Fianna Fail's 'Issues' page on their website.

The Volt

Absolutely laughable. The single worst case of false advertising that I have ever encountered.

Firstly, they claim that they are committed to protecting the most vulnerable in society. I don't know about Fianna Fail but I would classify these people as the old, the sick and the poor. One quick think about each of these and one remembers that the old age pension is very likely to come under attack in the upcoming budget while the disgraced bankers accumulate monumental pensions, a large proportion of our graduate nurses and doctors are emigrating and the lowest paid public sector workers have taken cuts of around 15% over the last couple of years while those on salaries over €100,000 a year remain relatively unscathed. That's just one problem that faces the old, the sick and the poor respectively so I think that it is safe to say that this government do not remain committed to protecting anybody but themselves and their friends.

On education they say this:

We are committed to investing in the largest school building programme in the history of the state while also achieving real value for money. In line with recent commitments in the programme for Government, front line services will be protected through the maintenance of class sizes and capitation grants at current levels, the provision of extra teachers at primary and post primary level and continued investment in higher education.

Their 'issues' page also seems to be void of any ideas for constitutional or government reform. The need for this is common knowledge but it seems that Fianna Fail wish to be dragged out of the dark ages kicking and screaming.

What, if any progressive policies, socially or economically, do Fianna Fail have? The answer is none. All they know is to cut everything. These morons need to go now and God help the country if people continue to buy into their lies come election time.


http://www.fiannafail.ie/issues

Mr.Micro

Voltwad wrote: »

Absolutely laughable. The single worst case of false advertising that I have ever encountered.

Firstly, they claim that they are committed to protecting the most vulnerable in society. I don't know about Fianna Fail but I would classify these people as the old, the sick and the poor. One quick think about each of these and one remembers that the old age pension is very likely to come under attack in the upcoming budget while the disgraced bankers accumulate monumental pensions, a large proportion of our graduate nurses and doctors are emigrating and the lowest paid public sector workers have taken cuts of around 15% over the last couple of years while those on salaries over €100,000 a year remain relatively unscathed. That's just one problem that faces the old, the sick and the poor respectively so I think that it is safe to say that this government do not remain committed to protecting anybody but themselves and their friends.

On education they say this:



Their 'issues' page also seems to be void of any ideas for constitutional or government reform. The need for this is common knowledge but it seems that Fianna Fail wish to be dragged out of the dark ages kicking and screaming.

What, if any progressive policies, socially or economically, do Fianna Fail have? The answer is none. All they know is to cut everything. These morons need to go now and God help the country if people continue to buy into their lies come election time.


http://www.fiannafail.ie/issues

So basically more of the same stuff we have had for the last 2 terms of FF.......disaster and deceit.

nesf

Voltwad wrote: »

Firstly, they claim that they are committed to protecting the most vulnerable in society. I don't know about Fianna Fail but I would classify these people as the old, the sick and the poor. One quick think about each of these and one remembers that the old age pension is very likely to come under attack in the upcoming budget while the disgraced bankers accumulate monumental pensions, a large proportion of our graduate nurses and doctors are emigrating and the lowest paid public sector workers have taken cuts of around 15% over the last couple of years while those on salaries over €100,000 a year remain relatively unscathed. That's just one problem that faces the old, the sick and the poor respectively so I think that it is safe to say that this government do not remain committed to protecting anybody but themselves and their friends.

Seriously FF were far too good to the sick, poor and elderly during the boom, that's part of the reason why we've such a crazy budget deficit. Now that reality has reasserted itself and the State can't rely on bumper tax revenue from an inflated property sector finally things like pensions will have to come down.

DeVore

nesf wrote: »

Seriously FF were far too good to the sick, poor and elderly during the boom, that's part of the reason why we've such a crazy budget deficit. Now that reality has reasserted itself and the State can't rely on bumper tax revenue from an inflated property sector finally things like pensions will have to come down.

Ok.... lets start with theirs.

DeV.

yoshytoshy

nesf wrote: »

Seriously FF were far too good to the sick, poor and elderly during the boom, that's part of the reason why we've such a crazy budget deficit. Now that reality has reasserted itself and the State can't rely on bumper tax revenue from an inflated property sector finally things like pensions will have to come down.

Fianna fail have consistently used them increases to stay in government. I'm not trying to contradict your good self ,but just pointing out that they were in government to do the job of governing.

Fianna fail have never been able to lead by example ,because everyone knows they've had a whole bunch of crooks in their ranks.

If we had an honest government ,they'd have made honest choices in government.

nesf

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Fianna fail have consistently used them increases to stay in government. I'm not trying to contradict your good self ,but just pointing out that they were in government to do the job of governing.

Fianna fail have never been able to lead by example ,because everyone knows they've had a whole bunch of crooks in their ranks.

If we had an honest government ,they'd have made honest choices in government.

Oh, I don't really disagree. I'm just pointing out that FF did their best to fulfill said promises, despite how unhealthy it was for the country.

Liam Byrne

DeVore wrote: »

Ok.... lets start with theirs.

DeV.

+ infinity

If they did then their opinions on what's required and how everyone needs to share the pain might actually be credible.

Speaking of being "overly generous", how come those at the top of the banks - which we now unfortunately own and whose heads wouldn't even have jobs if they'd gone under (and wouldn't get a job anywhere else because of their incompetence) are still paid a fortune ?

Not to mention FF-appointees like the former (non)regulator who got paid generous fortunes in order to feck off into the murky shadows.

No sign of any of those heading back to 2002 or 2006 levels.

All animals are equal, but we'll save FF cronies from the slaughterhouse.

phantom_lord

nesf wrote: »

Seriously FF were far too good to the sick, poor and elderly during the boom, that's part of the reason why we've such a crazy budget deficit. Now that reality has reasserted itself and the State can't rely on bumper tax revenue from an inflated property sector finally things like pensions will have to come down.

And also we're going through a period of deflation.

Kiki10

nesf wrote: »

Seriously FF were far too good to the sick, poor and elderly during the boom, that's part of the reason why we've such a crazy budget deficit. Now that reality has reasserted itself and the State can't rely on bumper tax revenue from an inflated property sector finally things like pensions will have to come down.

i think the health budget is mostly spent on staff wages. Considering FF bloated all sections of the civil service. I dint see how hiring 4 managers to oversee 1 worker whose job is to cancel operations helps the sick or poor:rolleyes:

nesf

Kiki10 wrote: »

i think the health budget is mostly spent on staff wages. Considering FF bloated all sections of the civil service. I dint see how hiring 4 managers to oversee 1 worker whose job is to cancel operations helps the sick or poor:rolleyes:

I was obviously referring to the massive increases to the state pension and the dole etc.

jmayo

nesf wrote: »

Seriously FF were far too good to the sick, poor and elderly during the boom, that's part of the reason why we've such a crazy budget deficit. Now that reality has reasserted itself and the State can't rely on bumper tax revenue from an inflated property sector finally things like pensions will have to come down.

I would take serious issue with that statement.
Thye might have increased invalid pension, but the health services under ff have become cr**ier.
Look at how they encouraged tax writeoff private sector nursing homes that as were very poorly regulated.
There we go again lack of regulation. :rolleyes:
Look at our social services for children in danger. :rolleyes:

Look how the standard of health care has dropped.
Of course I await the defenders of the healthcare system to come back with soem metric that shows the opposite, but please tell that to the families that watched their elderly relatives stuck on trolleys in over cramped A&Es.
Metrics have become all important (see how Tallaght found way of increasing their by not opening doctor correspondence) and actual patient care has become secondary.

FF and proud

nesf wrote: »

Oh, I don't really disagree. I'm just pointing out that FF did their best to fulfill said promises, despite how unhealthy it was for the country.

You people were more than happy during the good times but now that things have gotten a little harder youve all jumped ship. Sure what difference would them people in FG or Labour have made, are they supermen or something with the ability to stop the global recession because I dont think so at all.

jmayo

FF and proud wrote: »

You people were more than happy during the good times but now that things have gotten a little harder youve all jumped ship. Sure what difference would them people in FG or Labour have made, are they supermen or something with the ability to stop the global recession because I dont think so at all.

Shure doesn't everyone know it is all Lehman's fault :rolleyes:

T runner

nesf wrote: »

Seriously FF were far too good to the sick, poor and elderly during the boom, that's part of the reason why we've such a crazy budget deficit. Now that reality has reasserted itself and the State can't rely on bumper tax revenue from an inflated property sector finally things like pensions will have to come down.

"Throwing money stupidly at"....does not equate to "being good to".

The anti-povery strategy since 2003 has been a complete failure:

"The plan includes actions in relation to employment, social welfare, education, health, housing, equality and so on."

We can go through these one by one to see how "good" the government has actually been. I think Crowley in Equality was making strides, but he didnt seem to understand that actual progress and the subsequent difficulties that this might present was not what FF were really after. Money thrown at it, that looked well on press releases but made little difference was all that FF required. Crowley had to go ......

T runner

FF and proud wrote: »

You people were more than happy during the good times but now that things have gotten a little harder youve all jumped ship. Sure what difference would them people in FG or Labour have made, are they supermen or something with the ability to stop the global recession because I dont think so at all.

Bring your Ned kelly outfits if thats the standard line that FF candidates will be pedalling at doors this election.

The Volt

FF and proud wrote: »

You people were more than happy during the good times but now that things have gotten a little harder youve all jumped ship. Sure what difference would them people in FG or Labour have made, are they supermen or something with the ability to stop the global recession because I dont think so at all.

What do you mean 'you people'?

I don't believe for a second that either Fine Gael or Labour have anywhere near the level of incompetency and corruption that Fianna Fail seem to breed.

Liam Byrne

FF and proud wrote: »

You people were more than happy during the good times

No, some of us objected to corruption back then, but were told that the Mahon Report would reveal all. So we waited until its release in "early 2010".....oh, hang on.......

FF and proud wrote: »

.....but now that things have gotten a little harder youve all jumped ship.

What "ship" ? Some of us didn't rip people off and didn't vote FF. What "ship" could you possibly be on about ?

FF and proud wrote: »

Sure what difference would them people in FG or Labour have made, are they supermen or something with the ability to stop the global recession because I dont think so at all.

No, they couldn't. But they could have stopped our internal crisis adding to the problem by having sustainable policies. Yes, they may have spent the same amounts, but they may have demanded value for money and may have created a sustainable economy, like they did the last time.

Unfortunately, we'll never know.

But if FF continue to trot out the lie that the crisis is related to the global economy and not to cronyism and corruption in Anglo that went unregulated for some unknown reason by an unqualified regulator who was appointed because he was "Ahern's friend" and stoked by policies decided on by our current incompetent Taoiseach, then they haven't a hope of fixing the problem - they're like a drunk who can't see that he's an alcoholic.

The first step in any recovery is admitting that you have a problem.

FF "don't accept that", even when it's blatantly obvious.