who should emigrate?

harrisrt2003

i am giving serious consideration whether to emigrate or not. my wages are going down and everything else is going up. i still have a job in construction, just about, but the prospects are not looking good for next year.i just got a mortgage a few months back but renting this out to cover the payments is no problem. i keep getting told by all my friends in oz that there is plenty of well paid jobs there. i heard someone on matt cooper say that he does not understand why anyone under 40 would stay in this country. im seriously looking for a bit of advice. any suggestions??:o

johnnyskeleton

Since you bought a house here, I assume your preference is to live here.

Also, I wouldn't give up an actual job for the promise of "plenty of well paid jobs".

So I wouldn't emigrate if I were you unless I lost my job and had no other choice.

seamus

harrisrt2003 wrote: »

i am giving serious consideration whether to emigrate or not. my wages are going down and everything else is going up. i still have a job in construction, just about, but the prospects are not looking good for next year.i just got a mortgage a few months back but renting this out to cover the payments is no problem. i keep getting told by all my friends in oz that there is plenty of well paid jobs there. i heard someone on matt cooper say that he does not understand why anyone under 40 would stay in this country. im seriously looking for a bit of advice. any suggestions??:o

In reality anyone who thinks that moving out of Ireland is the best thing to do is is propagating the same goldrush fallacy that got us into our current mess.
There may be plenty of well-paid jobs now, but what happens when the economy in Australia takes a bit of a dive, jobs dry up and visas can't be renewed?

If you're the kind of person who's happy to move around chasing the best job prospects and don't mind potentially having to up stakes every 5-10 years and move to a different country to find a new job, then by all means go for it.

I would be inclined to tell people to stop chasing the greener grass, unless living abroad is something you actually want to do, or unless you have zero prospects here. You'll get there, and yes you'll enjoy yourself. But at some point, the grass will look greener at home, or in the US or somewhere else. So what do you do then?

I'm under 30 and I'm staying here. Because (primarily) I have friends and family here, because people's individual circumstances aren't nearly as dire as the media would like to make out (people are still buying new cars and big-screen TVs), and because there is a way out of our current economic mess in the medium-term.

always12

and because there is a way out of our current economic mess in the medium-term.[/QUOTE]

Wow tell me more......

seamus

always12 wrote: »

Wow tell me more......

There are other more appropriate threads to discuss this, but if you think that it's not possible to have the economy in state of moderate growth and a healthy budget within five years, then you're more skeptical than the worst of them.

PeterIanStaker

Everyone who doesn't go to mass, vote FF and buy Independent Newspapers' rags should go.

It'll be far easier to preserve the status quo with all the intelligent/cynical people gone.

I'm probably gone in the new year, as work in my field is more available in the UK.

harrisrt2003

harrisrt2003 wrote: »

i am giving serious consideration whether to emigrate or not. my wages are going down and everything else is going up. i still have a job in construction, just about, but the prospects are not looking good for next year.i just got a mortgage a few months back but renting this out to cover the payments is no problem. i keep getting told by all my friends in oz that there is plenty of well paid jobs there. i heard someone on matt cooper say that he does not understand why anyone under 40 would stay in this country. im seriously looking for a bit of advice. any suggestions??:o

Trust me as someone who left this country thinking that he would have no problems covering his mortgage through renting it out that there are layers of problems involved. Personally, I think the only way to really have a place these days is to live in it, and to rent out the rest. The costs of fixing up the place every time a tenant leaves, government charges, council charges, repairs, etc build up, and quickly eat up your "profits/surplus". And every second month or so I get a request to lower the rent. Awesome. Now with new property related taxes/rates and the possible pressure to reduce rents overall, I seriously doubt the wisdom of renting out your place unless its a particularly great place. (mine is in a great place but built with all stupidity and laziness of Irish builders)

Think carefully about the costs involved with your property/mortgage, and then add a third more costs. If you can still cover it, then fine. Just be aware of the risks.

BTW I lived and worked in Australia for two years. While there are always going to be well paid construction work, everyone knows about it so there is massive attention by people. Plus there is a growing trend of seeking Australian nationals for such work rather than immigrants. And that will increase.

Dave!

seamus wrote: »

But at some point, the grass will look greener at home, or in the US or somewhere else. So what do you do then?

Move back home?

Nothing wrong with migrating temporarily if your situation permits it. The economy in Australia is still very strong, so it's worth considering if your job is unsafe back home.

OP I'd say save up and prepare to go to Australia, and if you lose your job then go for it. When in Australia, saved up and prepare to return home, just in case!

JohnMc1

harrisrt2003 wrote: »

i am giving serious consideration whether to emigrate or not. my wages are going down and everything else is going up. i still have a job in construction, just about, but the prospects are not looking good for next year.i just got a mortgage a few months back but renting this out to cover the payments is no problem. i keep getting told by all my friends in oz that there is plenty of well paid jobs there. i heard someone on matt cooper say that he does not understand why anyone under 40 would stay in this country. im seriously looking for a bit of advice. any suggestions??:o

If you have someone who can house you and get you a job [the days of just getting off the plane and walking right into a job were well over well before the economy crumbled] should do it especially if you're single.

JacksonHeightsOwn

seamus wrote: »

In reality anyone who thinks that moving out of Ireland is the best thing to do is is propagating the same goldrush fallacy that got us into our current mess.
There may be plenty of well-paid jobs now, but what happens when the economy in Australia takes a bit of a dive, jobs dry up and visas can't be renewed?

If you're the kind of person who's happy to move around chasing the best job prospects and don't mind potentially having to up stakes every 5-10 years and move to a different country to find a new job, then by all means go for it.

I would be inclined to tell people to stop chasing the greener grass, unless living abroad is something you actually want to do, or unless you have zero prospects here. You'll get there, and yes you'll enjoy yourself. But at some point, the grass will look greener at home, or in the US or somewhere else. So what do you do then?

I'm under 30 and I'm staying here. Because (primarily) I have friends and family here, because people's individual circumstances aren't nearly as dire as the media would like to make out (people are still buying new cars and big-screen TVs), and because there is a way out of our current economic mess in the medium-term.

no offence Seamus, but you obviously dont work in construction do you?

by all means i think all of us would stay, if we could earn €400+ a week ,but the reality of it is that we're not

its pretty much one week on, 2 weeks off, and paying a mortgage is pretty tough with that.

add to that the jobs you do then get, you price them so low you're barely making a wage, as i said, €80 per man a day if you're lucky, its really gotten that bad!!

i personally cannot leave as my girlfriend has a job she loves, and i unfortunately was stupid enough to buy an apartment for an "investment" 4 years ago,

im not trying to play the poor man, but when you're barely getting €400 a week, it does start to get you down, particularly with mortgages

nesf

the_analyser wrote: »

I reckon all the FF-ers should emigrate!

Lets Get Them Out

For pimping your videos across this forum in every one of your posts, permanently banned.

seamus

chrisbonnie wrote: »

no offence Seamus, but you obviously dont work in construction do you?

by all means i think all of us would stay, if we could earn €400+ a week ,but the reality of it is that we're not

its pretty much one week on, 2 weeks off, and paying a mortgage is pretty tough with that.

Well I did mention that if your prospects here are poor, then by all means do what you have to do.

My main gripe really is that there are plenty of people here in paid jobs with no particular debts or liabilities who are deciding to emigrate "just because".

They seem to be under the impression that taxes, incompetent government and fiscal stupidity is unique to Ireland.

later12

seamus wrote: »

My main gripe really is that there are plenty of people here in paid jobs with no particular debts or liabilities who are deciding to emigrate "just because".

Well I am one of those people and I see absolutely no reason to defend my choice, it seems obvious.

I am 24 and I have taken three pay cuts since I graduated from college - now fair enough, I've been working for banks and financial institutions so go figure. But that's not the reason for my leaving.

I'm also paying higher tax, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future (if or) when my salary increases.
I have no problem with paying taxes in a state where the benefit of that expenditure is returned is some tangible way to the taxpayer, however as far as I can see I am just paying for others' mistakes and servicing a debt which I neither asked for nor caused. I'll be damned if I spend the rest of my hard fought for career on this sinking island shovelling taxes to that cause like coal into a fire.

Now don't get me wrong, I have seen the benefits of living in a tiger economy, but actually my education was funded by my (not wealthy) parents forgoing their holidays and the comforts of the lifestyles they could have had to put their kids through a good school and good universities (which in my case was not in Ireland so none of that free tuition fee garbage).

I love Ireland as my birthplace and I will miss my friends and living in Irish society. I will miss The Late Late Toy Show and hanging out in Keogh's Bar off Grafton Street or getting the train home to my folks' place on a Friday night. However, I have about as much patriotism as a stone and have learned to have about as much a sense of loyalty to this republic as its leadership has itself exemplified.

If you, Seamus, have a 'gripe', as you say, with people like me emigrating, that's your business.
But doing so is, fpr people like me, our own business and presumably, our own benefit. Most of us just don't feel like we want to spend our careers correcting others' mistakes, or living in a state with next to nothing to offer in terms of economic growth nor standard of living as a reflection of social contributions.

They seem to be under the impression that taxes, incompetent government and fiscal stupidity is unique to Ireland.

It is not unique, but you must admit it is an exasperatingly persistant trait.

LordSutch

harrisrt2003 wrote: »

i am giving serious consideration whether to emigrate or not. my wages are going down and everything else is going up. i still have a job in construction, just about, but the prospects are not looking good for next year.i just got a mortgage a few months back but renting this out to cover the payments is no problem. i keep getting told by all my friends in oz that there is plenty of well paid jobs there. i heard someone on matt cooper say that he does not understand why anyone under 40 would stay in this country. im seriously looking for a bit of advice. any suggestions??:o

I think the chap on Matt Cooper is bang on the money, and providing you don't have strings attached I would say go for it, escape, explore, get a job, and enjoy life, chances you 'may' return in ten or fifteen years time bringing back your much needed expertise with you, indeed some say thats how the Celtic Tiger was created in the first place! (Irish people leaving, gaining experience/expertese & bringing it back).

later10

later10 wrote: »

f you, Seamus, have a 'gripe', as you say, with people like me emigrating, that's your business.
But doing so is, fpr people like me, our own business and presumably, our own benefit. Most of us just don't feel like we want to spend our careers correcting others' mistakes, or living in a state with next to nothing to offer in terms of economic growth nor standard of living as a reflection of social contributions.

Spot on. We have all paid enormous amounts of taxes over the years and for what? So that we can pay even more over the next few decades? I've lived 30 of my 34 years in this country, and I've seen very little returns on what I've paid to date, and I can't see too much return from staying either.

I'm aiming to be gone come February. I'll still be paying taxes/rates on my home while I'm gone, but I'll be able to have a far better disposable income & buying power even though I'll be earning only €900-€1000 a month in China.

p1akuw47h5r3it

Deleted User wrote: »

Spot on. We have all paid enormous amounts of taxes over the years and for what? So that we can pay even more over the next few decades? I've lived 30 of my 34 years in this country, and I've seen very little returns on what I've paid to date, and I can't see too much return from staying either.

I'm aiming to be gone come February. I'll still be paying taxes/rates on my home while I'm gone, but I'll be able to have a far better disposable income & buying power even though I'll be earning only €900-€1000 a month in China.

Jeez man thats some move to make. Good luck with it anyway.:)

Civilian_Target

seamus wrote: »

My main gripe really is that there are plenty of people here in paid jobs with no particular debts or liabilities who are deciding to emigrate "just because".

Sure - that was my situation in 2006. Coming out of college as an engineer, I had a choice of a jobs for the same money in Dublin or the south of France. It was an easy choice, rent was more expensive in Dublin than the south of France, cost of living was more expensive in Dublin than the south of France and sunshine hours were definitely better in the south of France.

Rather than take a 40 year mortgage on a house in Blanchardstown, I figured I could always go to the south of France and come home when things calmed down a bit. It seemed obvious that Ireland was in a bit of a bubble - but I wasn't expecting it to pop the way that it did!


Now I'm a highly qualified engineer but an emigrant by default. Why would I go home to take a massive cut in income and a hike in taxes? Why would I bring back the expertise that Irish tax payers paid to teach me?

The sad thing is - I know that Ireland's situation will never improve so long as people like me, who have no vested interest in preserving the status quo, and all the energy to fight for change, come home and use our experience gained abroad to push for real change in the way the country is run.

rorymcgrory

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

Everyone who doesn't go to mass, vote FF and buy Independent Newspapers' rags should go.

It'll be far easier to preserve the status quo with all the intelligent/cynical people gone.

I'm probably gone in the new year, as work in my field is more available in the UK.

Your going to move your field to uk? Thats gonna cost ye?