9's....:rolleyes: )

    I just spent all afternoon pricing 3 jobs in N.I., which included shipping multiple artic's up there, with stuff. In the space of a few hour's, not only has the cost of delivering the stuff gone up, I have to re-factor the import of the raw materials, to make the product, as well.

    So, will the diesel cost make the whole job uncompetitive, and I lose the entire thing ? It's entirely possible.

    Such ****-witted 'funnel vision' is beyond belief..........

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #19
    challengemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    kippy wrote: »
    Car enthusiast.
    Its not just car enthusiasts that get hit with this.
    True, but enthusiasts tend to get hit worse - often have more/higher powered cars, despite the ridiculous tax/insurance prices already.

    Not often you get a performance car with decent MPG either - so compared to others, enthusiasts do get hit worse.


  • #20
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    challengemaster wrote: »
    True, but enthusiasts tend to get hit worse - often have more/higher powered cars, despite the ridiculous tax/insurance prices already.

    Not often you get a performance car with decent MPG either - so compared to others, enthusiasts do get hit worse.
    They may, however it is there CHOICE to have these higher MPG cars. They may only take them out once a week as well. You have to pay for your "enthusiasm".
    Most business have no choice. They can obviously go for cheaper to run vehicles but there is significant costs involved here.

    Transits and other commercial vehicles arent exactly the most economical either.


  • #21
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    kippy wrote: »
    They may, however it is there CHOICE to have these higher MPG cars. They may only take them out once a week as well. You have to pay for your "enthusiasm".
    Most business have no choice. They can obviously go for cheaper to run vehicles but there is significant costs involved here.

    Transits and other commercial vehicles arent exactly the most economical either.

    Sorry, but, No. :mad: :mad: and I'll bite my tongue on the expletive I'd like to use...


    I am entitled, as a citizen of this State, to equity under the tax system. It has nothing to do with what car I drive. The govt have decided that the well off not only get to have lower motor tax but - and here's the kicker - that they'll GIVE YOU A GRANT to buy the ****ing thing !

    I haven't even mentioned the cost in depreciation forced on me by the asshole who decided that January 2008 is the Be All and End All of fair tax.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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  • #22
    Owen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,683 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    I'm not so sure what the idea with raising VAT is. Anyone who's VAT registered and buys in products for their business will just buy from abroad now. You'll get the cheaper prices that are available on mainland Europe anyway, and get all the VAT off (Obviously, you've to do your books on the stuff that's brought in regardless) - so how is this supposed to promote business here?

    As a small business owner, I'll end up now buying most of what I need from abroad, and only what I need urgently locally. Cars are going to be more expensive again with the new VAT too!


  • #23
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Sorry, but, No. :mad: :mad: and I'll bite my tongue on the expletive I'd like to use...


    I am entitled, as a citizen of this State, to equity under the tax system. It has nothing to do with what car I drive. The govt have decided that the well off not only get to have lower motor tax but - and here's the kicker - that they'll GIVE YOU A GRANT to buy the ****ing thing !

    I haven't even mentioned the cost in depreciation forced on me by the asshole who decided that January 2008 is the Be All and End All of fair tax.

    Galwaytt, you may be misunderstanding me. I was making the point that a car enthuasiast may make the choice to drive these type of cars.
    I am pointing out that its not just car enthuasiasts that get hit hardest here.
    Those that own a fleet of cars/vans will get hit infinetly more and as a result the costs of goods and services will effect EVERYONE whether tangible or not.

    Also, tax system equitibilty is non existent in this state, mainly due to the stealth taxes such as this one.


  • #24
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    kippy wrote: »
    Galwaytt, you may be misunderstanding me. I was making the point that a car enthuasiast may make the choice to drive these type of cars.
    I am pointing out that its not just car enthuasiasts that get hit hardest here.
    Those that own a fleet of cars/vans will get hit infinetly more and as a result the costs of goods and services will effect EVERYONE whether tangible or not.

    Also, tax system equitibilty is non existent in this state, mainly due to the stealth taxes such as this one.

    ..you could be right, and if I have, Mea Culpa...... :)

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #25
    SeaFields
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    Just wondering has anyone else seen retailers being a bit generous with their increases on the ol' petroleum?

    My local is at 139.9 a litre today. Off the top of my head (and I looked for a receipt from last week to confirm but to no avail) I was charged 132.9 last week.

    Anyone else seeing similar trends?


  • #26
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    SeaFields wrote: »
    Just wondering has anyone else seen retailers being a bit generous with their increases on the ol' petroleum?

    My local is at 139.9 a litre today. Off the top of my head (and I looked for a receipt from last week to confirm but to no avail) I was charged 132.9 last week.

    Anyone else seeing similar trends?

    Petrol/Diesel have been going up up up for the past few months.
    We'll be paying over 1.50 per litre in Jan at the rate they are going.
    And the majority of that will be tax.
    Joke.


  • #27
    SeaFields
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    kippy wrote: »
    Petrol/Diesel have been going up up up for the past few months.
    We'll be paying over 1.50 per litre in Jan at the rate they are going.
    And the majority of that will be tax.
    Joke.

    Yeah I noticed the gradual increase but at the same time the petrol going up by 4c on the night of the budget seems like (in my example anyway) an excuse for them to throw on an extra few cent too. But i suppose would we expect anything different :rolleyes:


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