Mercedes C63 vs BMW M3 vs Audi RS5!

Mc Love

I will take the C63 please, love yer mans quote at the end:

Its like inviting a DJ to your birthday party, the music is too loud, the neighbours will get angry...and you'll be all out of beer. But you will have a hell of a birthday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZizEExZtzc

bmw535d

why the **** have they the m3 instead of the m5?

EDIT: still was the fastest with smallest engine:D

Mc Love

I thought it was strange having the C63 as the other two are coupe's

ofcork

M3 is the c63 main rival they should have had rs4 instead of s5 although the old rs4 is outclassed by the c63 and m3.

bmw535d

ofcork wrote: »

M3 is the c63 main rival they should have had rs4 instead of s5 although the old rs4 is outclassed by the c63 and m3.

surely the main rival of mercs should be something around a 4.0 liter?

Mc Love

bmw535d wrote: »

why the **** have they the m3 instead of the m5?

EDIT: still was the fastest with smallest engine:D

Wasnt that with the launch control though?

peasant

all I can say is:


WHITE SUNGLASSES ... wtf?

bmw535d

Mc Love wrote: »

Wasnt that with the launch control though?

and the lack of 4wd ffs, Audi should have had two lengths at the start with its wonderful awd,lol

EDIT: audi also has 30 more bhp, and it was still smoked by a rwd less powerfull smaller engined BMW.

tossy

bmw535d wrote: »

and the lack of 4wd ffs, Audi should have had two lengths at the start with its wonderful awd,lol

EDIT: audi also has 30 more bhp, and it was still smoked by a rwd less powerfull smaller engined BMW.

I'm shocked and stunned to discover user BMW535d is so vehemently pro BMW

ofcork

The c63 and m3 are always compared as both are v8 the merc a 6.2 the bmw a 4.0 and the audi is a 4.2 v8.

bmw535d

tossy wrote: »

I'm shocked and stunned to discover user BMW535d is so vehemently pro BMW

and why wouldn't i be pro BMW? your easily shocked.

bmw535d

ofcork wrote: »

The c63 and m3 are always compared as both are v8 the merc a 6.2 the bmw a 4.0 and the audi is a 4.2 v8.

my point is the merc has 2.2 more liters the audi is a 4.2 with awd, and the bmw still proved its self against these unfair comparison rivals, that tells me something anyway.

hairyman

All three are very nice.

I still think a used Maserati Quattroporte would tickle my fancy more,,,:D

ofcork

Id agree with you though i am a merc fan that engine in the c63 is well down on bhp because in the s63 etc its making 520 bhp its kept down around 460 in the c63.

MarkN

I'd say the M3 is still the better car. I've no doubt the RS5 is a beast in a straight line but something tells me the M3 would handle better. I miss mine everyday.

bmw535d

ofcork wrote: »

Id agree with you though i am a merc fan that engine in the c63 is well down on bhp because in the s63 etc its making 520 bhp its kept down around 460 in the c63.

so in both cases the merc can't even achieve anywhere near 100 bhp per liter wile both audi and BMW achieve more that 100 bhp per liter. the only thing merc have going for their engines is the noise.

bmw535d

MarkN wrote: »

I'd say the M3 is still the better car. I've no doubt the RS5 is a beast in a straight line but something tells me the M3 would handle better. I miss mine everyday.

and in this case the BMW is also a beast in a straight line as it creeps ahead of the audi after a standing start.

TCP/IP

Guys this is really easy to sort out. If you want to carry the wife, kids and dog get the C63 what a noise, if you want to pose and have people look at you get the RS5 it is a looker. If you want the car that people in the know look up to get the M3.

TCP/IP

On another note MarkN please start buying cars again you make me feel its alright to get these sort of machines

tossy

bmw535d wrote: »

and why wouldn't i be pro BMW? your easily shocked.

Jesus there is a serious lacki of sense of homour around this place lately,i was clearly taking the piss!

MarkN wrote: »

I'd say the M3 is still the better car. I've no doubt the RS5 is a beast in a straight line but something tells me the M3 would handle better. I miss mine everyday.

What you driving now Mark?

TCP/IP

MarkN wrote: »

I'd say the M3 is still the better car. I've no doubt the RS5 is a beast in a straight line but something tells me the M3 would handle better. I miss mine everyday.

Why you get rid Mark

ofcork

Have yet to see a c63 have seen a few m3s and rs5s.

MarkN

A very boring but nice E46 323ci. I'm out of the game for a while gents. Might look at an E46 M3 next year.

Got rid as I had my eye on a 2007 911 so I sold the M3 and soon realised the banks weren't interested in doing that top end stuff anymore. Not being a lotto winner or son of a Saudi oil baron, I went home with my tail firmly wedged.

Matt Simis

bmw535d wrote: »

my point is the merc has 2.2 more liters the audi is a 4.2 with awd, and the bmw still proved its self against these unfair comparison rivals, that tells me something anyway.

Comparing the RS5 vs the M3 is fine. The A5 is effectively positioned against the 3 series coupe. The RS5 isnt getting great reviews, but its still an excellent car, but meant to be a bit numb, but AWD and Audi's OTT power assist steering always is like that.
One could successfully argue however in a country with consistently crap damp weather and bad roads the Audi would always be the faster car except on those rare dry hot days. You ever been in a fast Audi?

ofcork wrote: »

Have yet to see a c63 have seen a few m3s and rs5s.

RS5s or just S5s? I would be surprised to see an RS5 in Ireland, possible but still very unusual.

TCP/IP

In all fairness no denying the Merc has terrible performance from such a huge displacement power plant. But you have to love that sound.
And having driven an S5, RS4, R8 there are lovely cars but have left me feeling a bit how do I say it meh

bmw535d

TCP/IP wrote: »

In all fairness no denying the Merc has terrible performance from such a huge displacement power plant. But you have to love that sound.
And having driven an S5, RS4, R8 there are lovely cars but have left me feeling a bit how do I say it meh

+1 merc blows them out of the water with the sound. thats about it, audi got the looks and nice output too but just don't seem to be able to do much with it. even on the track the BMW destroy's both

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaZExdTHHjY

hairyman

Another way to look at it is that the BMW was designed to be a fast sports saloon/coupe or tourer from the offset.

There is no denying that even the smaller 4 pots(diesels included) are still hugely fun and tactile to drive.
Merc and Audi's answer to the M3 was to simply overpower and/or add all wheel drive to what was is basically a soft flabby coupe/saloon or estate,yes I know they uprated brakes/transmision and suspension but if the the chassis was merely OK from the offset then they simply wont live with something like an M3 which was designed to be the best from the offset.

For me its why the M division of BMW works so well,they simply have the best possible platforms to start from.

While we are on the subject of fast saloon cars,any body remember the Lotus Carlton.

God I loved those things.

996tt

bmw535d wrote: »

why the **** have they the m3 instead of the m5?

EDIT: still was the fastest with smallest engine:D

M5 = RS6 & E63

M3 = RS5/4 & C63

derdider

For a track day - id take the BMW

In real life, where your not going to get to push these cars anyway - id take the Audi

Tea 1000

bmw535d wrote: »

my point is the merc has 2.2 more liters the audi is a 4.2 with awd, and the bmw still proved its self against these unfair comparison rivals, that tells me something anyway.

In the Top Gear test the Merc was quickest.
And don't get hung up on engine sizes, that's just the engine Mercedes uses in different states of tune. Only in Ireland do people worry about what size the engine is.
I'd take the Merc. Hate the looks of the RS5 from the b-pillar back, M3's are actually common now, no one will have the AMG! And it got excellent reviews when compared directly against the M3, with Autocar stating that it's steering was even a tiny bit better than the M3's, which is some compliment.
True the M3 is a better track car, but f**k it... if I had that kind of cash I'd have an Atom for the track anyway.

Geoff845

Matt Simis wrote: »

Comparing the RS5 vs the M3 is fine. The A5 is effectively positioned against the 3 series coupe. The RS5 isnt getting great reviews, but its still an excellent car, but meant to be a bit numb, but AWD and Audi's OTT power assist steering always is like that.
One could successfully argue however in a country with consistently crap damp weather and bad roads the Audi would always be the faster car except on those rare dry hot days. You ever been in a fast Audi?

RS5s or just S5s? I would be surprised to see an RS5 in Ireland, possible but still very unusual.

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Audi/RS5/4.2-V8-4/201030198995881/advert?channel=CARS

most impressive in dynamic mode, its an alcoholic on fuel though.