A few questions? Saorview in North Tipp from Maghera/ freeview???

Deedsie

I don't really know where to start. What I would love to get is a 32" flat screen HD LCD tv that can pick up saorview channels from Maghera. The tv will be in North Tipperary. Near lough derg. Not sure if the silvermines, arra mountains will interfere with the signal!

I would also love to be able get the freeview UK channels, but I presume I am to far away from the border/coast to pick it up with an aerial. Does that mean my only option is a satellite dish and freesat. If I could avoid a dish I would be delighted.

Next, what aerial/fittings/cabling do I need for saorview from Maghera? Is the tv available in lidl this week able to tune the freesat channels without requiring a freesat box? Is there a link to setting up an aerial on a roof. I have not done it before.

I really hope someone can help, then I might be able help someone out down the line.

Sponge Bob

You need

1. a group B UHF aerial pointing at Maghera
2. a satellite dish pointing at Astra 2 ( a sky dish would do)

Then buy a Combi box ( search this forum ) , the Edision Argus' are highly regarded.

Plug BOTH 1. and 2. feeds into edision, tickety boo.

Deedsie

Sponge Bob wrote: »

You need

1. a group B UHF aerial pointing at Maghera
2. a satellite dish pointing at Astra 2 ( a sky dish would do)

Then buy a Combi box ( search this forum ) , the Edision Argus' are highly regarded.

Plug BOTH 1. and 2. feeds into edision, tickety boo.

That looks great, thanks for that SB. How many cables could you run from the group b aerial? Say if I got 3 boxes down the line, could I run them all from one aerial and one satellite

watty

you can run about 2000 TVs from one dish and one aerial.

The Satellite is 36,000km above the Equator. The metal on your house is a Dish.
A solid dish is recommended. Only ever use a Sky dish if you already have one.

you can have a Quad LNB on the dish arm. You can't split the coax cable from LNB (the block at end of dish arm), a Quad LNB has four separate connections.

You can have a 4 way, 6way or 8 way distribution amp on the aerial to split its cable.

see links in my sig for SaorTV and TechTír

mossym

where exactly in north tipp, i am close to lough derg, right on it in fact, in Ballina. a group B pointed at maghera picked up nothing for me, couldn't get woodcock either, i am picking up solid reception from mullaghanish though, which might seem weird but it works


so a blanket assumption that maghera is your answer may not be correct, so the question is, where exactly are you

lawhec

Surely Maghera is Group C/D, not Group B?

watty

he's right C/D
48 65 67 55
http://www.saortv.info/terrestrial-saorview/tuning-saorview/

48 is now.

Though since aerials drop in gain slower at higher frequency than at lower frequency, a Group B will work OK on ch48

C/D will be better for future.

mossym

lawhec wrote: »

Surely Maghera is Group C/D, not Group B?

sorry, you're right of course, it was a group c/d i tried, but still couldn't get anything.

Deedsie

The tv will be set up in Nenagh town. Not exactly near the lake, but it's a closeby geographical feature I thought might affect reception.

mossym

Deedsie wrote: »

The tv will be set up in Nenagh town. Not exactly near the lake, but it's a closeby geographical feature I thought might affect reception.

you're a bit farther north, and out of the valley of the river, have a much better chance of getting maghera than me, i would try the c/d first

Sponge Bob

oops c/d it is

Deedsie

Has anyone ever installed a satellite dish on a chimney? Is it advisable?

BowWow

Deedsie wrote: »

Has anyone ever installed a satellite dish on a chimney? Is it advisable?

Can be done, but I think there are recommendations about using "lashings" instead of bolting it to the chimney. Suggest you post in the Satellite Forum and some of the installers there will assist.

glimmerman123

Deedsie wrote: »

The tv will be set up in Nenagh town. Not exactly near the lake, but it's a closeby geographical feature I thought might affect reception.

I live in Nenagh town and i am picking up all RTE DTT channels from Maghera on channel 48 on my Panasonic idtv. So you should not have any problems picking up a signal from Maghera providing you are using the correct group type aerial.

Deedsie

glimmerman123 wrote: »

I live in Nenagh town and i am picking up all RTE DTT channels from Maghera on channel 48 on my Panasonic idtv. So you should not have any problems picking up a signal from Maghera providing you are using the correct group type aerial.

Sound Glimmerman, can you confirm that the group c/d UHF aerial works for Maghera in Nenagh.

I'll check the sat forum for the satellite dish installation, thanks?

Deedsie

Could someone tell me, with the fact that RTÉ 2 has now moved to HD, will it be possible to watch it on an old style tv through the edision argus box? Or will I have to have a hd ready/full hd tv to tune it in?

watty

Any "proper" HD receiver box down samples for the SCART connector.

I've been recommending for some while that people gewtting Freesat/FTA UK TV should get a "Freesat HD" box for that reason, even if they don't have an HDTV.

Also the quality of ACTUAL HD, down sampleed on non-HDTV can be better than SD feed. It's to do with Nyquist and Sampling. This is why DVDs made by down sampling higher resolution scan are better quality than a live camera that is not HD.

When ALL production, inc all cameras is HD, the regular TV quality will improve.

Deedsie

watty wrote: »

Any "proper" HD receiver box down samples for the SCART connector.

I've been recommending for some while that people gewtting Freesat/FTA UK TV should get a "Freesat HD" box for that reason, even if they don't have an HDTV.

Also the quality of ACTUAL HD, down sampleed on non-HDTV can be better than SD feed. It's to do with Nyquist and Sampling. This is why DVDs made by down sampling higher resolution scan are better quality than a live camera that is not HD.

When ALL production, inc all cameras is HD, the regular TV quality will improve.

So would you recommend something other than the edision argus?

glimmerman123

Deedsie wrote: »

Sound Glimmerman, can you confirm that the group c/d UHF aerial works for Maghera in Nenagh.

I'll check the sat forum for the satellite dish installation, thanks?

Apologies Deedsie for not getting back to you sooner. When i moved into my house a few years back i had to get an installer to install a uhf aerial for TV3 and TG4 so i don't know what group type aerial it is. Sorry i can't help any further but i do hope you get sorted soon.

Sponge Bob

A new transmitter will go live in Kilduff on the Offaly/Tipp border quite soon, email RTENL to find out precisely when. It will be a better bet in some of N Tipp.

Deedsie

glimmerman123 wrote: »

Apologies Deedsie for not getting back to you sooner. When i moved into my house a few years back i had to get an installer to install a uhf aerial for TV3 and TG4 so i don't know what group type aerial it is. Sorry i can't help any further but i do hope you get sorted soon.

Thanks for that GM. I'll get it sorted over the christmas holidays. Just reasearching what I need to order and how to set it up.

Deedsie

Sponge Bob wrote: »

A new transmitter will go live in Kilduff on the Offaly/Tipp border quite soon, email RTENL to find out precisely when. It will be a better bet in some of N Tipp.

Well Nenagh is closer to Clare border than Offaly so hopefully Maghera will be ok for me! Do you know if it will be a group c/d aerial that will be required for kilduff?

Deedsie

http://www.powercity.ie/?par=10-12-32V581

If I was to buy the above television, would there be any need for the edision?

STB

Well if you are happy with your current TV then the edision is fine.

You cant record with a TV......

Deedsie

STB wrote: »

You cant record with a TV......

thats a great point

Deedsie

Its a shame the edision doesnt come with mheg5. If the tv you had came with mheg 5 would that allow you use the interactive text???

I want to buy a 32" lcd hd wall mountable tv. i have bout €350 to spend. is the tv in lidl the best value at thiss price?

STB

No Combo box will have MHEG5. It takes over the menu system.

MHEG5 will be used for fancy teletext (with adverts).

It is also highly likely that the EPG will be built on MHEG5. This is a list of programs info start times etc.

TVs also have their own built in EPGs that they populate from data sent over the air (its call Event Information Table data).

So MHEG5 is not the be all and end all.

The LIDL TV - also has CI+. Besides that it fulfills the requirements. But its not certified with the Saorview Logo.

The Walkers in Power City are. Do I think the Walker Tvs are good. I dont know. They are not a big brand name. Would that scare you off ?

There are plenty of TVs whilst not having the Saorview logo fulfill the reception requirements. Look at powercitys website. They have Tv labelled as Irish Digital TV ready. Thats some claim given that they arent offcially certified. I would be of the opinion that you have a definite comeback if there are any problems in that case. They have sony's phillips etc at that price labelled as such. Look at their website.

If you are in the market for a TV, then get the TV and get a HD Combo box later for recording.

The Ferguson Ariva HD Combo is €169. It allows you to watch DTT record Satellite and vice versa (with a small hard drive connected).

rurs

Deedsie wrote: »

Its a shame the edision doesnt come with mheg5. If the tv you had came with mheg 5 would that allow you use the interactive text???

Yes, you connect a cable from the antenna out on the combo box to antenna in on the TV. You'll then have Saorview channels on both, plus MHEG5 on TV. Like you might have done in the past, with the aerial going into a VCR, and looped on to the TV.

Deedsie

I want to buy a 32" lcd hd wall mountable tv. i have bout €350 to spend. is the tv in lidl the best value at thiss price?

Also what is the best box to buy that can pick up the freesat channels and Saorview channels in one box. Is it a freeview HD box?

I think i might buy the box first and then buy a new tv down the line.

watty

no. Powercity has some marginally better value. Free delivery.


No. Freeview HD is only via aerial

See other threads about Combo boxes. None are truely Freesat HD and Saorview, though they can receive both.

fat-tony

Powercity also have a Sony 32V5810 TV which has a Freesat tuner and Saorview compatible terrestrial tuner built in. It's €550 or thereabouts but saves you the cost of buying a box. Without a box you have no chance of recording capability, though.

watty

Some TVs can record via USB
Some may even have full PVR built in, but a PVR separate might be cheaper.

fat-tony

Not the Sony 32V5810;)

Deedsie

I think I am just going to get a combo box so, I can pick a tv up further down the line.

I plan to install a Group CD UHF Aerial and an old Sky Satellite dish over Christmas. I have a spare 500GB Hard Drive i dont really use.

What would be the best box i could buy for under €200 bearing in mind that i will be buying a 32" Saorview compatible TV down the line.

Watty, out of curiosity, which TV's in Power City are better value than the LIDL one? The LIDL TV's 3 year guarantee is what is encouraging me to buy it. But i would really appreciate to hear your reasons against it and your recommendations for a tv from Power City. You obviously know all there is to know about this kinda of thing, I would follow your judgement.

Sponge Bob

The Edision Argos es seem to be the favoured combi boxes under €200

watty

Most so called "guarantee" are with Maker and not worth the paper

Your contract is with the seller, the shop and TVs are expected to last 2 years minimum, if it fails within 2 years apart from physical damage (Lightening, bad generator, getting knocked over or chewed by dog are excluded) then the shop has to repair, replace or refund (their option).

Deedsie

watty wrote: »

Most so called "guarantee" are with Maker and not worth the paper

Your contract is with the seller, the shop and TVs are expected to last 2 years minimum, if it fails within 2 years apart from physical damage (Lightening, bad generator, getting knocked over or chewed by dog are excluded) then the shop has to repair, replace or refund (their option).

And that is the main reason you would stay away from that TV? Well its certainly a fair reason, and an eye opener for me. Ya i think i will get the edision Sponge Bob. It seems to be the best around, I just dont want to order it and then turn around and realise there is a better model available.

Deedsie

http://www.harveynorman.ie/samsung-32-inch-4-series-lcd-tv.html

Has anyone any information on this tv? Is it compatible with saorview?

Does this tv have a freeview tuner? Would I require a box?

http://www.atlantic2u.com/Product/SAMSUNG/TV_%26_Video/LE32C450E1/

watty

Deedsie wrote: »

And that is the main reason you would stay away from that TV? Well its certainly a fair reason, and an eye opener for me.

I never suggested that. I'm just suggesting that the alleged guarantee of any product is not a deciding factor.

fat-tony

Deedsie wrote: »

http://www.harveynorman.ie/samsung-32-inch-4-series-lcd-tv.html

Has anyone any information on this tv? Is it compatible with saorview?

Does this tv have a freeview tuner? Would I require a box?

http://www.atlantic2u.com/Product/SAMSUNG/TV_%26_Video/LE32C450E1/

Deedsie, you keep finding "HD ready" or "Freeview" TVs. Yes they are cheap, but they are cheap for a reason - old stock, obsolete, won't work with Saorview - you'll need a separate box with any of them. Check out the TVs in Power City and you'll get an idea of the prices for Saorview compatible units.

Deedsie

Sorry lads, I obviously am wrecking heads now. I have looked through all the power city 32" tv's. I see only one saorview certified tv for €299. http://www.powercity.ie/?par=10-12-WP3211
Loving that price. But is there a reason it's that cheap? There are 3 others under €370 I could just about manage, a samsung, a Sony and another walker that is not certified.

Which of those three in the your opinions is the best value?

fat-tony

Walker are the only brand name that have applied (to date) for Saorview certification. If Power City advertise that a particular TV is "Irish DTT ready", then it will work on Saorview. Note I'm not pimping for them - just that they seem to have been pretty responsible and responsive about how they are advertising TV compatibility. There is plenty of information in the "sticky" thread on what TV models work with Irish DTT. http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056096032

Sponge Bob

Powercity are probably the closest to being "compliant" of all the brick n mortar retailers at this moment in time. Others are clearing rubbish out rapid as we speak. Powercity still have non compliant gear such as small combi dvd sets.

I would expect maybe two or three others to be "compliant" by the end of the year.

Deedsie

I am thinking of getting an installer in to put up the UHF aerial on the roof. I was thinking, while i am at it he may aswell install the dish. I was wondering what price do you think it would cost to install a dish, install a UHF aerial on the chimney and then have the two wires coming into a bedroom finishing off in one of the outlet plates? This is an old house, that its gonna be installed in. I know nothing about wiring through walls.

watty

About €200. Maybe €150 to €300 depending on difficulty.

The dish often does not need to be high, and can be easily accessible for maintainance via step ladder. Dish may require LNB replaced or repainted, or coax replaced. An aerial can last 30 years.

You should get Quad LNBF and four satellite IF cables to allow for easy expansion. Not much difference now, but up to €200 later if you don't.

Deedsie

I have a UHF aerial installed. Had to remove the old VHF or it was going to fall down.

I'm going to install the dish myself this week and pick up an Edision Argus box. They seem to be out of stock everywhere. Anyone know anyone who has them in stock and available?