Joe Rogan: Yay or Nay?

MrStuffins

So, there seems to be a lot of hate for Joe Rogan on the boards here.

Are you a fan of his? Or don't you like him? And if you don't like him, why?

I personally really like him. I think he's very knowledgable about Martial Arts, he's a really good Play by Play commentator and analyst, and i think he's entertaining.

If you look at the likes of SF and WEC (past tense), i think he's head and shoulders above those guys. Listening to Mauro, Shamrock and co. makes me wanna tear my face off!

So for me it's a "Yay". How about you?

tooler7

Joe Rogan is a LEGEND!!!! He knows so much about the game and is very well respected by many of the top fighters that go to him for advice example GSP, i not a fan of his comedy but fight wise he knows his stuff, Goldberg now i dont like!

Hail 2 Da Thief

I think he does a good job. He's not reading from a script, it's a tough job.
I agree with you about Mauro, he's awfull. For a guy who's been involved in MMA for a long time he still seems to know sweet fa about fighting.
I like Shamrock though, I think he's pretty good!

tooler7 wrote: »

very well respected by many of the top fighters that go to him for advice example GSP

What did GSP go to him for advice about?

SanoVitae

I like him. I prefer Bas and Mauro though. Mauro knows even less about MMA than Goldie!

MrStuffins

I love Bas! Bas is the balls.

But Mauro, sweet Jesus! I hate the way he tries to make everything sound like a lesson in English liturature!

When the next SF rolls around, notice how he is GUARENTEED to call the first round of every fight "the opening stanza" :mad::mad::mad:

SanoVitae

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpw5Bqcv-aY

This is my favourite commentary ever - check out how Mauro and Bas are laughing their asses off as they try to describe Datsik's unique moves, e.g. "the rear mount" at 5min40.

If you haven't seen this fight before, watch it - amazing ending!

Richy06

I like Rogan in his role but I think they need a well spoken, knowledgable fighter in there with him. Like a Rutten or Couture. Goldberg does the presenting stuff very well is is a good announcer, but knows little about the goings on in the cage.

I think the over use of Goldberg brings down the overall production values of the UFC's events, as he's just too ever present througout - between his announcing duties to the VOs on the VTs and promos.

I'd keep the team as is but bring in another guy who has fought before and knows exactly what the guys in the Octogon are going through.

I'd love to see the UFC change up the look of their productions too, it's gotten very stale and samey.

Minstrel27

I do wonder if they will ever bring back Randy for main events like they used to do until he briefly left the company.

Dave!

Joe's a legend, good commentator and a funny bastard

Shame he thinks the moon landing were a hoax...

tooler7

Hail 2 Da Thief wrote: »

What did GSP go to him for advice about?

A spinning side kick he recently said it to Dana White i think it was in one of his blogs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs4uQ6DfKV8

mark.leonard

Its Yay for me I am a fan of his.

Bas and the Fight Professor were the greatest however.

dunkamania

How can you not like Joe Rogan, the man single handedly brought back the fanny pack.

Rogan is head and shoulders above the competition.

Would like to see Florian or Couture back in as the third man, or replacing Goldie.

tooler7

i wouldnt mind seeing Kenny at all as a third man. On mma live on espn he talks very well and obv being a current top ufc fighter knows his stuff.

MrStuffins

I like the fact that there's only 2 guys though. I like how it is now.

What we don't need is when there's 4 of them like on SF!

Kettle316

Yay from me!!

He is a walking encyclopaedia on MMA and is able to break down situations and really explain what exactly is going on, especially when the fight hits the ground!!

Him and Goldie work very well off each other aswell!!

Wouldn't mind seeing Randy, Kenny or Frank Mir added to the team just to get a fighters point of view of the fight aswell!!

DJKendo

He is brilliant

cowzerp

How biased he is to BJJ is a bit irritating but he's ok!

Goldie, get rid and bring in Bas!!

cowzerp

cowzerp wrote: »

How biased he is to BJJ is a bit irritating but he's ok!

Goldie, get rid and bring in Bas!!

I think people are always a little biased towards their base art to be fair. Where I find he is biased is when calling fights that involve 10th Planet students.

I personally like Rogan, he always has a lot of energy and he tries to explain the grappling, which is a productive way to deal with the "stop hugging and fight" brigade!

DrPhilG

I like Rogan, but he's a walking advertisement for 10th Planet JJ.

He constantly throws in all these whacky Eddie Bravo terms like Mission Control, Crackhead Control etc. Does Bravo pay for the advertising?

Jason McCabe

I like Bravo but I agree with the 10th planet references. Everything on the ground seems to be setting up omaplatas or gogoplatas that never happen.


My favourite was the woman on the Japanese version of Pride who used to scream the whole time.


I never was mad on Quadros but enjoyed Bas and his constant talk of liver kicks.

Mauro is just irratating in the extreme.

Goldie is a brain dead. Beem wtaching the sport for years at rngside and is still clueless.

DeVore

Big YAY for Rogan!

Rogan vs The Ice Spill is still legend!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9IfSOxqC2I

DeV.

TechnoPool

he's not bad, but Goldberg is atrocious

Torakx

I much rather listen to Joe Rogan than the advertising goldberg beside him to be honest.
I read up alot on nlp and i see/hear Goldberg using this when he speaks.
So i figure Rogan does the actual commentating and Goldberg must be there for the sponsers and advertisers to keep everything plugged between the action.

YouSavedMyLife

A yay for Rogan from me. Hes a funny guy and knows all the in's and out's of the game. Goldberg has a more of a presenter feel to him, but overall i think thy fit well together. All time fav is Bas and that other dude from pride the fight professor, dont know his actual name though. Thing is could you imagine if you got Rogan and Bas to commentate, (is that a word? ha) they would clash so much i think. You need someone knowledgeable about the sport and do a play by play like Rogan and then someone to say stupid **** like, Atlethic, unorthadox, heavy hands, and do the advertising plugs and stuff. Thats where Goldie comes in

MrStuffins

YouSavedMyLife wrote: »

A yay for Rogan from me. Hes a funny guy and knows all the in's and out's of the game. Goldberg has a more of a presenter feel to him, but overall i think thy fit well together. All time fav is Bas and that other dude from pride the fight professor, dont know his actual name though. Thing is could you imagine if you got Rogan and Bas to commentate, (is that a word? ha) they would clash so much i think. You need someone knowledgeable about the sport and do a play by play like Rogan and then someone to say stupid **** like, Atlethic, unorthadox, heavy hands, and do the advertising plugs and stuff. Thats where Goldie comes in

And to say SUPERMAN-PUNCH everytime there's a Superman Punch.

Or TEEP every time someone uses a kick that looks even a little bit similar to a teep kick!

TechnoPool

Get bas in call the fights along with joe and have goldy do the intro to the fights and pre fight hype outside the cage.



he reminds me of barry scott

DeVore

Believe it or not I have done some commentating for TV/Radio and it works just yousavedmylife posted up above.

Its typically one serious expert and one goofy/light-hearted guy. The reason is that the non-expert can ask the expert the sort of questions people want to ask but might be reluctant to show ignorance of the sport to their mates and also to draw in the not so hard-core viewers and make them feel like they are being included and not shut out by a wall of acronyms and esoterica.

So non-expert goes "whats he doing there??!" expect can reply "Well thats a rear naked choke, he'll be looking to get his legs in to stretch his opponent out, often called "hooks"". Then when the fighters actually do that, you'll hear them say "look there he goes, look!"... reinforcing what they have explained.

This explains the situation to the newcomer fans but also it is a lot more reasonable than listening to just the expert "lecture" you directly from the telly.


DeV.

ormondprop

yay for me aswell, as someone who is a fan and who doesnt fight i really like the way he explains everything and knows what the fighter should do to get out of submissions or how to get back to there feet, joe rogan has thought me nearly everything i know about mma:)

MrStuffins

I'd have never known some of the more technical terms was it not for Joe..........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb6hb7tKCq4

FrostyJack

Definite yay from me, his stand up is brilliant and no one could do his commentary as well. He is like Martin Brundle in F1 (if anyone here watches that )

cowzerp

DeVore wrote: »

Believe it or not I have done some commentating for TV/Radio and it works just yousavedmylife posted up above.

Its typically one serious expert and one goofy/light-hearted guy. The reason is that the non-expert can ask the expert the sort of questions people want to ask but might be reluctant to show ignorance of the sport to their mates and also to draw in the not so hard-core viewers and make them feel like they are being included and not shut out by a wall of acronyms and esoterica.

So non-expert goes "whats he doing there??!" expect can reply "Well thats a rear naked choke, he'll be looking to get his legs in to stretch his opponent out, often called "hooks"". Then when the fighters actually do that, you'll hear them say "look there he goes, look!"... reinforcing what they have explained.

This explains the situation to the newcomer fans but also it is a lot more reasonable than listening to just the expert "lecture" you directly from the telly.


DeV.

Agree with your take on what the partnership is but only experienced fans realise this as Goldie certainly does not, he does not ask anything and just makes stupid comments all the time and thinks he knows what he is talking about, Rogan regularly contradicts him so if anything this would do the opposite to new fans as he is patronising to Goldberg and therefore to beginner fans..

Goldberg is a waste of time in my opinion and does nothing that can not be done by a knowledgable person.

spadesaspade

what a gentleman, i have met him a few times. Outstanding knowledge of the game and seems to explain easily what is happening in the cage. Big up for Joe

SanoVitae

Some classics from Goldie:

Joe Rogan: "Think of leg kicks as like in a video game. The more they take, their power goes right down."

Goldberg: "I know what you're thinking, mighty ball mighty ball DEEP DEEP DEEP!"

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Mike Goldberg: "He's got him in some kind of strange choke I've never seen before!"

Joe Rogan: "That's a rear naked choke."

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Joe Rogan: "Karo is wide open!"

Mike Goldberg: "Diaz smells the opening."

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"Uh, that's Japanese, brother"

Mike Goldberg: "I should have known that."

Joe Rogan: "You're the one married to a Japanese chick."

Mike Goldberg: "That is correct."

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Frank Shamrock: That was a huge knee!"

Mike Goldberg: "That knee was big!"

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UFC 76 Machida vs. Nakamura

Mike Goldberg: "And here is Nakamura...entering the octagon for the 1st time...touching the fence for the first time."

Joe Rogan (laughs)"You running out things to say?"

Mike Goldberg: "Yeah. Kinda(laughs). You? You know, you could help out and chime in once in a while..."



UFC 79 Sokoudjou Vs. Machida

Mike Goldberg: "Because SOAKoudjou is so highly touted, you almost want to sit back and watch and SOAK it in."



Mike Goldberg: "Don't forget coming up next it's Blade the series...plenty of action, violence, vampire sexuality!"

Rogan: "Vampire sexuality, what's that?"

Goldberg: "I don't know, it was on a card they put in front of me"



"The Dean of Mean" Keith Jardine vs Kerry Schall

Goldberg: "If Jardine's last name were Johnson, the nickname Dean of Mean would make no sense."


Parisyan vs Burkman

Joe Rogan: "He's getting instructions in two different languages."

Mike Goldberg: "He understands them both!"


on Travis Lutter

Mike Goldberg: "He's like the Michael Jordan of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu!"

Joe Rogan: "No, he's not"

Mike Goldberg: "Larry Bird?"

Joe Rogan: "Uhm, no."

Mike Goldberg: "Kobe Bryant?"

Joe Rogan: "..."


Couture vs Gonzaga

Joe Rogan: "Here's a beautifull left hook by Gonzaga." Mike Goldberg: "Yup, You can clearly see his nose explode there." Joe Rogan: "I don't think that was it actually, the thing that damaged his nose was in a takedown." Mike Goldberg: "Oh, Gotcha!"

* Clip of Randy taking Gonzaga down (not the headbutt one)

Goldberg: "Oh yeah, you're right, thats it, pardon me." Rogan: "I don't think it was there either, i think it was in another takedown." Goldberg: "Oh."

* Clip of Randy slamming Gonzaga, which caused the broken nose due to a headbutt*

Rogan: "I believe this is what caused it, watch as he takes Gonzaga down, they both collide heads, BAM, thats it, right there." Goldberg: "Oh, good call, good call."



on Kenny Florian after taking a groin shot

Goldberg: "... So you want to be an Ultimate Fighter?"



on "Lil' Evil" Jens Pulver vs. John Lewis

* After "Lil' Evil" Jens Pulver knocked Lewis out*

Goldberg: ""Lil' Eagle" flies again!"



Random Quotes

Goldberg: "He's unrelentless!"

Goldberg: "You know Roy Jones Jr. respects the hands of Forrest Griffin."

Goldberg: "And here we go!"

Goldberg: "And it's all over!"

Goldberg: "That eye is rocked!"

Goldberg: "Could we be blessed with a 3rd round?"

Goldberg: "Continuing on his meteoric rise!"

DrPhilG

Time to drag this lot out again I see...

Joe Rogan: "Think of leg kicks as like in a video game. The more they take, their power goes right down."

Goldberg: "I know what you're thinking, mighty ball mighty ball DEEP DEEP DEEP!"



Mike Goldberg: "He's got him in some kind of strange choke I've never seen before!"

Joe Rogan: "That's a rear naked choke."



Joe Rogan: "Karo is wide open!"

Mike Goldberg: "Diaz smells the opening."



Mike Goldberg: "You can hear the corner speaking portuguese!"

Joe Rogan: "Uh, that's Japanese, brother"

Mike Goldberg: "I should have known that."

Joe Rogan: "You're the one married to a Japanese chick."

Mike Goldberg: "That is correct."



Frank Shamrock: "Ohhhh huge knee!"

Mike Goldberg: "Big knee!"

Frank Shamrock: "That was a huge knee!"

Mike Goldberg: "That knee was big!"



Goldberg: "Welcome back, Randy Couture. This fight brought to you by..."

Sylvia gets knocked down in the first 8 seconds

Rogan: "Big right hand! Sylvia is down!"

Goldberg: "...Shooter. Starring Mark Wahlberg in theatres next Friday."



Mike Goldberg: "And here is Nakamura...entering the octagon for the 1st time...touching the fence for the first time."

Joe Rogan laughs)"You running out things to say?"

Mike Goldberg: "Yeah. Kinda(laughs). You? You know, you could help out and chime in once in a while..."



Mike Goldberg: "Because SOAKoudjou is so highly touted, you almost want to sit back and watch and SOAK it in."


Mike Goldberg: "Don't forget coming up next it's Blade the series...plenty of action, violence, vampire sexuality!"

Rogan: "Vampire sexuality, what's that?"

Goldberg: "I don't know, it was on a card they put in front of me"



Goldberg: "If Jardine's last name were Johnson, the nickname Dean of Mean would make no sense."



Joe Rogan: "He's getting instructions in two different languages."

Mike Goldberg: "He understands them both!"



on Travis Lutter

Mike Goldberg: "He's like the Michael Jordan of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu!"

Joe Rogan: "No, he's not"

Mike Goldberg: "Larry Bird?"

Joe Rogan: "Uhm, no."

Mike Goldberg: "Kobe Bryant?"



Couture vs Gonzaga

Joe Rogan: "Here's a beautifull left hook by Gonzaga."

Mike Goldberg: "Yup, You can clearly see his nose explode there."

Joe Rogan: "I don't think that was it actually, the thing that damaged his nose was in a takedown."

Mike Goldberg: "Oh, Gotcha!"

Clip of Randy taking Gonzaga down (not the headbutt one)
Goldberg: "Oh yeah, you're right, thats it, pardon me."

Rogan: "I don't think it was there either, i think it was in another takedown."

Goldberg: "Oh."

Clip of Randy slamming Gonzaga, which caused the broken nose due to a headbutt*

Rogan: "I believe this is what caused it, watch as he takes Gonzaga down, they both collide heads, BAM, thats it, right there."

Goldberg: "Oh, good call, good call."



After "Lil' Evil" Jens Pulver knocked Lewis out*
Goldberg: ""Lil' Eagle" flies again!"



Random Quotes

Goldberg: "He's unrelentless!"

Goldberg: "You know Roy Jones Jr. respects the hands of Forrest Griffin."

Goldberg: "And here we go!"

Goldberg: "And it's all over!"

Goldberg: "That eye is rocked!"

Goldberg: "Could we be blessed with a 3rd round?"

Goldberg: "Continuing on his meteoric rise!"

Goldberg: "His precision is...really precise."

Goldberg: "He has excellent Muay Pie...Muay Thai."

Goldberg: "He wants to get in close and use that reach advantage."

Goldberg: Tito taking a book out of CHUCK'S chapter right there!

And the all time best ever...

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up they would pound each other behind the barn!"

Ouch.

DrPhilG

Dammit, 4 minutes too late!

Although you missed the barn pounding one and a few randoms!

SanoVitae

There's also this -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF6WRDGLG3c&feature=related

It includes Tito Ortiz "taking a book out of Chuck's chapter"

Pauleta

I love Rogan. Im not a seasoned participator or viewer of MMA and he explains a lot of whats going on. Another thing is that him and Goldberg dont have an intense style of commentary which is good when you watch live events. At 3-6 in the morning its good to have all the action plus a few moments where they take the piss out of someone or something.

fakearms123

I personally really like Mike Goldberg and Joe Rogan together but they are missing someone and I think that person is Randy Couture, these three together were great during the spell of about a year until Randy returned to fighting. I'm not mad about Florian or Bonnar though.

SanoVitae

Bonnar looks like he's on something when commentating!

johnny_adidas

Goldberg's pimping of chocolate bars and beers are getting ridiculous at this stage. At the last event there was one of the fights, where both fighters went at it from the get go and he was waffling on about something or other. wanted rogan to tell him to shut up (may have been the bjp-hughes fight, not sure)

I really enjoy Rogan's commentary though so thats a yay from me

MrStuffins

johnny_adidas wrote: »

Goldberg's pimping of chocolate bars and beers are getting ridiculous at this stage. At the last event there was one of the fights, where both fighters went at it from the get go and he was waffling on about something or other. wanted rogan to tell him to shut up (may have been the bjp-hughes fight, not sure)

I really enjoy Rogan's commentary though so thats a yay from me

hahaha, the plugs CAN get a bit ridiculous but that's his job i guess. UFC have sponsors, sponsors who pay big money to have Goldberg read out their slogan or whatever during a fight!

I personally Goldberg, he's completely clueless and without Rogan i don't think i could bear him, but they're good together!

DrPhilG

MrStuffins wrote: »

hahaha, the plugs CAN get a bit ridiculous but that's his job i guess. UFC have sponsors, sponsors who pay big money to have Goldberg read out their slogan or whatever during a fight

Exactly. Take out Goldie and put in Bas or anyone else, you'll still have either Rogan or whoever is with him throwing in the sponsor names.

Tones69

I like Goldy, met him couple times, cool dude, him and joe go good together

DrPhilG

At the UFC 95 Fight Club Q&A, someone asked Goldie the most ridiculous slogan he's been asked to announce. He said there were too many to list, but the funniest experience he had was in Dublin before 93. Someone stopped him on the street and asked, "Hey Goldie, what's the difference"? Goldie didn't know what he was on about and the guy asked a few more times. Goldie eventually said he didn't know and the smart arse replied in his best Goldie advertising voice...

"The difference... is drinkability"!

gloryutd

Deleted User wrote: »

I think people are always a little biased towards their base art to be fair.

Base art is taekwondo. Know your ****, son!

SanoVitae

One of Joe's rare commentary errors -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5itUSXrguF0

Maldini2706

I think Rogan is a big factor in the success of the UFC, he's a very good communicator and his colour commentary is a kind of MMA 101 for new fans without being too patronising to established fans.

MonkeyBalls

Joe gets a big thumbs up from me. He's one of the best assets the UFC has - very knowledgeable, honest, clued-in, enthusiastic, excellent communicator, and just a cool guy all round.

People who accuse him of being "extremely biased" are retarded. He's human and if he were more objective he'd be a robot. He's allowed to have a couple of favourite fighters.

He does an excellent job, consistently.

Goldy on the other hand....well...

mailburner

yah for rogan
he is near irreplaceable imo
he's funny and has such a great knowledge
of the game.
speaks his mind also when dodgy decisions are made
which is what people want to hear like myself when
my double went down on machida recently :mad:

florian isn't too bad when he's commentating but
when he has to do rogans job interviewing a fighter
after a win, he's useless and doesn't ask the questions
people want to hear.
He's just a bit dull really imo


frank mir did a wec a while back and i thought he was super,
equally as knowledgeable as joe, did a great job commentating
and was equally good at interview fighters afterwards
I think mir and rogan would be a great combo

As for strikeforce... as long as mauro isn't commentating
im fine with it, find pat miletich very good and shamrock ok
but after watching tuf finale first and then strikeforce
i found by the time i got to the lawler fight i just had to
mute it with mauro commentating

Oh_Noes

Big Nay from me. Can't stand the way he constantly goes on about what the fighters should be doing. He's becoming a bit too much like Jimmy Hill. I think Pat Miletich does a very good job. Kenny Florian is good too and I think he's first on their list if Rogan is unavailable.

ScareGilly

I say get Rogan & Goldy out, get Bas Rutten and Don Frye in!