budget q-new entrants

RANIA

pay for all newly-appointed consultants, doctors, nurses andall HSE staff will be reduced by 10%.

would that include someone who is now reg and gets a job as an spr-ie would they be a new entrant to spr scheme therefore get the cut?as it says consultants that makes me wonder about srs/sprs...

Traumadoc

It could be all NCHDs, except those in permanent contracts. instant doubling of the number of payscales.

sam34

i read it as new entrants to public service , existing NCHDs are already in teh public service

RobFowl

sam34 wrote: »

i read it as new entrants to public service , existing NCHDs are already in teh public service

I kink of read it like that BUT the 4 year plan is only an outline. We'll have to wait for the budget and possibly even later for the enactment bills to know for sure.
New interns will almost certainly be affected though.

Traumadoc

Sam I doubt that they will allow that, otherwise spr moving straight to consultant has no pay cut , while doing a fellowship could cost you thousands

sam34

true, traumadoc. i dont know how they'll work it... maybe when you go to a new grade eg sho to reg you'll get a cut, but not if moving around in reg posts on a training scheme.. i dunno really, just speculating

RANIA

well it says new consultants-thats why i worry that it would also mean new to a grade.
dh is reg hoping to get sr in july-should be a pay increase with that to help balance out all the cuts but this 10%will come back to reg level again.
really worrying.

RANIA

Traumadoc wrote: »

It could be all NCHDs, except those in permanent contracts. instant doubling of the number of payscales.

all those there after 4 years have cid anyway?whether they want to make an issue of it or not,legally they are on cid i think.

opinion guy

This is open to interpretation. I imagine this one will come down to individual HR departments. I suspect some HR depts will argue that if you are moving from one hospital to their hospital, you will be technically a new employee for them and they will apply the 10% paycut. If you've been their for a whiel harder to make that argument.

Such is the life of a non-permanent worker

dissed doc

opinion guy wrote: »

This is open to interpretation. I imagine this one will come down to individual HR departments. I suspect some HR depts will argue that if you are moving from one hospital to their hospital, you will be technically a new employee for them and they will apply the 10% paycut. If you've been their for a whiel harder to make that argument.

Such is the life of a non-permanent worker

I'm sure HR departments are rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of cutting the pay for junior doctors by 10% every six months, with every new contract.......

RANIA

dissed doc wrote: »

I'm sure HR departments are rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of cutting the pay for junior doctors by 10% every six months, with every new contract.......

but isn't there a contract of indefinite duration entitlement..dh has worked since 05 ,he would cid since 09.so how could he be classed as new entrant?now he doesn't want cid for the sake of it,but to make sure he doesn't get a paycut it would surely be mentioned to hr...

RANIA

opinion guy wrote: »

This is open to interpretation. I imagine this one will come down to individual HR departments. I suspect some HR depts will argue that if you are moving from one hospital to their hospital, you will be technically a new employee for them and they will apply the 10% paycut. If you've been their for a whiel harder to make that argument.

Such is the life of a non-permanent worker

i think there is caselaw about associated employers in the hse,it all counts as same employer i think.so technically not a new entry to the hse itself-more about new entry to a new grade of job i think thats how they will angle it.legal though?

opinion guy

RANIA wrote: »

i think there is caselaw about associated employers in the hse,it all counts as same employer i think.so technically not a new entry to the hse itself-more about new entry to a new grade of job i think thats how they will angle it.legal though?

Be that as it may - you know that won't stop local HR's trying it and seeing how much they can get away with