HR FAVOUR WOMEN??

TheDudez

Just recently graduated with a masters in HR management and most of the ladies in my year have all found jobs and the guys who have the exact same qualifications are struggling to even get an interview.
SO what im wondering is do HR departments in organisations favour hiring girls instead of guys??
I know we are in a recession but there are still some jobs out there just seems like women are more favoured for HR than guys!!
Would like to know what peoples opinions are because im after studying hard to get a masters in HR and to be overlooked because of my gender for jobs is just not right!!:rolleyes:

Stheno

I'd have two queries here.

1. Are the women in your course perhaps better skilled in terms of communications/maturity?

2. Have any of the guys you know who don't have a job gone for a job where the girls in your class got it? Were any sexist questions asked?

And in my experience, HR is dominated by women, but weirdly most heads of HR are male as are their second in command, so they had to start somewhere.

In a way your thread is a bit like a woman qualified in IT asking if IT Departments prefer men.

Imo the answer to your and the question I've posed above is no, both sectors are simply dominated by one gender, and it can be harder to get into that sector if you are the gender in the minority. That's just my opinion, I'm female and my last job in IT (I'm currently unemployed) was working with 15 blokes, the job before that was 75% male etc etc

TheDudez

No the ladies and guys in my course are all pretty smart ppl and good communicators nor better qualified than each other,after all it was a masters!! ,actually some older guys have done the course with recruitment and HR experience and are still struggling to find positions.
HR seems to be dominated by women as is IT by men.

Its just I think when hiring HR graduates organisations may tend to favour girls ahead of guys which I think is very unfair because they both have the same qualification and for someone to study hard and spend so much money on a postgraduate course the system is really unfair.

Stheno

Have you compared c.v.'s?

Hard to know the difference tbh, I'm going for a job interview Monday against two other candidates based very much on experience, gender shouldn't come into it, it's all down to rapport and communication skills and it's an IT job.

Unless you can prove real discrimination then you are stuck with how it is, I have experienced on case of discrimination in the IT field and when offered the job refused it on that basis. The hiring manager lost his job shortly as I reported my experience to the company's HR Department.

heavyballs

TheDudez wrote: »

Just recently graduated with a masters in HR management and most of the ladies in my year have all found jobs and the guys who have the exact same qualifications are struggling to even get an interview.
SO what im wondering is do HR departments in organisations favour hiring girls instead of guys??
I know we are in a recession but there are still some jobs out there just seems like women are more favoured for HR than guys!!
Would like to know what peoples opinions are because im after studying hard to get a masters in HR and to be overlooked because of my gender for jobs is just not right!!:rolleyes:

the wife is in HR,has been for years,can remeber a few men who worked with her but mostly women
the men were there mostly just to recruit,she says the admin side is so great that women seem to be better at that
that said if she's looking for an assistant she'll go on cv's,end of.
she's had a few head hunts lately which she says is a great sign that HR is starting to pick up again,so best of luck

TheDudez

Yes i really hope it picks up soon cause i have over 4 years exp working as a recruiter and id hate to think doing a masters in hr management was a complete waste of time!
Dont really want to go back onto recruitment really looking got a career in HR!

Best of luck with your interview next week!

Stheno

TheDudez wrote: »

Yes i really hope it picks up soon cause i have over 4 years exp working as a recruiter and id hate to think doing a masters in hr management was a complete waste of time!
Dont really want to go back onto recruitment really looking got a career in HR!

Best of luck with your interview next week!

Thank you

From my jobhunting this past few weeks, there are a fair few IT Agencies looking for junior recruitors if you are interested?

www.irishjobs.ie then industry IT, then keywords recruiter.

Good luck to yourself!

TheDudez

Yes thanks stenho not really looking for a recruitment job but might have to go back to it in these tough times!

Would like to get into HR but maybe im just not what organisations are looking for but hey il keep trying!!:)

heavyballs

TheDudez wrote: »

Yes thanks stenho not really looking for a recruitment job but might have to go back to it in these tough times!

Would like to get into HR but maybe im just not what organisations are looking for but hey il keep trying!!:)

at long last companies are beginning to cop on to the fact that investing in HR makes a lot of sence in the longrun,legislation is getting tighter so everything needs to be air tight regarding all aspects of the workplace

donkey balls

Hi OP during my career all of the HR people that i dealth with both as a manager/employee were female never once did I come across a male HR head.
You never know you could be the first just keep on trying the Airline industry for years was heavily dominated by male pilots then the females started to creep through.
Actually the HR person who interveiwed my mate for an airline job was a guy:eek: so keep on trying.

3DataModem

(With apologies to mods and members)

Jimmy Carr describes HR as the "girl sciences"...

TheDudez

Thanks guys really hope the last 12 months or so studying a masters in Hr was a waste of time when evidiently HR managers tend to take on only females!! Wonder is it just an Irish thing!

The_Morrigan

I don't know if its an Irish thing or not, but I know in the company I work for there was a shift from an all female team (5/6 in total) to having a reduced team of 3 (1 girl/2 boys) because at one point in time the whole HR dept was on maternity leave..

But chin up the last guy to be hired here in hr was a grad straight outta college - none of the females who applied were hired.

Diom

To be fair I don't think that the situation is comparable with "IT" or other technical areas for a few reasons
Women tech grads are usually snapped up pretty quick becuase it looks good for the company to have female tech workers, and they bring different qualities that may be lacking in a male dominated role. A good mix of gender is important for effective team work and comms.

The lack of females in technical roles is more due to the fact that they do not enter the field.

Otis Driftwood

I think HR is more geared to women.I know a girl that went for a job with a well known Irish company for a HR admin role,she had no experience aside from some general office admin stuff,had no qualifications whatsoever but still got the job ahead of much better qualified people.I have a degree in HR myself but gave up trying to get into it over 2 years ago.The one thing with a HR qualification it gives a brilliant base for management positions in the future,thats what Im aiming for anyway.

Cuddlesworth

They clearly do. I think we have a ratio of 10:1 here, similar in other places I have seen. Wouldn't want to work in a HR department anyway, they would eat their own to advance the tiniest bit. The good ones get burnt out by the bad.

Mrs OBumble

Stheno wrote: »

Have you compared c.v.'s?

Also, have you compared salary expectations?

Women, on average, earn less than men, so maybe the women on your course were prepared to work for less.

Also, if the men on your course were older, it could have been that rather than their gender that counted against them.

If anything, men usually have an advantage in the illegal-discrimination stakes because they're unlikely to want maternity leave.

Cavehill Red

HR = Harridan Ring. No men need apply generally.

My OH got a job once in HR in a top Irish uni. No experience in the field whatsoever. They actually bragged to her afterwards that she'd been hired because they didn't want a fella around the place.

TheDudez

Yo man was that top college ??? by any chance i know someone who worked in their HR dept for a while!!

Cavehill Red

Let's just leave it as 'a top Irish Uni', shall we?

I suspect they're all quite similar in this regard in any case.

TheDudez

Ha yes i Guess my mate had a similiar experience some of the staff weren't too friendly to him at all!!
They wouldn't even chat to him didnt want him there at all!!
I hope all hr depts aren't like that

RATM

I too was looking for a job in HR recently. I have a relation in one of the big four consultancies. I asked him to let the HR manger know I have a Masters in HRM and I'd like to send her my CV. She sent a message back saying 'sorry, nothing is available right now though we could do with a bloke around the place- the department is full of women'....and that was coming from a woman !

HR is female dominated for sure. I see HR as a hybrid between having business acumen and having social care skills which is why it might be that so many women are attracted to the profession.
I think the fact HR managers tend to be male (IME) a lot of the time might just come from discrimination from maternity leave. I know it is not fair but if a woman has 3 kids and takes 18 months off work during her 30's then the chances of her making it to HR manager probably go down substantially. Taking maternity leave and being 'out of the loop' at a stage of your career when promotions are available can be detrimental to progress in an organisation. Thats my take on it, I'm open to correction.

TheDudez

Excellent points there it just can be really difficult to break into HR at present so many unemployed hr ppl out there with good experience im hoping that 2011 brings more opportunies.
Its just a bad time of year to be looking for a job and also their is so much uncertainty on the Irish economy at the moment!

royston_vasey

am i the only one who thinks it's ironic that somebody with a masters in HR is asking the general boards public if there is a gender bias in the hiring of HR staff? :rolleyes:

Scambuster

royston_vasey wrote: »

am i the only one who thinks it's ironic that somebody with a masters in HR is asking the general boards public if there is a gender bias in the hiring of HR staff? :rolleyes:

No. It's a nonsense job really so no surprise there.

TheDudez

Scambuster thanks u just made my day!! so intellectual

fat__tony

A masters in HR???

*sniggers*

TheDudez

:D:D Ah FAT TONY so What's your Master's in?
Please oh please share your wisdom????:pac::pac::pac::cool::cool::cool:

Mrs OBumble

Just a little moderaterly warning:

Am not overly happy with the "nonsense job" and sniggering bits: please don't let this thread degenerate into personal abuse or we'll have to do tedious things like locking and banning.

Whatever we may personally think of the performance of some HR employees, the HR function (maximising the overall performance of a company's human capital, IMHO) is as important as getting performance out of the equipment, marketing budget etc. And HR are the folks who pay everyone, which makes 'em important anyway.

/moderaterly-bit.

I once worked with a company that deliberately had no HR team: just payroll to do the paying, and took the view that managers were responsible for their own staff. Caused no end of problems, because individual managers were inconsistent and untrained, and the company spent a lot of time going to the Labour Court. I'd rather have HR than no HR any way.

fat__tony

JustMary wrote: »

Just a little moderaterly warning:

Am not overly happy with the "nonsense job" and sniggering bits: please don't let this thread degenerate into personal abuse or we'll have to do tedious things like locking and banning.

Whatever we may personally think of the performance of some HR employees, the HR function (maximising the overall performance of a company's human capital, IMHO) is as important as getting performance out of the equipment, marketing budget etc. And HR are the folks who pay everyone, which makes 'em important anyway.

/moderaterly-bit.

I once worked with a company that deliberately had no HR team: just payroll to do the paying, and took the view that managers were responsible for their own staff. Caused no end of problems, because individual managers were inconsistent and untrained, and the company spent a lot of time going to the Labour Court. I'd rather have HR than no HR any way.

Oh please, I've never heard such bull**** in all my life.

My current employer doesn't have a HR person and the place is exceptionally well run, employees are happy, and everyone communicates with each other from the admin assistant to MD.

HR people are glorified recruitment consultants in my opinion and are a drain on most company's.

Secondly, If the OP can't handle a bit of slagging about his chosen career then I don't know how he'll cope in the real world.

Christ it's typical of the Stalinesque regime on this place. Do you ever read back some of the bull**** you moderators actually post? It's embarrassing.

heavyballs

fat__tony wrote: »

Oh please, I've never heard such bull**** in all my life.

My current employer doesn't have a HR person and the place is exceptionally well run, employees are happy, and everyone communicates with each other from the admin assistant to MD.

HR people are glorified recruitment consultants in my opinion and are a drain on most company's.

all i can say is you haven't got a clue what your on about

hr is more important now than ever before,you're company must be small

i can tell you factually that any company that comes up against the Employee tribunal that doesn't have any HR person hasn't got a chance of winning the case

there are a lot of other parts of the job aside from recruiting

HR gives great value too,there are some parts of running a company that needs the HR expertise,to contract jobs such as Employee handbooks,inductions etc,some of which are compulsory can cost a lot

you really need to wake up,actually no....you need to go to bed.....

fat__tony

heavyballs wrote: »

all i can say is you haven't got a clue what your on about

hr is more important now than ever before,you're company must be small

i can tell you factually that any company that comes up against the Employee tribunal that doesn't have any HR person hasn't got a chance of winning the case

there are a lot of other parts of the job aside from recruiting

HR gives great value too,there are some parts of running a company that needs the HR expertise,to contract jobs such as Employee handbooks,inductions etc,some of which are compulsory can cost a lot

you really need to wake up,actually no....you need to go to bed.....

I'm in Canada you clown and from what I've seen HR people aren't used here.

Eoin

fat__tony wrote: »

I'm in Canada you clown and from what I've seen HR people aren't used here.

Cool it please, don't get personal.

RATM

fat__tony wrote: »

I'm in Canada you clown and from what I've seen HR people aren't used here.

750 Human Resources jobs currently available in Canada, clearly you need to open your eyes.

http://www.jobbank.gc.ca/res-eng.aspx?SearchType=Noc&ProvId=99&Keyword=human+resources&Category=0013,%200014,%200015,%200112,%200114,%201121,%201223,%201241,%201442,%202141,%204162&OfferpPage=50&Student=No

Bandana boy

I think HR should be a very important function.
Most company's I have experienced could do with some strategic Hiring strategy's at levels below senior executives I really believe HR have a role to play in a company's culture which is a huge factor in its profitability.
That said particularly in Ireland I find the standard of HR Quite low ,and most HR roles even managers in Ireland appear to be glorified admin positions.

Many years ago in a review with my boss ,who was a Ops manager at the time asked me about my future and where I saw it going ,when I asked him at the end about where he saw his future he said HR Manager .
I was shocked asked him why ,he was more senior than the HR Manager in my eyes. His reply -The HR manager is always one of the highest paid roles in any company and nobody works less for that money than the HR Manager.They have most of the perks with hardly any of the stress.

TheDudez

Fat_tony ur really embarassing urself on here, gave me a good laugh!!:D:D
:pac:

fat__tony

TheDudez wrote: »

Fat_tony ur really embarassing urself on here, gave me a good laugh!!:D:D
:pac:

I was just doing a spot of fishing old chap, it seems i got a few bites.