Position on Teachers Payscale

Choclolate

If you enter teaching with 10 years experience in the private sector in a job relating to the subject you teach.

What level on the scale would you expect to enter?

Does anyone know

roe_cat

Choclolate wrote: »

If you enter teaching with 10 years experience in the private sector in a job relating to the subject you teach.

What level on the scale would you expect to enter?

Does anyone know

level 1 - so be prepared for a big drop in salary...

Choclolate

dont think your right there.

Degree and 10-12 years work experince (not teaching) doesnt start on 1.

Otherwise there would be no teachers with private sector experince

E.T.

Choclolate wrote: »

dont think your right there.

Degree and 10-12 years work experince (not teaching) doesnt start on 1.

Otherwise there would be no teachers with private sector experince

They're right:

"10% reduction in salary for new entrants and all entrants to start on 1st point"

From p120 of the four year plan
ƒhttp://www.budget.gov.ie/RecoveryPlan.aspx

Choclolate

Do you think its a cold cut as that???

RH149

I thought most teachers started on the 3rd point of the scale -if you're on Incremental salary anyway.

I don't think there is any other way of going up the scale than by putting in the years...by teaching, I mean, not in the private sector. May be wrong though!

E.T.

That's what's in the plan anyway. Can't imagine what the take-home pay will be for NQTs on this scale. One of my friends did the post-grad last year and rang me in shock at all the deductions from her first paycheque (she'd worked in various private sector jobs for years and didn't know how much extra would be taken out). Sounds like she was lucky to get in last year!

E.T.

RH149 starting on point 3 is correct at the moment but the point 1 is what has been suggested in the 4 year plan.

Choclolate

Looks like people who have never worked outside the Civil Service will be teaching our kids for the nect ten years.

One dimensional workforce.

Protected workforce at that

RH149

http://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/pay/salary-scale/

After tax there isn't a huge difference between Pt 1 and Pt 3 so I suppose being on the scale at all, ie having a job, is what counts.

E.T.

That's a really ignorant comment to make - in many ways. Least of all being that teachers are not members of the civil service.

RH149

I'd rather have someone with 10 yrs experience teaching Maths teaching my kids, than someone coming in with 10 years experience working in a bank or IT company and then starting off, learning the course/syllabus requirements. They wouldn't be any different to a PGCE student teaching them. Both would be 'learning their trade' and should expect to start at the bottom like all other teachers do.

freire

Choclolate wrote: »

Looks like people who have never worked outside the Civil Service will be teaching our kids for the nect ten years.

One dimensional workforce.

Protected workforce at that

You forgot poorly paid, devalued, undervalued and demoralised workforce.

I've worked in about 12 different jobs. There's nothing barring you entering into teaching if you're prepared to be paid significantly less than in the private sector.

Fizzical

Choclolate wrote: »

Looks like people who have never worked outside the Civil Service will be teaching our kids for the nect ten years.

One dimensional workforce.

Protected workforce at that

I think most parents and employers would prefer students to be taught by people with high qualifications in their subject, not by those with minimum qualifications and patchy experience at varied jobs. Many current teachers have high qualifications and relevant work experience. They all start at the bottom as they are all inexperienced at the job in hand.

Choclolate

Dont really have a problem starting on the bottom of the scale if hard work was rewarded.

But reality is that you would be starting on bottom of the scale working with people who dont do a tap and get the same increases as you.

E.T.

How do you know you'd be working with people "who don't do a tap"???

dory

Choclolate wrote: »

Dont really have a problem starting on the bottom of the scale if hard work was rewarded.

But reality is that you would be starting on bottom of the scale working with people who dont do a tap and get the same increases as you.

I wasn't going to say this, but what the heck:

I'm silently slightly glad this has happened because I want to teach whatever the salary. But it's tough because the competition for jobs right now is tough.

BUT, silver lining here is I suspect many people (looking at you here), will go slip away to another profession now and I'll have a better chance.Slán leat.

freire

If you're teaching and not doing a tap, then you're making trouble for yourself. No respect forthcoming from staff, parents and most importantly students.

A slow, miserable spiral to depression.

Fizzical

Choclolate wrote: »

Dont really have a problem starting on the bottom of the scale if hard work was rewarded.

But reality is that you would be starting on bottom of the scale working with people who dont do a tap and get the same increases as you.

You dont believe that teaching is hard work.

Seems to me you are just looking for excuses to stop yourself from trying to get a teaching job. Maybe you think you`d fail at it?

rainbowtrout

Choclolate wrote: »

Dont really have a problem starting on the bottom of the scale if hard work was rewarded.

But reality is that you would be starting on bottom of the scale working with people who dont do a tap and get the same increases as you.

How do you know the people entering the teaching profession at the same time as you wouldn't be doing a tap? If your previous work experience wasn't in teaching why should you get paid more, you don't have any more experience in the classroom than a teacher straight out of college

rainbowtrout

Choclolate wrote: »

dont think your right there.

Degree and 10-12 years work experince (not teaching) doesnt start on 1.

Otherwise there would be no teachers with private sector experince

Yes they do. Some people despite what you may think leave the private sector and take a drop in salary because they want to teach.

Point 1 of the teacher's salary scale is currently about 30k. Take 10% off that and you are looking at 27k next year plus allowances. Of course that's assuming a job on full hours which are non existant for NQTs for the most part.

So if an NQT is lucky next year and lands a job on half hours they will get 13.5k plus allowances and will just about make minimum wage. Oh ya, that's before tax and pension (which is compulsory) and pension levy (also compulsory) is taken out. Still interested in teaching????

Choclolate

I want to teach, but I am not deluded.

I have worked in private sector earning €70K per year,

I start work at 8am and work till 7pm most days. Nobody cares if I am sick or wether I have a pension and I am luck to get 20 days holidays.

Believe me I would take €30K for teachers conditions any day of the week.

And I will be from September. As for a job, I have plenty of offer for teaching Maths already.

implausible

Choclolate wrote: »

Looks like people who have never worked outside the Civil Service will be teaching our kids for the nect ten years

....and have been for the last ten. What's the problem here? You seem to think that having teachers who are trained and qualified to teach and who have experience teaching is a bad thing. Are the only good teachers the ones who have spent years as nurses, construction workers or factory employees? Should having spent years at the wrong career be a prerequisite to enter the right one?:rolleyes:

I am bemused by the attitude expressed here, as people often complain about teachers' sense of entitlement!

mattyhislop

Slightly different question to what the OP asked..

If you teach for a few years in England, are those years treated the same as teaching in Ireland when it comes to the payscale or would you have to start at the beginning if you came back to teach in Ireland?

Thanks

F-Stop

Sorry about that.

Rosita

Choclolate wrote: »

Dont really have a problem starting on the bottom of the scale if hard work was rewarded.

But reality is that you would be starting on bottom of the scale working with people who dont do a tap and get the same increases as you.

I worked in the private sector for a long number of years before moving into teaching and I have to say that from what I have seen teachers work considerably harder and in more difficult circumstances than people I saw in the private sector. It is just not possible to survive not 'doing a tap' when you have 30 kids, their parents and the Principal as invigilators of every class.

Incidentally I never quite got with this idea that you were always a heartbeat from the sack in the private sector. I saw plenty of BS there with staff reviews etc. which were utterly meaningless and going through the motions. And as we see with many businesses in the private sector in recent years, many were in fact quite badly and inefficiently run - which they got away with at the height of the froth - and were unable to survive when things changed.

Yes, I did the 8.30 to 7pm thing in the private sector but frankly when you took the pointless meetings and 'I'd better staying here in case they would think badly of me for leaving at a reasonable time' attitude out of it, I never was convinced that the job probably could not have been done in half the time. It had its own delusional sense of 'efficient inefficiency' built in from what I could see. As I colleague of mine said one time of alate departure................I might be achieving fcuk all at this hour but I suppose I have to been seen to be achieving it in here.

P.S. By the way, I love the way you are writing in November 2010 and already have plenty of offers to teach Maths next September! It reminds me of years ago in the '80s when I was in school listening to people leaving school early telling me that they had a job 'lined up'...................apparently in the middle of a time of huge unemployment the job was going to wait for them!

I generally found that I had to apply for a teaching job before being offered one. But maybe that's just me.

Paul_Designer

(iii) *Primary Degree (Pass) together with at least 3 years approved experience in commercial, industrial or other approved occupation.
€4,278

from tui.ie

rainbowtrout

Paul_Designer wrote: »

(iii) *Primary Degree (Pass) together with at least 3 years approved experience in commercial, industrial or other approved occupation.
€4,278

from tui.ie

What is this supposed to be in relation to? I think that allowance is for teachers who have transferred from industry to the VEC sector who may not necessariliy have had teaching qualifications.

Most teachers now get a degree allowance and a HDip/PGDE allowance.

roe_cat

if everyone starts on level 1 and there are no allowances - does that mea qualified rate is the same as unqualified?

rainbowtrout

mattyhislop wrote: »

Slightly different question to what the OP asked..

If you teach for a few years in England, are those years treated the same as teaching in Ireland when it comes to the payscale or would you have to start at the beginning if you came back to teach in Ireland?

Thanks

Years in England are counted on the payscale. There are a couple of teachers working with me who did years in the UK and had them recognised when they came back

roe_cat wrote: »

if everyone starts on level 1 and there are no allowances - does that mea qualified rate is the same as unqualified?

The finer details haven't been established yet, no doubt we'll find out on Dec 7th.

mattyhislop

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Years in England are counted on the payscale. There are a couple of teachers working with me who did years in the UK and had them recognised when they came back.

Thanks. That's good to hear.

shinnyjosiedan

Evening folks,

any teacher can apply for incremental credit for industry experience...it allows you to move up the points on the salary scale. asti website has details on it with the circular number