landowners and esb

eorna

read a thread a while back (which i can't find) of some form to get compensation for esb right to enter your land and do their job. Depended on number of poles and types of pole...Has anybody has a link to that?? or know where to find it? thanks

reilig

eorna wrote: »

read a thread a while back (which i can't find) of some form to get compensation for esb right to enter your land and do their job. Depended on number of poles and types of pole...Has anybody has a link to that?? or know where to find it? thanks

We have a high voltage line on our land which runs from Ballyshannon to Cavan. Its a triple wire line, quite similar in size to what you would see on one of those large steel pylons except ours is 2 large wooden pole with 2 x 40ft steel girders on top to carry the line (the land around us is very hilly and not suitable for pylons). The ESB check them on a regular basis on foot and by helicopter a couple of times a year too. They cut any trees under the line also. But there is never compensation for the above. The only time that they pay us compensation is when they have to bring a digger onto the land to put up new poles (I think they paid €120 per set of poles a few years back but they also left us the old poles and the girders which were far more valuable to us). There is also a fibreoptic cable wrapped around one of the lines the whole way and we receive rental for this cable on an annual basis of €120 per set of poles. When they were putting up the cable they had to bring a teleporter onto the land and they paid us about €300 per landowner for the access.

You won't be rich from the amount of money that they pay. Years ago they paid an annual payment of £16 per set of poles which was deducted from your ESB bill. This payment stopped in recent years.

Hope it helps. The best way to find out is to call their query line 1850 372 757. I have done it before and found them very helpful.

PS. They do not pay any compensation for domestic lines. ie. those directly serving houses or farms.

handlemaster

reilig wrote: »

We have a high voltage line on our land which runs from Ballyshannon to Cavan. Its a triple wire line, quite similar in size to what you would see on one of those large steel pylons except ours is 2 large wooden pole with 2 x 40ft steel girders on top to carry the line (the land around us is very hilly and not suitable for pylons). The ESB check them on a regular basis on foot and by helicopter a couple of times a year too. They cut any trees under the line also. But there is never compensation for the above. The only time that they pay us compensation is when they have to bring a digger onto the land to put up new poles (I think they paid €120 per set of poles a few years back but they also left us the old poles and the girders which were far more valuable to us). There is also a fibreoptic cable wrapped around one of the lines the whole way and we receive rental for this cable on an annual basis of €120 per set of poles. When they were putting up the cable they had to bring a teleporter onto the land and they paid us about €300 per landowner for the access.

You won't be rich from the amount of money that they pay. Years ago they paid an annual payment of £16 per set of poles which was deducted from your ESB bill. This payment stopped in recent years.

Hope it helps. The best way to find out is to call their query line 1850 372 757. I have done it before and found them very helpful.

PS. They do not pay any compensation for domestic lines. ie. those directly serving houses or farms.

In the UK these used poles are regarded as hazardous waste. The 'freebie' might end up giving you a very expensive medical bills in the long run.

reilig

handlemaster wrote: »

In the UK these used poles are regarded as hazardous waste. The 'freebie' might end up giving you a very expensive medical bills in the long run.

Creosote treated posts and poles are regarded as hazardous waste in this country too if they are not handled correctly. However, if you are sensible when handling them, they are very safe and make great gate posts, supporting pillars etc. etc.

handlemaster

reilig wrote: »

Creosote treated posts and poles are regarded as hazardous waste in this country too if they are not handled correctly. However, if you are sensible when handling them, they are very safe and make great gate posts, supporting pillars etc. etc.

I don't think its the creosote thats the problem its the known unknowns regarding electromagnetic fields.

Power Lines

An enormous amount of electricity is created at power generating stations and sent across the country through wires that carry high voltages. All power lines radiate electromagnetic fields. The question is: how much are the power lines near YOUR home radiating? The amount of EMFs coming from a power line depends on its particular configuration. Power companies know which power line configurations are best for reducing EMFs but most don't feel the evidence supports costly changes in the way they deliver electricity.

reilig

handlemaster wrote: »

I don't think its the creosote thats the problem its the known unknowns regarding electromagnetic fields.

Power Lines

An enormous amount of electricity is created at power generating stations and sent across the country through wires that carry high voltages. All power lines radiate electromagnetic fields. The question is: how much are the power lines near YOUR home radiating? The amount of EMFs coming from a power line depends on its particular configuration. Power companies know which power line configurations are best for reducing EMFs but most don't feel the evidence supports costly changes in the way they deliver electricity.

In your post above, you said that the poles were hazardous waste, now its the EMF's :D:D

Luckily I live about 2 miles from the power lines. Should be safe enough

LostCovey

handlemaster wrote: »

I don't think its the creosote thats the problem its the known unknowns regarding electromagnetic fields.

Power Lines

An enormous amount of electricity is created at power generating stations and sent across the country through wires that carry high voltages. All power lines radiate electromagnetic fields. The question is: how much are the power lines near YOUR home radiating? The amount of EMFs coming from a power line depends on its particular configuration. Power companies know which power line configurations are best for reducing EMFs but most don't feel the evidence supports costly changes in the way they deliver electricity.

Tell us more about the known unknowns.
Your post appears to only cover the unknown unknowns.

Some believe that the EMFs are actually protective against the effect of cosmic rays.

And the Little People.

LostCovey

LostCovey

reilig wrote: »

Creosote treated posts and poles are regarded as hazardous waste in this country too if they are not handled correctly. However, if you are sensible when handling them, they are very safe and make great gate posts, supporting pillars etc. etc.

They love to be asked for them too, because it costs them a fortune per pole to dispose of them as toxic waste.

LC

handlemaster

reilig wrote: »

In your post above, you said that the poles were hazardous waste, now its the EMF's :D:D

Luckily I live about 2 miles from the power lines. Should be safe enough

I'm simplify it for you. Theres a number of factors that cause it them to be classified as hazardous, EMF been one of them.

handlemaster

LostCovey wrote: »

Tell us more about the known unknowns.
Your post appears to only cover the unknown unknowns.

Some believe that the EMFs are actually protective against the effect of cosmic rays.

And the Little People.

LostCovey

Your post appears to only cover aaaa nothing

reilig

To be honest with you handlemaster, i shouldn't have even answered you as it it totally off the op's topic. Start a new thread if you want to debate the dangers of powerlines.

Hope the info that I gave you Eorna is of some help. If I can help you in any way, don't hesitate to PM me.

handlemaster

reilig wrote: »

To be honest with you handlemaster, i shouldn't have even answered you as it it totally off the op's topic. Start a new thread if you want to debate the dangers of powerlines.

Handbags aren't allowed in this thread either.

reilig

handlemaster wrote: »

Handbags aren't allowed in this thread either.

So tuck yours under your arm and go.

The op started the thread for information not for a debate.

The_Conductor

Guys- no more personal remarks please.
If you disagree with what someone posts- refute it factually, instead of snipping and making snide comments at each other. Its not that difficult to have a civil discussion.

Regards,

SMcCarrick

eorna

thanks for replies, i remember seeing that thread here but anyways..reilig i will ring that number see how i get on..i know i won't get rich but every little helps...made a shed from them toxic poles...great shed it is too..;)

dar31

Mast interference claim form

bbam

handlemaster wrote: »

I don't think its the creosote thats the problem its the known unknowns regarding electromagnetic fields.

Power Lines

An enormous amount of electricity is created at power generating stations and sent across the country through wires that carry high voltages. All power lines radiate electromagnetic fields. The question is: how much are the power lines near YOUR home radiating? The amount of EMFs coming from a power line depends on its particular configuration. Power companies know which power line configurations are best for reducing EMFs but most don't feel the evidence supports costly changes in the way they deliver electricity.

In a previous company where I worked we dealt with large scale electromagnetic fields and microwaves..
Over a period of time we conducted many tests on leakage and the safe working distances from such sources..

The truth is (and I personally measured it) that the energy disapates hugely with distance from the sources, at a distance of 2meters a 2000watt (2Kw) microwave leak will have disapated to less than 2w, emf's will disapate even more.
Consistantly we found that if you are 10m or more from either source then you will have less exposure than if you were to carry a mobile phone and most seem happy with that notion.

There are far more sources of both EMF and microwaves in peoples homes and most are not so concerned... Remote control/TV extenders work on similar frequencies and are commonly up to 2Kw power output.. CRT's are another source that has been lived with in the home for quite some time and no negative effects have been proven (appart from RTE's poor programming which would scramble any brain)

Definitely less EMF's as suggested above would be good but do we want 20% increases in our bills to pay for it.... I think not

Belongamick

BBam,

Based on your experience... we have a high voltage pylon running through our back garden. I think it is three phase - three lines mounted on a two pole frame. What distance should we be from it for the EMF to dissipate to harmless levels?

bbam

Belongamick wrote: »

BBam,

Based on your experience... we have a high voltage pylon running through our back garden. I think it is three phase - three lines mounted on a two pole frame. What distance should we be from it for the EMF to dissipate to harmless levels?

Defining harmless is impossible in this case as to be honest there are so many varying opinions on the effects of low level long term exposure to these power sources, google would find you a plethera of people fighting for each side...

My point was more that household objects can produce similar if not more microwaves/EMF but there are no lobby groups that I know off pushing to have TV's or microwave ovens banned or buried under ground.

I know I'm sitting typing in front of a CRT that produces more EMF than being 10m away from 3phase lines. That said, would I want HV lines in my back garden, no I probably wouldn't.

Two examples,
A number of years ago the Health Board as it was issued a circular requesting female members of staff not to wear bleeps/pagers in the brest pockets of their coats, there was a "potential" risk of increasing one's chances of brest cancer shown in some study or other.

Lots of people who use mobile phones for long periods get headaches and some have been proven to have elevated brain temperatures following long phone calls... this could be from concentration or the effects of microwaves/emf.

My personal opinion is that there are lots of dangers in our everyday life that we are either oblivious to or choose to ignore, those who want to take action or frighten others should probably start in their own homes first, but then who would hear them or see their posters :rolleyes:

I am in no way an expert in this field, I was in a position to conduct tests as a result off accidental exposure to similar.

LostCovey

bbam wrote: »

Two examples,
A number of years ago the Health Board as it was issued a circular requesting female members of staff not to wear bleeps/pagers in the brest pockets of their coats, there was a "potential" risk of increasing one's chances of brest cancer shown in some study or other.

bbam wrote: »

Lots of people who use mobile phones for long periods get headaches and some have been proven to have elevated brain temperatures following long phone calls... this could be from concentration or the effects of microwaves/emf.

Hi bbam,

I think both of these examples are fairly widespread urban myths.

If this is incorrect, I would love to see the evidence, or a link to it.

Thanks in advance

LostCovey

Corsendonk

LostCovey wrote: »

Hi bbam,

I think both of these examples are fairly widespread urban myths.

If this is incorrect, I would love to see the evidence, or a link to it.

Thanks in advance

LostCovey

Seems to be a popular urban myth that comes up here when anyone mentions a power line. NCD forum had a thread running about the Eirgrid interconnector and the effects of the magnetic waves, everything from cancer to Alzheimers was claimed to be attributed to powerlines. I blame the poor teaching standards of science in Ireland.

The_Conductor

Guys- I'm closing this thread. If anyone wants to continue discussing the original topic (aka compensation for landowners as a result of the ESB putting up pylons on their land and removing it from productive agriculture)- please PM me and I'll reopen this thread. We're not going to discuss electrical myths etc here in this forum.