100 euro flat rate property tax a definite

ArtSmart

cant find the original property tax thread.

and cant give a link on this, but according to newstalk it a definite.

100 euro every household irrespective of property size. (some excluded under certain condtions.)

Slozer

Is this per month or year?

ManFromAtlantis

if true its at a level they think people wont protest.
wait a couple years and it'll be 1000 or more.

whitelightrider

So first we have to pay stamp duty and now property tax? What a joke.

Poly

per week,

Seems a bit unfair that a 1 bed apartment dweller pays the same as bono or pat kenny.

Cookie_Monster

a flat rate is obscene :mad:

should be based on square foot, another tax primarily aimed at middle class working folk, with the super rich and those on welfare not paying anything as usual

ManFromAtlantis

Poly wrote: »

per week,

Seems a bit unfair that a 1 bed apartment dweller pays the same as bono or pat kenny.

assuming the one bed dweller pays as much other tax as bono or pk then maybe you have a point.

ilovesleep

Poly wrote: »

per week,

Seems a bit unfair that a 1 bed apartment dweller pays the same as bono or pat kenny.

Per week - for real?

iPlop

ArtSmart wrote: »

cant find the original property tax thread.

and cant give a link on this, but according to newstalk it a definite.

100 euro every household irrespective of property size. (some excluded under certain condtions.)

OP did they say per month or per year?

Kernunos

I read in one of the Sunday papers that it will be 100 euros for the first year. After they have the framework in place it will start taking into consideration, square footage, value etc

kelle

ilovesleep wrote: »

Per week - for real?

I imagine it's per month, because the original proposal was €80 per month
http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/property-mortgages/homeowners-face-paying-euro80amonth-property-tax-2415844.html

Rasmus

Poly wrote: »

per week,

Seems a bit unfair that a 1 bed apartment dweller pays the same as bono or pat kenny.

source??

SteM

kelle wrote: »

I imagine it's per month, because the original proposal was €80 per month
http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/property-mortgages/homeowners-face-paying-euro80amonth-property-tax-2415844.html

As Kernunos said, it'll be €100 for the first year until they figure out how to do it properly (if they ever do!).

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fouryear-budgetary-plan-the-main-elements-2430064.html

Property tax to be introduced and stamp duty phased out

THE first phase of a property tax could be introduced as early as next year in the form of a "local services charge" of around €100.

This could be progressively increased each year until 2014 -- when the State should have enough information to introduce a property tax based on the value of people's individual homes.

Local authorities will be allowed to retain the funding from the local services -- the aim is to develop a sustainable source of revenue for them rather than relying on government grants. And the much criticised system of stamp duty will be phased out.

Edit. BTW, this sounds vague to me. A "local services charge" - does that mean that people who already pay service charges to a management company will be exempt?

Cookie_Monster

a "local service charge"?

Great, I assume these local services will include water and waste collection so we no longer have to pay them separately, that's excellent.


/holds breath/

Max Power1

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

a "local service charge"?

Great, I assume these local services will include water and waste collection so we no longer have to pay them separately, that's excellent.


/holds breath/

Suffocation awaits, unfortunately.

Timistry

Max Power1 wrote: »

Suffocation awaits, unfortunately.

Yup. Most of the 100eu will be spent on admin fees id imagine:rolleyes:

sollar

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

a flat rate is obscene :mad:

should be based on square foot, another tax primarily aimed at middle class working folk, with the super rich and those on welfare not paying anything as usual

Square footage is unfair on rural dwellers. I favour a site tax or value banding by area.

A flat rate is fine with me though and it should always be set at €100 less than the second home tax.

Cookie_Monster

sollar wrote: »

Square footage is unfair on rural dwellers.

why?
rural rates should be higher anyway as rural homes costs way more to supply in terms of services and infrastructure, particularly once off properties.

murphaph

sollar wrote: »

Square footage is unfair on rural dwellers. I favour a site tax or value banding by area.

A flat rate is fine with me though and it should always be set at €100 less than the second home tax.

Surely if it's a true local services charge then it should factor in the true cost pf local authority services. Many rural dwellers have private bin collections etc. so this aspect should be cheaper BUT roads maintenance etc. is much more expensive per capita outside urban areas.

I have been reading the German AA magazine (ADAC) that my GF gets as a member. Here, people who live in rural areas in so-called "communes" must pay for road improvements directly per household.....up to SIXTY THOUSAND EURO one off payments are being demanded in some Bavarian communes for road improvements! Puts a 100 quid property tax in perspective lol.

sollar

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

why?
rural rates should be higher anyway as rural homes costs way more to supply in terms of services and infrastructure, particularly once off properties.

One off properties pay a sizable development contribution to cover that now anyway.

MagicMarker

Surely this isn't a monthly rate?

firemansam1

This is crazy, putting a tax on the very thing that has most people in the country crippled.

We've already paid shovel loads of money in VAT etc on building/buying these homes. Paid councils for planning permissions. Borrowed from the banks to pay for them.

And now for the privilege of doing all this and saddling ourselves in debt(some more than others admittedly)the govt. are going to tax us on it.

We should boycott paying this tax

Jane5

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

why?
rural rates should be higher anyway as rural homes costs way more to supply in terms of services and infrastructure, particularly once off properties.

What on earth are you talking about? I'm from a rural area. We have our own well water, our own septic tank which we pay to maintain ourselves, and pay an extortionate amount to a private bin collection agency. There's no public transport anywhere nearby so we have to pay to keep two cars on the road so we can both work.

What exactly am I being supplied with here that costs the State money?

I will not pay this tax.

firemansam1

Jane5 wrote: »

What on earth are you talking about? I'm from a rural area. We have our own well water, our own septic tank which we pay to maintain ourselves, and pay an extortionate amount to a private bin collection agency. There's no public transport anywhere nearby so we have to pay to keep two cars on the road so we can both work.

What exactly am I being supplied with here that costs the State money?

I will not pay this tax.

100%.

Rural dwellers have to pay to have all services brought to their properties. ESB, phone, water, no sewerage system to hook up to. Water from private scheme and you usually have to pay what it costs to get the pipe to your site.

sollar

And a sizable chunk of our taxes go toward big projects based in the east.

aliveandkicking

sollar wrote: »

And a sizable chunk of our taxes go toward big projects based in the east.

Off topic I know but that is not the case. There is a net outflow of taxes from Dublin to the rest of the country not the other way around. If all the taxes collected in Dublin stayed in Dublin then Dublin would be a lot wealthier city.

Graceland

When the time comes to getting a house valued for property tax, is it just the house alone or does it include any land surrounding it as well.

Mezcita

firemansam1 wrote: »

This is crazy, putting a tax on the very thing that has most people in the country crippled.

We've already paid shovel loads of money in VAT etc on building/buying these homes. Paid councils for planning permissions. Borrowed from the banks to pay for them.

And now for the privilege of doing all this and saddling ourselves in debt(some more than others admittedly)the govt. are going to tax us on it.

We should boycott paying this tax

Rubbish. Nobody forced any of us to buy houses in the first place.

Government needs more money. Taxes = Revenue. But fundamentally €100 a year is way less than what people thought they were going to set the rate at.

George Orwell 1982

The government are just introducing this gradually to avoid a backlash. Watch it go up each and every year.:D

tribesman78

And can anyone tell me what happens if you don't pay? Will the govermnet take your house...be my guest. Send me to jail...I sense a lot of people will be on their way there. go to jail can't pay mortgage, lose house to bank.

Liam Byrne

Mezcita wrote: »

Rubbish. Nobody forced any of us to buy houses in the first place.

Government needs more money. Taxes = Revenue. But fundamentally €100 a year is way less than what people thought they were going to set the rate at.

Rubbish. Government needs to correct what it's doing with the existing money.

Personally speaking, I don't object to €100 a year; at least it's far more manageable than the pie-in-the-sky figures that the ESRI were touting.

HOWEVER I will pay this tax and other additional taxes to help my country out of this mess WHEN

1) The Government stops paying dodgy bankers for their mistakes
2) The Government reins in their "expenses" and pays themselves a reasonable amount in wages
3) The Government stops wasting the taxes that I am already paying, and in particular stops paying quangos and bank heads half a million a year
4) The Government acknowledges and takes steps to balance the books based on people who are working their asses off to survive and still earn roughly what they'd earn if they were sitting on said asses on the dole*

*No sleight intended re those who have lost their jobs, but just acknowledging a fact.....I'd get about €100 less a month if I was on the dole and not determined to pay my way in society while that's still possible

cyclopath2001

Jane5 wrote: »

What exactly am I being supplied with here that costs the State money?

Roads? Policing? Hospitals? Social services? Schools? Is your house in an area of scenic amenity?

lucy2010

Is anyone exempt from paying this ?