WWE TLC Pre Show Thread *Spoilers*

JP Liz V1

Not sure which poster is the official one

JP Liz V1

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/spoilers-matches-stipulations-added-to-wwe-tlc-ppv-117889

The following matches were added to the upcoming WWE TLC pay-per view during this week's SmackDown, which was taped on Tuesday night in Norfolk, Virginia:

-Rey Mysterio vs. Alberto Del Rio (Ladder Match)
-Dolph Ziggler (c) vs. Kofi Kingston (Intercontinental Title)
-Edge vs. Kane (TLC Match)

Bounty Hunter

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/spoilers-matches-stipulations-added-to-wwe-tlc-ppv-117889

The following matches were added to the upcoming WWE TLC pay-per view during this week's SmackDown, which was taped on Tuesday night in Norfolk, Virginia:

-Rey Mysterio vs. Alberto Del Rio (Ladder Match)
-Dolph Ziggler (c) vs. Kofi Kingston (Intercontinental Title)
-Edge vs. Kane (TLC Match)

atleast the Raw main event should be fresh and new, add in a divas/tag match and a Danielson opener plus a rubber match for King Sheamus and John Morrison and youve got a ppv.

Gerard.C

The ladder match with Rey and Alberto should be brilliant. I hope edge doesnt beat Kane, he is becoming more and more irrelevant every time I see him

Loughc

Gerard.C wrote: »

The ladder match with Rey and Alberto should be brilliant. I hope edge doesnt beat Kane, he is becoming more and more irrelevant every time I see him

I think alot of that is down to Kane, he sucked the life out of the Undertaker in their recent feud and he's doing the same to Edge now.

Gerard.C

lockie1983 wrote: »

I think alot of that is down to Kane, he sucked the life out of the Undertaker in their recent feud and he's doing the same to Edge now.

I dunno I get a laugh at least out of Kane, the sick carry on out of him entertains me. Theres just something about Edge as a babyface in 2010 that doesnt really do it for me

parker kent

Gerard.C wrote: »

I dunno I get a laugh at least out of Kane, the sick carry on out of him entertains me. Theres just something about Edge as a babyface in 2010 that doesnt really do it for me

Edge is a born heel, he just is not as good as a face. The Rated R gimmick is much more suited to a cocky, cowardly heel too.

Gerard.C

parker kent wrote: »

Edge is a born heel, he just is not as good as a face. The Rated R gimmick is much more suited to a cocky, cowardly heel too.

Completely agree with ya, but I honestly think the rated R gimmick has run its course. He could do with a bit of a change, hes has gone a bit stale imo. Still a great wrestler obviously

Rjd2

lockie1983 wrote: »

I think alot of that is down to Kane, he sucked the life out of the Undertaker in their recent feud and he's doing the same to Edge now.

The Kane championship reign is one of the worst things Vince has allowed for years in the E. The guy has been working horrific matches non stop since he got the title and his promo's are utterly ****ing awful. The talentless hack thinks that looking constipated and ranting and raving about vengance is good TV. **** him. Hopefully Edge gets the belt as at least him as Champ we would get some good matches. Kane has sucked all the life out of Smackdown in the last few months, the useless hack has got his pity reign (despite having very few good matches in his whole career) hopefully he retires in the next few months and never comes back.

I HATE KANE I REALLY DO!

Rjd2

On a slightly less hysterical note, that Rey poster is immense, best they have done in yonks.

irish_stevo815

Rjd2 wrote: »

On a slightly less hysterical note, that Rey poster is immense, best they have done in yonks.

LOL, I wonder if the use of stick-men is some sort of messgae for anti-steroids in WWE :eek:

Jolt2007

I want Miz/Lawler II!!!!!!!

parker kent

Gerard.C wrote: »

Completely agree with ya, but I honestly think the rated R gimmick has run its course. He could do with a bit of a change, hes has gone a bit stale imo. Still a great wrestler obviously

It has gone stale alright, I agree there. I wonder if the injuries have taken their toll too. He has not had many memorable matches in a long time. Maybe a more serious heel role like Jericho's might suit him?

CMpunked

Anyone else notice that the start of the little stickman promo has a little guy wearing a juan cena style mask?

CMpunked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_9sOHkrzcI

about 5 seconds in.

The Volt

What's gonna be on top of the Mysterio/Del Rio ladder? A burrito? :pac:

jaykhunter

Voltwad wrote: »

What's gonna be on top of the Mysterio/Del Rio ladder? A burrito? :pac:

irish_stevo815

CMpunked wrote: »

Anyone else notice that the start of the little stickman promo has a little guy wearing a juan cena style mask?

:eek: Eh, Rey Mysterio maybe

JP Liz V1

The Miz will defend the WWE Title against Randy Orton in a Tables Match at the TLC PPV

paddyismaddy

del rio v rey will be the top match for me

JP Liz V1

The official theme song for WWE’s Tables, Ladders & Chairs pay-per-view is “Na Na Na” by My Chemical Romance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egG7fiE89IU

JP Liz V1

The following is the most up-to-date card for WWE's TLC PPV taking place on December 19th:

-The Miz (c) vs Randy Orton in a Tables Match for the WWE Title.

-Kane (c) vs Edge in a Tables, Ladders & Chairs match for the WWE World Title.

-Rey Mysterio vs Alberto Del Rio in a Chairs Match.

-King Sheamus vs John Morrison in a Ladder Match to Determine the Number 1 Contender to the WWE Title.

-Beth Phoenix and Natalya vs LayCool in a Tables Match.

-John Cena vs Wade Barrett in a Chairs Match.

-Dolph Ziggler (c) vs Kofi Kingston vs Jack Swagger in a Triple Threat Ladder Match For The Intercontinental Title.

CMpunked

Is a chair match just a match that chairs are legal?

J. Marston

I find the whole Cena/Barrett story a bit silly.
Barrett fires Cena, Cena just continues to show up at raw, Barrett then decides to rehire him and fight him again at TLC.
It actually seems like a botched storyline, its just weird.

That triple threat match for the Intercontinental Title could steal the show though, could be some great spots in that.

And finally, what the FÚCK is a ''chairs'' match?

JP Liz V1

CMpunked wrote: »

Is a chair match just a match that chairs are legal?

I'd say that the use of chairs is legal in the match

CMpunked

J. Marston wrote: »

I find the whole Cena/Barrett story a bit silly.
Barrett fires Cena, Cena just continues to show up at raw, Barrett then decides to rehire him and fight him again at TLC.
It actually seems like a botched storyline, its just weird.

Exactly. If he had've given a proper reason for having a match with him on sunday then fair enough.
But Cena will get the win and that will be that. End of rivalry.

That triple threat match for the Intercontinental Title could steal the show though, could be some great spots in that.

Agreed. The sheamus/JoMo match should be pretty good also.

Machismo Fan

Gimmick overload to the extent that you'd feel sorry for the main events as the fans will already have seen it all by the time they get to them.

D2D

A diva tag team tables match?? WTF???

Gimmick overkill

Machismo Fan

Dare_2_defy wrote: »

A diva tag team tables match?? WTF???

Apparently it's WWE's response to the Tara/Mickie James cage match on iMPACT!.

Bounty Hunter

Pwtorch is reporting that the sd main event & the del rio/mysterio havebeen scraped in favour of a fatal 4 way for the title between those 4 men.

Should def be a better title match th mystery/del rio would have been decent. Would like if this was used as a way to put the belt on del rio but I doubt it.

jaykhunter

Machismo Fan wrote: »

Apparently it's WWE's response to the Tara/Mickie James cage match on iMPACT!.

For shame. WWE reacting to TNA.

Lord TSC

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

Pwtorch is reporting that the sd main event & the del rio/mysterio havebeen scraped in favour of a fatal 4 way for the title between those 4 men.

Should def be a better title match th mystery/del rio would have been decent. Would like if this was used as a way to put the belt on del rio but I doubt it.

Would like to see it to. He could carry it to the Rumble or Chamber before they give it to whoever needs it for Mania...

CMpunked

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Would like to see it to. He could carry it to the Rumble or Chamber before they give it to whoever needs it for Mania...

imagine if this "youth revolution" meant that the likes of del rio and the miz were going into mania as champions. Regardless of opponent?

JP Liz V1

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

Pwtorch is reporting that the sd main event & the del rio/mysterio havebeen scraped in favour of a fatal 4 way for the title between those 4 men.

Should def be a better title match th mystery/del rio would have been decent. Would like if this was used as a way to put the belt on del rio but I doubt it.

Now that sounds like a great main event

parker kent

Are the people in favour of Del Rio as champion basing it solely on his character? I have not seen too much from him in the ring. He reminds me of Barrett, A+ character and C+ in-ring action. I think it is far, far too soon to put a title on him.

Lord TSC

CMpunked wrote: »

imagine if this "youth revolution" meant that the likes of del rio and the miz were going into mania as champions. Regardless of opponent?

Meh, they won't. I would almost garuntee that either HHH or Sheamus will go into Mania as WWE Champ, and that Kane will go into Mania as WHC.

Are the people in favour of Del Rio as champion basing it solely on his character? I have not seen too much from him in the ring. He reminds me of Barrett, A+ character and C+ in-ring action. I think it is far, far too soon to put a title on him.

What I've seen of his inring abilities impress me tbh. He's not amazing but he's quite good with a real presence about him. Regardless, he's been operating on just under the ME level since his debut now and a bump up with a defence at the Rumble and then a loss at EC would do him no damage if booked right.

JP Liz V1

parker kent wrote: »

Are the people in favour of Del Rio as champion basing it solely on his character? I have not seen too much from him in the ring. He reminds me of Barrett, A+ character and C+ in-ring action. I think it is far, far too soon to put a title on him.

He is way better than Barrett in the ring IMO - check out his matches with Rey

parker kent

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

He is way better than Barrett in the ring IMO - check out his matches with Rey

I have watched them. That is what I am basing my views on. Yes he is better than Barrett. The Barrett example was just a way of comparing him to someone else who has a main event character/promos but not the in-ring ability to match. I'm not saying he will never get there, but it would be far too soon in my view. It is a shame that the Intercontinental title is not valued enough any more. In olden times, he would have had a run with it to test him.

That being said, Cena is atrocious in-ring and has been a main eventer for years. Ditto Hogan, Warrior and many, many others in WWF/E history!

DM_7

parker kent wrote: »

I have watched them. That is what I am basing my views on. Yes he is better than Barrett. The Barrett example was just a way of comparing him to someone else who has a main event character/promos but not the in-ring ability to match. I'm not saying he will never get there, but it would be far too soon in my view. It is a shame that the Intercontinental title is not valued enough any more. In olden times, he would have had a run with it to test him.

That being said, Cena is atrocious in-ring and has been a main eventer for years. Ditto Hogan, Warrior and many, many others in WWF/E history!

Eh no, sorry he is not atrocious.

Back to Del Rio, he is not some greenhorn. He has 10 years experience. I think its too soon to judge his in ring ability as inadequate. His WWE in ring work to date was focused on getting his ruthless persona and submission move over rather than coming across as some technical wrestling genius.

Lord TSC

Eh no, sorry he is not atrocious.

1. His punches look horrendous.
2. His submission finisher looks like it has no pressure applied whatsoever.
3. He refuses to sell anything.

The only thing going for him happens to be the most improtant; he's got a connection with the main merch sellers. When you have that, I guess you can get away with being atrocious.

Anyway, watching Smackdown...why the hell isn't Kaval in the ladder match at TLC? He's already invovled in the feud anyway and could only add to it

parker kent

DM-ICE wrote: »

Eh no, sorry he is not atrocious.

Back to Del Rio, he is not some greenhorn. He has 10 years experience. I think its too soon to judge his in ring ability as inadequate. His WWE in ring work to date was focused on getting his ruthless persona and submission move over rather than coming across as some technical wrestling genius.

I have two simple points. I think he has not been in the WWE long enough to deserve the title. He has made a good first impression, but an early title reign is often detrimental. It also eliminates the drama of the chase if somebody comes straight in and gets a World Title. I know he would be getting the second tier World Title, but it is still too soon IMO.

Also I have not seen anything in-ring from him to make him stand out. He is being spoken of in glowing terms by many here, but the only thing he has excelled at has been his promos and demeanor. I didn't call him a greenhorn nor did I say he had to be technical wrestling genius. That is putting words in my mouth. I just have not seen anything in the ring to warrant the amount of praise he is getting. That is not the same as saying he is inadequate. As everybody is well aware, it can be extremely difficult to stand out due to style of wrestling the the WWE favour.

Before anybody jumps on that last point, I am not calling for an all out switch to ROH, Japanese or original ECW style action either! Just some variation from punch/kick main eventers would be nice! And Cena sucks

DM_7

parker kent wrote: »

I have two simple points. I think he has not been in the WWE long enough to deserve the title. He has made a good first impression, but an early title reign is often detrimental.

I agree he is not there long enough to deserve the title on based on the normal way someone earns that spot.

parker kent wrote: »

Are the people in favour of Del Rio as champion basing it solely on his character? I have not seen too much from him in the ring. He reminds me of Barrett, A+ character and C+ in-ring action. I think it is far, far too soon to put a title on him.

I will try again by directly answering your original post.

No, It is not just on his character but also his background that makes me believe he is championship material. He is a ten year pro.

I think one of the reasons we have not seen too much from him in the ring is because his on screen time was not focused on having big time TV matches. His matches were about getting certain elements of his character over. Personally I have seen enough to make me think he has plenty more to offer in the ring.

He has money making abilities as his heel persona has been played brilliantly and a championship run would be deserved (in my eyes) even though he not around that long in WWE.

The other thing I factored in was the alternative Heel Champions only Kane and Swagger spring to mind. Kane is terrible, Swagger needs to be built back up, there are no other real options!

DM_7

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

1. His punches look horrendous.
2. His submission finisher looks like it has no pressure applied whatsoever.
3. He refuses to sell anything.

The only thing going for him happens to be the most improtant; he's got a connection with the main merch sellers. When you have that, I guess you can get away with being atrocious.

Anyway, watching Smackdown...why the hell isn't Kaval in the ladder match at TLC? He's already invovled in the feud anyway and could only add to it

I'm Not getting into that, it been done to death,

I will link this post by SlickRic from a Cena v Batista Discussion last February, I would agree with Slick, Slicks Cena points can be inserted into pretty much any Cena related discussion.

Lord TSC

DM-ICE wrote: »

I'm Not getting into that, it been done to death,

I will link this post by SlickRic from a Cena v Batista Discussion last February, I would agree with Slick, Slicks Cena points can be inserted into pretty much any Cena related discussion.

Tbh, Slick's points are pretty much spot on, but his main jist seems to be that Cena is better than Batista. That's true (or it was for face Batista; not sure what time frame those posts were made in). He does point something out though; he seems booked not to sell moves (o hai Summerslam) so is it his fault? Probably not. It's the way he's booked there and I'd argue his booking is autrocious, as is evident with the shoddy way they rushed the Nexus angle. The punches thing he agrees with and is a major thing. And there's no mention of the NPSTF.

Cena can be good sometimes, when he's forced to be or has someone good with him. But his wrestling skills are non-existant, or are shown to be non-existant, since all he does is about five moves (one or two of which look dreadful), no sells all over the place and alienates older fans with some really immature burials. If he is better than he appears to be, it's not my fault my opinion is therefore the way it is.

Lord TSC

Looking forward to the show now. Love ladder matches so will probably love the show

Dohnny Jepp

parker kent wrote: »

That being said, Cena is atrocious in-ring and has been a main eventer for years. Ditto Hogan, Warrior and many, many others in WWF/E history!

starviewadams

Anybody else buying this?

Bought Survivor Series last month (23 quid down the drain!) and swore blind that the only PPV's that I'm ever paying for again would be Mania and the Rumble.But the fatal 4 way tlc and triple threat ladder matches as well as Shamo vs Morrison have piqued my interest and am strongly thinking of ordering it!

Lord TSC

I order them all anyway

Thinking about it, I can see Sheamus beating JoMo tonight, winning the title at The Rumble and HHH making a surprise return to win the Rumble, leading to them main eventing Mania

Rjd2

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I order them all anyway

Thinking about it, I can see Sheamus beating JoMo tonight, winning the title at The Rumble and HHH making a surprise return to win the Rumble, leading to them main eventing Mania

The Miz is a lock to win his match I reckon, so its unlikely they would do a heel v heel match at the Rumble. I reckon Morrison wins tonight with a mental stunt or Hunter interfering.

I reckon they will stack the Rumble with as many stars as possible.

parker kent

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

The Ultimate Warrior was probably one of the worst in-ring performers to main event for the WWF, not sure why you are confused!

OT, in two minds whether to stay up for the full show or if I should watch it tomorrow. I love ladder matches, so I'm being drawn towards a 5 hour sleep!

Mr.Nice Guy

So the myth that Cena can't wrestle is still being peddled? Despite the fact he's had some of the company's most memorable matches this year, including helping Barrett to a good PPV match, as well as a widely praised WM match with Batista? I'd expect that kind of ignorance on the comments section of Youtube but not here. Speaking of Youtube, go back and look at Cena's rookie matches when he first started in the company and compare it to the Nexus rookies of today. It makes for a pleasant surprise. Clearly he is now working a style that he is comfortable with, which is safe, and which the majority of the audience digs. To me that shows intelligence.

Anyway back to the PPV, I think Hunter could well cost Sheamus the win. I don't see Miz losing the belt so if Morrison wins then we know what's happening. I reckon the IC title match could steal the show if given time.