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The Beatles
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23-11-2010 1:53pm#1
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Favourite album or favourite Beatles album?
Latter, I'd have to go with Revolver.
TBH probably both. Revolver would probably be my second favourite Beatles album.
Sorry about the thread format but I love The Beatles and I dont know many people who like them as much as I do and who I can have a discussion with / share stories about the so I posted it up. Everyone in the Oasis thread referenced them at some stage and I thought I left it long enough before I started this topic? I'm not out to make enemies or annoy people....
Favourite track would have to be the live rooftop version of "Don't Let Me Down'.0 -
TBH probably both. Revolver would probably be my second favourite Beatles album.
Sorry about the thread format but I love The Beatles and I dont know many people who like them as much as I do and who I can have a discussion with / share stories about the so I posted it up. Everyone in the Oasis thread referenced them at some stage and I thought I left it long enough before I started this topic? I'm not out to make enemies or annoy people....
Favourite track would have to be the live rooftop version of "Don't Let Me Down'.
It's mostly your hyperbole more than anything. Also, they're probably up there with the most discussed artists of all time, a quick forum search will doubtlessly have quite a few threads.0 -
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smokedeels wrote: »tbh man, the body of your post was "are the best, discuss", the finality in that comment, for me, was off-putting, it's the second thread I've seen you post like this. Most people like some element of The Beatles, what did you expect this thread to become without more direction?
You’ve elaborated a little in the post above and imo…
The Beatles are the best at…
Making music: No, I mean…. they were pretty out there at times, but I don’t feel they were all that innovative, just better known than some other bands who tried similar things. Yes, they wrote some great tunes, but I like other bands and other songs more, but that’s all relative.
Record Sales: I don’t think that’s important
I'm not sure of this but I heard that they have sold something like a billion records worldwide?GoldenTickets wrote: »Definitely a lazy approach to a thread. Put some effort into your first post and you might get more out of people. The way it is you come across as not really caring about the band or your thread.
The Beatles are obviously amazing, there's hardly any need to discuss that (unless you're gunning for a row with people who disagree).
Thanks guys, you're right. I changed the first post in light of your comments. Hopefully all is good now?
My favourite story is when The Beatles first met Bob Dylan in New York!
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Influencing a generation?
Inspiring the majority of musicans that came after them?
Making music?
Record Sales?
I think the fact that they recorded 13 top notch albums in 7 years is amazing.
They certainly influenced a generation.
They have definitely inspired many musicians since the 1960s.
Not sure what the third point means.
They have sold the most records indeed, afaik.
I find it interesting how you quantify "the best" though. I don't think I could personally use the the fact that they sold the most records as being emblematic of greatness from an artistic point of view - case in point (and grand as they are for a drunken birthday party) Abba are in the top 5 most successful musical acts of all time. This does not make them great for me, although clearly they knew how to make the public want them - maybe this is where their genius lies? Influence is a noble point to bring up, although sadly also 50 Cent has influenced a generation of wigger fools hip-hoppin their way down to the local Spar for a good ol' loiter. I'm being facetious here - of course the music industry was different (less cynical and market-driven for example) when The Beatles were around, but it's a very difficult task to definitively label one band as being The Best Evar. For every person willing to shout The Beatles were the best, you'll have another shouting "no way - Elvis was the best", then another shouting Michael Jackson, another randomer shouting The Dubliners amid jeers and thrown bottles, and then myself saying "why I believe Miles Davis deserves the credit of being the best. Although my opinion would change again the following week." Simultaneously, all of us would be wrong, and all of us would be right
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They certainly influenced a generation.
They have definitely inspired many musicians since the 1960s.
Not sure what the third point means.
They have sold the most records indeed, afaik.
I find it interesting how you quantify "the best" though. I don't think I could personally use the the fact that they sold the most records as being emblematic of greatness from an artistic point of view - case in point (and grand as they are for a drunken birthday party) Abba are in the top 5 most successful musical acts of all time. This does not make them great for me, although clearly they knew how to make the public want them - maybe this is where their genius lies?
Influence is a noble point to bring up, although sadly also 50 Cent has influenced a generation of wigger fools hip-hoppin their way down to the local Spar for a good ol' loiter. I'm being facetious here - of course the music industry was different (less cynical and market-driven for example) when The Beatles were around, but it's a very difficult task to definitively label one band as being The Best Evar. For every person willing to shout The Beatles were the best, you'll have another shouting "no way - Elvis was the best", then another shouting Michael Jackson, another randomer shouting The Dubliners amid jeers and thrown bottles, and then myself saying "why I believe Miles Davis deserves the credit of being the best. Although my opinion would change again the following week." Simultaneously, all of us would be wrong, and all of us would be right
Good point, I read that they sold 1.3 billion records worlwide to date? Obviously it never was or will be about the ammount of record sales a band has, but I just though this was a massive figure and deserved a mention.
Obviously everyone has their favourite and they will proclaim them to "be the best ever". With all the hype surrounding their release on itunes last week I have read loads about them, and many critics fans etc saying they were the best.
I think the most important point is that The Beatles have stood the test of time. I'm 21 and started listening to them off my own accord. I loved them pretty much straight away. Loads of kids these days pick up an album and get into them - their music is timeless (Maybe Please Please Me is a little old fashioned but I still enjoy it).
Yeah that is true about 50 cent and many more, but The Beatles inspired a lot more people than he ever will. Obviously I wasn't around in the 60's but from what I've read, for them 7 years they were IT.0 -
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For most people though, there's not a whole lot not to like about them. I mean - they're fairly inoffensive to most people in society: they had their young clean-cut boy era, they had their "experimental-lite" drugged-up era, then they had their last album or two which were going in yet another direction, beyond 60s rock to some extent with songs like Let it Be etc.
At the same time though, there were guys like the Velvet Underground and The Byrds post -65 albums pioneering that gritty/drugged-up noiserock stuff, which to me at least, is more interesting and innovative.
I like The Velvet Underground, great band in fairness. The only Byrds song I know is Mr. Tamborine man, the Dylan cover, which the did justice. I'll check them out.
Yeah in the Let It Be film they interview all sorts of people during the rooftop concert - even older people had alot of time for them. One guy who was easily 60 thought they were great "nice lads, and out there with a style of their own." How many 60 year olds even know who the Kings of Leon are?Sharkey 10 wrote: »My favorite album is abbey road . They are probably my favorite band . Great transformations can be seen throughout there work
This really is a massive plus to The Beatles. After listening and re-listening a few times, I literally could not believe that the same band who sang Twist and Shout were writing Tommorrow Never Knows 3 years later. :eek:0 -
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The quality. Popularity means nothing in terms of the best or else you could clame Glee are the best band ever. I think that the Beatles pop music is the equivalent of Busted. Jingle jangle tunes. There are obviously a couple of exceptions but Abba's pop songs are darker, more complex, rewarding, better written and far more varied.
I essentially see the Beatles as the equivalent of Take that if all of the sudden Take that released all of Radiohead's albums in a row and because of their insane popularity with teenyboppers and young girls they were exposed to these great albums and Take that advanced musical evolution for a whole generation. The Beatles before RUbber Soul are not good. Their pop songs don't hold up to modern ones at all. Take That for example have much better pop songs when you take the hits as a whole.
The Beatles just had a gigantic audience who loved them before Rubber Soul, Abbey Road, The White Album and Let it Be and they exposed this music to the kind of people who'd never listen to it. They probably didn't even know they were listening to it until it was too late. So then these people associate the Beatles with given introducing them to good music and glorify them beyond what they deserve.
First off I don't want to get into another debate about "who the best band is". This is sort on a Beatles Appreciation thread (fair enough the title says differently but I've already been scolded about that).
We had that debate with the Oasis thread and it was a nightmare. Obviously everyone has their own ears and their own tastes which is cool. Just out of interest are Abba your fav or are you just using them as an example?
I see where you're coming from with the Glee point - yeah that's true, but to be fair Glee do covers, they're hardly musicians only glorified disney kids.
I don't know about the "jingle-jangle" tunes part. That was the style in the early 60's, singing about chicks and crushes etc. The melodies, whatever about the lyrics, are WAY better than that of Busted!
Hmm although I can sort of see your logic behind in your points, I think realistically they are quite far-fetched. Take That for example have a predominantly female following both young and old (6-40). The Beatles also had this following (they couldnt hear themselves play over girls screaming) but they have / had an equal ammount of male followers. Take That aren't going to diverse. Why? Because if they do they will sell fcuk all albums and lose half their fans and wouldn't be able to sell out Croke Park. They don't even play instruments (live at least)!
I don't think it is fair comparing pop songs from the 60's with pop songs from the 80's, 90's and 00's. Different decades, different generations, different influences and different styles and even better technologies!
"Take That for example have much better pop songs when you take the hits as a whole."
Who has more number one hits? Take That, generally, only have No.1 hits in the UK and Ireland. The Beatles were top of the charts worldwide.
"So then these people associate the Beatles with given introducing them to good music and glorify them beyond what they deserve."
Yes the majority of people were 'exposed' to this new type of music The Beatles started recording. I think the majority said "wow this is great" and went with it and loved it.
The fact of the matter is The Beatles, as you stated, had a massive audience. They then changed their style. The kept all their fans from the 'pop' years and probably won even more over in the process. If The Beatles were never around then who would have introduced the world to this "new type of music" you are talking about? If they never happened who would people glorify for this 'new music'? I can hear you say The Stones already (yes they are amazing) but the reality is they were never as popular as The Beatles and did not have the following the did.
Therefore I feel, although The Beatles may not be the best (depending on your opinion) they were certainly the most known, most loved and most inspirational band of their time and they changed the musical landscape. They deserve all the glory they have got to date and has yet to come.
And yes, they were bigger than Jesus. 0 -
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To be honest I love The Beatles because they're great, not because they're so popular. I actually tried my best to not like them for most of my childhood because my brother loved them and I didn't want to have the same taste as him.
I always loved songs like Ticket To Ride and Strawberry Fields Forever though. When I was nineteen (almost sixteen years ago now) I heard Tomorrow Never Knows for the first time. I gave in and bought Revolver the next day. After that I bought all their albums over the course of the next few weeks.
They're not my favourite band but they're one of them. I enjoy Pink Floyd, The Byrds and Love more. Speaking of which, if you like the Beatles later albums you'd probably like Forever Changes by Love.
If you want some information about The Beatles you should read Revolution In The Head by Ian McDonald. It's a great book. It's a few years since I've read it now but I recall reading that John Lennon once called a meeting to tell the other Beatles some important news. The news was that he was Jesus.0 -
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People may voice opinions, but that pretty much says it all.Are the best ...
+1Sgt.Peppers wrote: »beatles ...gods
But Elvis, while I acknowledge his huge contribution to popular music, was 'merely' a performer.... I'd have Elvis ahead if by best you mean great songs coupled with great success and longevity, ...
The Beatles :- wrote and performed their own music
- produced, arranged and recorded their own music
- opened their own recording studio
- founded their own music publishing companies (Northern Songs and later Apple)
- financed and founded their own multimedia company and record label (Apple Corps)
- wrote, arranged and produced material for other artists
- gave a avalanche of new artists their first recording contracts (James Taylor, Mary Hopkin, Badfinger, etc)
- innovated in the use of electronics in modern popular music (instrumentation, recording and performance techniques)
- opened the very first Apple Store (1967 )
- pioneered the benefit pop-concert idea (The Concert for Bangladesh 1971) OK so it was really George and Ravi Shankar and only three of the former Beatles played, but they also recorded the event, put out the records, DVDs, etc and had most of their stable of artists perform either in their own right or as members of the super-group
- they took American music back to America and spawned a plethora of 'me toos' (including The Monkees ) some of whom produced excellent music
I can write more but this contribution is already too long.
My favourite tracks are "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" (it also marked an early unfortunate milestone in Eric Clapton's life ), "Taxman" (a Lennon-ish move away from love songs and into broader social commentary), "Yesterday", (apologies for the Wiki link, but I couldn't resist it )
My favourite albums are Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt Pepper, and The Beatles.
Phew! (I Am A Beatles Fan and Proud Of It)
+1Glassheart wrote: »I've never read such ill informed rubbish regarding the Beatles in all my life.0 -
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