Brian Cowen to make statement at 7 pm

mike65

as it says

Duiske

Just heard that. Can't imagine its anything but his swansong.

Duiske

demakinz wrote: »

on tv?

Yes. Rte news is running over time to take it live.

steelcityblues

Telling of a person's character that he and Lenihan won't go through with the 'tough love' of a greatly reduced Budget before calling an election - which inevitably will be announced at 7pm now.

Cowards and opportunists devoid of real responsibility until the last!

NickDrake

The end at last. Will RTE even show it all??

7pm and the end of their rule. Some mess they have left us in.

Thank you to all who voted them. Hang your heads in shame.

What does this mean about the budget?

snubbleste

Just in case rté cuts it off, watch it on a foreign channel
http://news.sky.com/sky-news/app/liveTV/liveTv.html?lid=Live_TV_Popup&lpos=Video_Hub

Sponge Bob

Every "important" statement he made in the past fortnight turned out to be lies ****e and bluster, why would this one be any different.

His government will carry on with the important work, he will thank the greens and Gormley and off he will go.

He won't takes Vincenzos questions this time

Dirk Gently

Deleted User wrote: »

What does this mean about the budget?

I can only imagine A december election will mean a January budget, unless the new FG / LAB quickly do a spell check and just publish the FF budget. If we have a new Gov before December it would have to be Jan at the earliest before budgets and 4 year plans are produced.

PatsytheNazi

Friend of mine a taxi driver texted me to say the Aras is crawling with Guards. Make of it what you will.

cml387

OK I'll say this again.

An election before the budget is madness.
It's in the interests of the political parties,because thir manifestoes will be full of aspirtaions and no specifics.
It's not in our interests because we'll still be voting for an unknown.
The IMF will be left waiting, while chaos breaks out on the markets dragging down Portugal and Spain.

This is insanity and I have now lost all faith in all the parties.

sollar

I feel a bit sorry for him on a human level. But he really has to go.

Duiske

jos28 wrote: »

I can hear the Mercs revving up for the Aras already.

Not so sure. I reckon its dawned on them that the budget has not a snowball's chance of passing with Cowan in charge. Maybe just his resignation ?

later12

Link?

There is nothing about this on rte or the irish times right now

edit: it's up there now, well done mike65, on the ball:)

Liam Byrne

cml387 wrote: »

OK I'll say this again.

An election before the budget is madness.
It's in the interests of the political parties,because thir manifestoes will be full of aspirtaions and no specifics.
It's not in our interests because we'll still be voting for an unknown.
The IMF will be left waiting, while chaos breaks out on the markets dragging down Portugal and Spain.

This is insanity and I have now lost all faith in all the parties.

And I'll say this again......an "unknown" is far, far (actually infinitely) better than the current "known".

Stheno

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/under-fire-taoiseach-to-make-public-statement-at-7pm-482818.html

Sad Professor

later10 wrote: »

Link?

There is nothing about this on rte or the irish times right now

Clear your cache. It's on RTE's front page. The Irish Times site isn't the best for breaking news.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1122/politics.html

cml387

Liam Byrne wrote: »

And I'll say this again......an "unknown" is far, far (actually infinitely) better than the current "known".

How exactly?

What party is going to go into an election advocating social welfare cuts?
A decrease in the minimum wage?

At least with the budget presented we'd know something.

namloc1980

Even if Cowan says that he is going to the Áras to dissolve the Dáil....I don't think I'd believe him until he actually does it.

Duiske

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

Friend of mine a taxi driver texted me to say the Aras is crawling with Guards. Make of it what you will.

The public service have staged a coup ?

oppenheimer1

What are the chances Mary will refuse? Might be the best thing to force the badly needed budget through.

jos28

Duiske wrote: »

Not so sure. I reckon its dawned on them that the budget has not a snowball's chance of passing with Cowan in charge. Maybe just his resignation ?

Maybe Either way I'm just happy that he is gone. History will record him as the worst Taoiseach since the formation of the State. I deliberately did not use the word leader.

mrgaa1

cml387 wrote: »

OK I'll say this again.

An election before the budget is madness.
It's in the interests of the political parties,because thir manifestoes will be full of aspirtaions and no specifics.
It's not in our interests because we'll still be voting for an unknown.
The IMF will be left waiting, while chaos breaks out on the markets dragging down Portugal and Spain.

This is insanity and I have now lost all faith in all the parties.

I agree with you here. Didn't all the parties say most recently that they all agree with the four year budget plan in reducing the gap between spending and tax income - or was that something that I dreamt?
They all know the budget must happen, the other parties will be handed the same problems. Keeping the IMF and the EU waiting is not good and not good for the country.

namloc1980

Gonna watch this on Sky because I don't trust RTE to show it in full

cml387

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

What are the chances Mary will refuse? Might be the best thing to force the badly needed budget through.

She can only act on the advice of the Taoiseach.

Silvio.Dante

NickDrake wrote: »

Thank you to all who voted them. Hang your heads in shame.

What a ridiculous comment.

Byron85

Apparently he's not going to resign and is going to "tough it out". Unbelievable.

Psychedelic

What's the bets he won't resign or call an election.

Sulmac

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

What are the chances Mary will refuse? Might be the best thing to force the badly needed budget through.

She can't until he has formally lost the confidence of the Dáil (i.e. lost a vote).

Sierra Oscar

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

What are the chances Mary will refuse? Might be the best thing to force the badly needed budget through.

She cant - he hasn't lost a confidence vote.

namloc1980

Psychedelic wrote: »

What's the bets he won't resign or call an election.

He's going to "tough it out". Brian "I don't accept the premise of what you're saying" Cowan should just go to Mary in the Áras and bring an end to this sham.

sparkling sea

The President could accept Brian Cowens resignation without dissolving the Dail untl the budget is pushed through

Refusal of a Dáil dissolution: President may refuse to grant a dissolution of Dáil Éireann to a Taoiseach who has "ceased to retain the support of a majority" in house. In such an event, the Taoiseach must resign immediately. This power has never been invoked but the necessary circumstances existed in 1944, 1982 and 1994.

cml387

We'll know in a minute.
But maybe this a manifestation of IMF power:

"Brian,if you go for an election the deal is off and your banks will collapse tomorrow,think about it"

Liam Byrne

RTE reporting that he's going to trot out the same jaded zero-credibility lines....."I'm not the bogey man / I won't accept that / I've done nothing wrong / We need to continue to make the difficult decisions so that we can continue turning the corner / going forward / additional yada yada mindless cliched soundbytes".

Villain

Cowen expected to stick out, media seem to know what he is going to say and he won't be going to the Park

ArtSmart

not a chance he'll 'tough it out' not a chance.

he's gonna call an election

mac_iomhair

Liam Byrne wrote: »

RTE reporting that he's going to trot out the same jaded zero-credibility lines....."I'm not the bogey man / I won't accept that / I've done nothing wrong / We need to continue to make the difficult decisions so that we can continue turning the corner / going forward / additional yada yada mindless cliched soundbytes".

"in relation to"... will be said at least 10 times! seems to be his favourite this week

Dirk Gently

ah well, january it will have to be.

snubbleste

The whole FF senior herd are there

Tomohawk

Body language says he's gone to me...

Judgement Day

He's going to brazen it out!:mad:

ArtSmart

Huge mistake Cowen. Unforgivable.

DeVore

They're brassing it out...

DeV.

loldog

January election.

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cml387

Well for once, at least,he's got it right. And I've never thought I'd say that.

whelan1

so what was the press conference actually about?

super_furry

Honestly believe he's made the right call. I hate the bumbling oaf, but it's the first time I think he's got anything right in the last three years. It's imperitive that this budget and plan go through.

AnnyHallsal

Duckytech wrote: »

Very Calm...

Zombie calm. The walking dead, and he knows it.

Sierra Oscar

Where is Mary Hanafin?

jos28

I reckon February, budgetary process won't be complete until then. Can't see how he will get the budget through without the Independents and some of his own backbenchers

goat2

there will be an uprising, he has no notion of going, what a disappointment