Taylor Made R11

Mister Sifter

Russman

Can't decide what I think of it to be honest !:)

Jul3s

About bloody time too and badly needed, I've been waiting eagerly for this since..... oh wait.....yea....hang on....since the R9 is now seriously outdated...ah.....um..... thanks TM.
Savage looking club all the same though.

Adiaga 2

Seems like white is the new black. Poulter was using a white headed driver(titleist or cobra?) at the weekend too.

charlieIRL

Adiaga 2 wrote: »

Seems like white is the new black. Poulter was using a white headed driver(titleist or cobra?) at the weekend too.

He was using a cobra I think.

Dunno what to make of the White though

Mister Sifter

Poulter is using a Cobra Limited Edition ZL Driver. There are only 500 of them made. The shaft and the grip are also white.

Russman

Wow that Taylor Made in white is far nicer looking than the Cobra !!

L.O.F.T

I wouldn't bother with the R11 and would rather wait for the R15!

hades

Tasty bit of stuff, i'm delighted the R11 is coming out, i needed a driver... and have a bought a new R9 10.5 stiff for €130 as a result of the incoming R11. Bargin.

SuprSi

White looks really cool, though in reality, how much extra control/distance/consistency would the mid-low handicap golfer get over a driver they bought new a year ago? I'm asking as I bought a Titliest D3 909 last May and would be curious to know if it would improve any aspect of my driving.

MasterKZG

My eyes are sore.:):)

The R11 looks bit too spacey for me like a Mini Roborapter i got for my son recently.:)

Russman

SuprSi wrote: »

White looks really cool, though in reality, how much extra control/distance/consistency would the mid-low handicap golfer get over a driver they bought new a year ago? I'm asking as I bought a Titliest D3 909 last May and would be curious to know if it would improve any aspect of my driving.

If you got custom fitted for the 909D3 then probably not much of an improvement, if any. I guess we all have to remember that just because there's a new driver out now it doesn't make the R9 any less of a driver than it was 2 months ago, the golf ball doesn't know there's an R11 out.

The D3 is a fairly unforgiving driver though, I'd imagine the R11 would be slightly easier to hit IMO.

Tin_Cup

The more I see this the more I want it! I know I don't need it as only picked up a Supertri last summer but still........

stockdam

Drivers are looking more and more like Stealth Bombers especially from the bottom. Designers have to re-invent the look every couple of years to get us to part with our dough. But as hades said that means there are some good drivers on the 2nd hand market which will be as good as anything that is brand new.

ShriekingSheet

OMG I can't believe the R11 is finally on the market!! I'm definitely not getting one!!

f22

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

OMG I can't believe the R11 is finally on the market!! I'm definitely not getting one!!

It would be a great match for the white pants though!:p

Garda S Horgan

So, TP or not TP? My current R9 has the TP shaft and I do like it. It's 420cc so I'm wondering whether or not to upgrade.
People often say that if you're hitting it well enough then why change, but I was hitting ping irons well enough and now I have the xforged from callaway and it's a different game.
How do you know if you're hitting it "well enough".
I think I'll find out if there is a demo day in Halpennys and have a belt off it then.
I love gimmicks. Taylor made do that very well.

I also see on some US sites that the TP version can be upgraded to have different shafts, once of which is the Motore F1 shaft for an extra 199 dollars on top of the Blur TP. So, I already have that shaft so would it be ok I wonder to just buy the base model and take the head off and stick it on my current shaft and away I go, OR, have Motore F1 shafts even progressed in the last 2 years so the one I have is behind the curve.
Why am I talking myself into a new driver?

Yours etc,
GSH.

ShriekingSheet

Garda S Horgan wrote: »

So, TP or not TP? My current R9 has the TP shaft and I do like it. It's 420cc so I'm wondering whether or not to upgrade.
People often say that if you're hitting it well enough then why change, but I was hitting ping irons well enough and now I have the xforged from callaway and it's a different game.
How do you know if you're hitting it "well enough".
I think I'll find out if there is a demo day in Halpennys and have a belt off it then.
I love gimmicks. Taylor made do that very well.

Yours etc,
GSH.

Sigh.

blackwaterfish

A white driver ffs... big swinging balls.... and 399 euro for the pleasure of pulling a giant cotton bud out of your golfbag.

lads are ye nuts!?.... are people seriously spending that kinda money?

alright it has all the tuning technology but fark me.... 399... it'd want to be **** hot!

Garda S Horgan

blackwaterfish wrote: »

A white driver ffs... big swinging balls.... and 399 euro for the pleasure of pulling a giant cotton bud out of your golfbag.

lads are ye nuts!?.... are people seriously spending that kinda money?

alright it has all the tuning technology but fark me.... 399... it'd want to be **** hot!

Apparently the white head makes it look bigger and gives more confidence and the black face at address makes alignment easier. I've already got the R9 and I love the way it can be tweaked.
2 years ago I was hitting a draw, now I'm hitting a fade but I've not had to change driver. Last saturday I set it up for a draw again and didn't fade one ball and finished with 3 birdies in the last 4 holes. Personally I realy like the R9 TP and it stands to reason that the R11 will be better.
At that price you're right though, it would be coming over from the states unless someone can get a great deal here.
Yours in golf,
GSH.

PhilipMarlowe

Garda S Horgan wrote: »

...Personally I realy like the R9 TP and it stands to reason that the R11 will be better....

No. No. No!
It stands to reason that it will look different alright

Re-read your own post.
You really like the club you have... you can tweak it if necessary and you are hitting it well.
Now I don't see the reason to change jumping off the page at me there

ShriekingSheet

Garda S Horgan wrote: »

Personally I realy like the R9 TP and it stands to reason that the R11 will be better.
.

Which is more likely?

(a) Taylor Made have made considerable breakthroughs in driver design recently, for the 10th time in the last 10 years, finding ways to improve the club that their previous decade of research must've missed.

(b) A big company figured that if they changed the colour and shape a bit, you'd think it was better, and give them more money.

Garda S Horgan

It's as I said. I was hitting ping irons really well, but then changed to the xforged with flighted shafts and I was getting much better flight than before. So, instead of getting some handy pars and the odd bogey I started getting close enough to the pin that I was able to get many more birdies.

What I'm asking myself is I have a 420 cc R9 which is about 2 years old at this stage. What is in the head of the R11 and will it give me 10 yards more than the 420 cc R9 if I put the shaft of the R9 onto the R11?
If it did give me 10 yards more then it would make a big difference.

Yours etc,
GSH.

ShriekingSheet

Garda S Horgan wrote: »

What is in the head of the R11 and will it give me 10 yards more than the 420 cc R9 if I put the shaft of the R9 onto the R11?
If it did give me 10 yards more then it would make a big difference.

Yours etc,
GSH.

By that rationale, look at the following.

In 2000, Woods & Duval were using Titleist 975Ds.
The world marvelled at how long the guys hit the ball.
For argument sake, say they hit the ball 280-300 yards.

You're thinking there's been a decade of "improvements" to Driver technology
You're saying that from one club model to the next, you may get 10yards more.

With so many years of advances in technology, how much farther are these two players hitting the ball? Or take two players now, of similar age and ability - does McIlory hit it way farther than a young Woods or Duval? They aren't knocking it 380-400 yards!

The Titleist 975D was a garbage golf club. And Woods was using it with a steel fecking shaft!

Yes players are hitting it further now, but you have to take into account their bodies, and how much fitness, strength and conditioning has changed. Also the ball has changed a fair amount. And lastly coaching has come on a bit too, especially seeing as the "power game" is a relatively new thing.

All of the above elements add yards. But how many yards have actually been added since 2000? And of these few added yards, how many can be actually attributed to Driver technology? I would say a fair few yards are as a result of Drivers changing - but that's maybe 15 yards over 10 years of so-called upgrades - not 10 yards over 1 year!!

If you get a new driver every 3-5 years, your more than up to speed with the latest "developments".

Garda S Horgan

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

Which is more likely?

(a) Taylor Made have made considerable breakthroughs in driver design recently, for the 10th time in the last 10 years, finding ways to improve the club that their previous decade of research must've missed.

(b) A big company figured that if they changed the colour and shape a bit, you'd think it was better, and give them more money.

Hmmm, a bit simplistic. The R9 was a good leap over the R7. I did no think the Supertri or Superdeep were massive leaps, but I'm asking if the R11 is a leap over the R9.
Also, I would say that each year there are new shafts which are the tour favourite so it stands to reason that if shafts are improving year on year then heads also.
Yours etc,
GSH.

PhilipMarlowe

Garda S Horgan wrote: »

If it did give me 10 yards more then it would make a big difference.

This may be true... but if you waved €400 in the direction of a decent teacher I'm sure he'd give you 1 lesson a week for the next 3 months or so and my guess is that the lessons would make a greater difference.
Of course, it's not as sexy or as bling of a solution.

If you have the cash and it's burning a hole then sure. I doubt that the existing shaft idea would be a success, taking Murphy's law into account. Go to your favourite clubmaker and have a fitting session if you are serious...

Garda S Horgan

1 lesson a week for 3 months? I could give the Instructor a lesson. At this stage I'm happy with the game, but if there is a driver that will give extra yards or a new shaft that will get a better flight then I'm in. I'm looking for an easy win usng technology rather than changing swing to suit current technology. Lessons won't give that.
As for fitness, I'm going to have to do with what I have I'm afraid. I like my pint and curry too much. 8)
I've already had all my clubs fitted. (except the wedges but I did get the grips all custom fitted).

Yours etc,
GSH.

ShriekingSheet

Garda S Horgan wrote: »

1 lesson a week for 3 months? I could give the Instructor a lesson. At this stage I'm happy with the game, but if there is a driver that will give extra yards or a new shaft that will get a better flight then I'm in. I'm looking for an easy win usng technology rather than changing swing to suit current technology. Lessons won't give that.
As for fitness, I'm going to have to do with what I have I'm afraid. I like my pint and curry too much. 8)
I've already had all my clubs fitted. (except the wedges but I did get the grips all custom fitted).

Yours etc,
GSH.

You should definitely buy a R11.
Get it fitted in Foregolf too

strokes1

Buy two of them!

blackwaterfish

Ah look, if anybody wants to spend that kind of money on 1 club then its theyre business how they rationalize it.

i do think taylormade are more guilty than most of rolling out new gear and new technologies, cashing in on those who need to have new shiny stuff that comes out every other season.

- that doesnt mean to say the r11 isnt the biz. but what happens next year when the r13 gets rolled out and taylormade claim its a substancial improvement on the previous stick? would you not feel somewhat duped?

improvements in club technology from year to year seem to me to be slight. however, if youve been using the same driver for 5+ years then you'll benefit hugely from something like the r11... but if your currently batting with an r9 wouldnt you be better off keeping it for 4 more years and then trading up and reaping more tangible technological benefits?

Garda S Horgan

I take your point, about changing each year. I change irons every 2 years. My swing changes slightly whether it's down to me or something I've picked up in 24 months but at the end of it I would want to get custom fitted for irons that match the way I'm currently playing. My swing is already good enough.
With drivers, I think, like putters, alot of it is in your head but at the same time there are certainly advances in recent years. The 420cc R9 is old now. It has certainly been around 2 years. I've not bought the supertri or the superdeep.
It will be interesting to hear from people who maybe just swaping out heads from the supertri/r9 and fastening them to their current shaft and doing an honest demo to check for swing speed (due to weight) and trajectory (even though thats more to do with the shaft).
Just trying to debate here. Also, I certainly don'y have 400 quid to throw away, but if I found at a demo that the club was better than my current one, then I might do some sort of payment plan over 4 months for eg...
I would not sell my current club though.

Yours etc,
GSH.

blackwaterfish

Garda S Horgan wrote: »

but if I found at a demo that the club was better than my current one, then I might do some sort of payment plan over 4 months for eg.

on that note you should get yourself a giftcard from one of the golf shops that you can top up. fella i know has one from nevada bobs in elverys and he's topping the card up once a month with €50.... he's mad for a new set a sticks but is all too well aware that saving these days is only for those who dont mind not eating every other day or two.

Garda S Horgan wrote: »

I change irons every 2 years.

holy smokes... fair play to ya... how old is too old to join the constabulary?

Garda S Horgan

36 is too old. However, if you're desperate to guard a shop that has a broken pane of glass and want to pace up and down for 48 hours to make sure no mars bars are stolen then the PSNI might be for you or else take a case to europe citing discrimination on the basis of your age.

Anyway back to the R11. Actually I've nothing much else to say on it...
Strange.

Yours etc,
GSH.

Screaminmidget

Your a bigger fool to want to get the R11 when, as you said, there is nothing wrong with the driver you have. My driver is coming up on 5 years old, and ive no intention of changing it for another while yet.

Also, why do you sign your posts??

staker

Is this available in black? I'm not too gone on the white tbh. And God help any fellow turning up at a golf course with a white driver- gonna be high expectations on the first tee:p

Brewster

I have a new R11 on its way to me from Foregolf as we speak following a recent custom fitting! Oban Devotion 4 shaft, 9 degree version adjusted to 10 degrees... I haven't told wife:D

Tin_Cup

Brewster wrote: »

I have a new R11 on its way to me from Foregolf as we speak following a recent custom fitting! Oban Devotion 4 shaft, 9 degree version adjusted to 10 degrees... I haven't told wife:D

Out of curiosity what driver is the R11 replacing?

Brewster

Tin_Cup wrote: »

Out of curiosity what driver is the R11 replacing?

... A 2007 Tour Burner driver, reg flex 10.5 degree that I couldn't hit out of my way and subsequently used 3 wood all the time!! Im a 25 handicapper.

Mister Sifter

Brewster wrote: »

I have a new R11 on its way to me from Foregolf as we speak following a recent custom fitting! Oban Devotion 4 shaft, 9 degree version adjusted to 10 degrees... I haven't told wife:D

Just tell her it's a remnant model... "They forgot to paint it, so they were selling it cheap". Can't possibly fail :cool:

I'd be interested to know, when you went to Foregolf, did they give you any other Taylor Made models to try (R9 etc) or were you purely limited to the newest models?

conno16

Brewster wrote: »

... A 2007 Tour Burner driver, reg flex 10.5 degree that I couldn't hit out of my way and subsequently used 3 wood all the time!! Im a 25 handicapper.

get back to the driving range and have some respect for yourself

Brewster

Mister Sifter wrote: »

Just tell her it's a remnant model... "They forgot to paint it, so they were selling it cheap". Can't possibly fail :cool:

I'd be interested to know, when you went to Foregolf, did they give you any other Taylor Made models to try (R9 etc) or were you purely limited to the newest models?

I asked to try the R11, i tried the R9 also in a combination of different shafts.I decided early on in fitting to stick with R11 and work around the shafts. I went to fitting knowing i wanted a new driver. I am happy enough with my irons. My shocking driving is reason im a 25 handicap.

soundsham

I think I'll wait till june and buy the TP XD model in Black ,so I really stand out ..........I hope its €600 too

madds

Brewster wrote: »

... A 2007 Tour Burner driver, reg flex 10.5 degree that I couldn't hit out of my way and subsequently used 3 wood all the time!! Im a 25 handicapper.

That's strange. I heard Foregolf recommend on their F'book page that the TM is for low h'cap players with the Titleist & Callaway drivers suitable for mid-hcap players. You're off 25 and they pointed you towards the R11? Not knocking your decision, I hope you enjoy the club, just goes against what I heard FG say.

Garda S Horgan

Screaminmidget wrote: »

Your a bigger fool to want to get the R11 when, as you said, there is nothing wrong with the driver you have. My driver is coming up on 5 years old, and ive no intention of changing it for another while yet.

Also, why do you sign your posts??

1). I explained in earlier posts that "being happy" is one thing, but if there is a way to get an extra 10 yards or a better ball flight by just using a different piece of equipment then I would go for it. Whether it's a TM11 or 910D2 or whatever club, I'm saying that the reviews of the R11 are so far very good.

Yours in always signing my posts,
GSH.

ShriekingSheet

Garda S Horgan wrote: »

1). I explained in earlier posts that "being happy" is one thing, but if there is a way to get an extra 10 yards or a better ball flight by just using a different piece of equipment then I would go for it. Whether it's a TM11 or 910D2 or whatever club, I'm saying that the reviews of the R11 are so far very good.

Yours in always signing my posts,
GSH.

PGA Tour official stats show that in 2000, Tiger Woods, using a Titleist 975D with a steel X100 shaft averaged 298.0 yards.

In 2007, with the latest and greatest shaft, ball and driver-head, not to mention significantly developed physique, he averaged 302.4 yards.

So in 7 years, with a multitude of club design and spec "improvements", Woods gained 4.2 yards.

Expecting to gain 10 yards by changing from R9 (2009) to R11 (2011) with all other factors remaining constant is beyond moronic.

I'm writing a blog if I have time this evening with more examples/info on this. You should read it. Your bank balance will thank you.

hades

Honestly, why are you guys so put out by the fact that the Garda wants to buy an R11. It's his own money, let him off, he's not doing anyone any harm.

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blackwaterfish

hades wrote: »

It's his own money, let him off, he's not doing anyone any harm.

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Are you sure?

How many goats could you buy a sudanese village with €399? Or how many Ho's could you treat to a nice cup of bovril on a chilli saturday night???

he's a garda and he should know better!!!!... its a bleedin disgrace!

no wonder the country is on the brink with our so called pillars of society clearly long past the point of lavish debauchery!

lol.

Garda, best of luck with the big stick.... i hope you hit her straight & true... for at least 12 months until the next shiny stick hits the shelves!

Garda S Horgan

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

PGA Tour official stats show that in 2000, Tiger Woods, using a Titleist 975D with a steel X100 shaft averaged 298.0 yards.

In 2007, with the latest and greatest shaft, ball and driver-head, not to mention significantly developed physique, he averaged 302.4 yards.

So in 7 years, with a multitude of club design and spec "improvements", Woods gained 4.2 yards.

Expecting to gain 10 yards by changing from R9 (2009) to R11 (2011) with all other factors remaining constant is beyond moronic.

I'm writing a blog if I have time this evening with more examples/info on this. You should read it. Your bank balance will thank you.

It's not at all moronic.
Firstly, I've gained a full club of distance using the xforged irons with project x5.5 flighted shafts over my "old" irons.
Logically the same can then be said for a driver.

I would say, that without a doubt, amateur golfers are using the wrong clubs/shafts/grips/balls.
Changing grips and balls alone could help many golfers.

I would, ideally, like to go to a range with many drivers and many shafts to find out which one will suit my swing best and which one will reduce backspin and give the most distance without sacrificing accuracy.

If the TP version of the R11 can be fitted and with the amount of change you can do yourself, then it makes logical sense that this should be an epic club.
Much like the 910D2 for example.

In my view, for you to think that changing a driver to a new driver can not get a person an extra 10 yards is moronic. How the hell can you know if it will or not?
Stick that in your blog.

Yours etc,
GSH.

Nerdstrom

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

PGA Tour official stats show that in 2000, Tiger Woods, using a Titleist 975D with a steel X100 shaft averaged 298.0 yards.

In 2007, with the latest and greatest shaft, ball and driver-head, not to mention significantly developed physique, he averaged 302.4 yards.

So in 7 years, with a multitude of club design and spec "improvements", Woods gained 4.2 yards.

Expecting to gain 10 yards by changing from R9 (2009) to R11 (2011) with all other factors remaining constant is beyond moronic.

I'm writing a blog if I have time this evening with more examples/info on this. You should read it. Your bank balance will thank you.

This is not a conclusive way to evaluate technological improvements. In fairness, you have clearly sifted through to see which years suited your argument;

Using this logic, I can make an argument for technology, by simply saying that, in the space of 3 years, between 2002, and 2005, tiger woods' improvements in golf club technology increased his driving distance by 23 yards(293 up to 316). And this would be using your same source of stats, and selecting different years in the drop-down box.

http://www.pgatour.com/r/stats/info/xm.html?101

Obviously, I dont beleive the above to be true, but just highlighting the inaccurate ideas that stats can develop.

Aside from the fact that we dont know what tigers goals are, he could be constantly changing his trajectory and shot shape, and probably does do that.

However, I think that a crucial stat for defining how far one drives is ball-speed. And a lot of people posting here that are anti-custom fit have probably never had it done, or played poorly with custom fit clubs, the one and only time they had it done.

To simplify the idea, When going through the driver fitting process, each drive will have a clubhead speed, and a ball speed. for example, a player, say swings at 100mph, and averages 140mph for 20 minutes, with about 6 driver setups tested. The seventh driver then produces an average of 145mph ball speed, while our player is still averaging 100mph chs. Obviously, we have a winner, and the player cant help but hit this club further. And this is actually what happens when people get custom fit. How can someone optimise ther ball speed by buying online or of the rack?

So I think that those who do not buy into the value of technology, and custom fitting have not had it done properly for them.

blackwaterfish

Nerdstrom wrote: »

This is not a conclusive way to evaluate technological improvements. In fairness, you have clearly sifted through to see which years suited your argument;

Using this logic, I can make an argument for technology, by simply saying that, in the space of 3 years, between 2002, and 2005, tiger woods' improvements in golf club technology increased his driving distance by 23 yards(293 up to 316). And this would be using your same source of stats, and selecting different years in the drop-down box.

http://www.pgatour.com/r/stats/info/xm.html?101

Obviously, I dont beleive the above to be true, but just highlighting the inaccurate ideas that stats can develop.

Aside from the fact that we dont know what tigers goals are, he could be constantly changing his trajectory and shot shape, and probably does do that.

However, I think that a crucial stat for defining how far one drives is ball-speed. And a lot of people posting here that are anti-custom fit have probably never had it done, or played poorly with custom fit clubs, the one and only time they had it done.

To simplify the idea, When going through the driver fitting process, each drive will have a clubhead speed, and a ball speed. for example, a player, say swings at 100mph, and averages 140mph for 20 minutes, with about 6 driver setups tested. The seventh driver then produces an average of 145mph ball speed, while our player is still averaging 100mph chs. Obviously, we have a winner, and the player cant help but hit this club further. And this is actually what happens when people get custom fit. How can someone optimise ther ball speed by buying online or of the rack?

So I think that those who do not buy into the value of technology, and custom fitting have not had it done properly for them.

What he said

ShriekingSheet

Nerdstrom wrote: »

In fairness, you have clearly sifted through to see which years suited your argument;

Using this logic, I can make an argument for technology, by simply saying that, in the space of 3 years, between 2002, and 2005, tiger woods' improvements in golf club technology increased his driving distance by 23 yards(293 up to 316). And this would be using your same source of stats, and selecting different years in the drop-down box.

You can't make that argument purely for driver technology, because you've identified a period where the players has constantly worked on his physique, changed coaches and his golf ball.

Here's more examples. Over the same seven year period, David Toms gained 7.1 yards, Steve Stricker added 6.9 yards, and to go way back to 1995, Davis Love III hits it 4.1 yards further, after 12 years of so-called improvements in driver technology.

Nerdstrom wrote: »

So I think that those who do not buy into the value of technology, and custom fitting have not had it done properly for them.

The value of technology is there for you to see, in the measley yards gained by tour pros, where there's little question of them having not been fitted correctly.

Garda S Horgan wrote: »

In my view, for you to think that changing a driver to a new driver can not get a person an extra 10 yards is moronic. How the hell can you know if it will or not?

TM are saying the R11 hits it 6 yards longer than the R9. They've released 12 new models since 1995 (not including slight variations - prob closer to 25 that way). By the same bananas rationale, since 1995, pros an amateurs should be hitting the ball 72 yards further. If you hit it 252 yards now, you would have driven the ball 180 yards the year What's the Story Morning Glory came out.

Either that, or they're just making sh*t up to sell new clubs.

My blog about the R11 Myth http://shriekingsheet.blogspot.com