I got undertaken last night

Technique

Couldn't believe it. Driving about 50mph on an single lane national road with a hard shoulder. The car behind kept getting closer and closer and then 'disappeared'. Glanced over my left shoulder and he was passing me on the inside. Irish reg, but eastern european stickers on the car. Is it common practice in other countries? First time it happened to me.

squod

Technique R.I.P

drunkmonkey

If they were on my tail i'd probably move into the hard shoulder and give them a little room to pass,
I think they were trying to tell you something:rolleyes:

Why did you not move to just inside the hard shoulder to let them overtake you?

colm_mcm

They all pass on the left in eastern Europe :-)

mickdw

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If they were on my tail i'd probably move into the hard shoulder and give them a little room to pass,
I think they were trying to tell you something:rolleyes:

To be quite honest, you cannot condon someone overtaking a car moving a 50 mph by going down the hard shoulder.

Technique

So the general concensus is that 50mph is too slow to be driving at night?

Tragedy

Technique wrote: »

So the general concensus is that 50mph is too slow to be driving at night?

It's that regardless of them being dangerous fools by undertaking, if you have room to move over and there's someone behind you - do.

The general consensus is you drive with some common sense.

If someone wants to overtake you at 60mph or 160mph, you should make it as safe for them to do so as possible

Technique

salonfire wrote: »

The general consensus is you drive with some common sense.

If someone wants to overtake you at 60mph or 160mph, you should make it as safe for them to do so as possible

Your implication is that I was hogging the white line (I wasn't).

I was driving with common sense, as I usually do. My fellow road user wasn't.

mickdw

Sounds like lunacy to me that someone would zoom down the hard shoulder. THey would have a poor view of any pedestrians etc. Sure most drivers would move aside to let the faster car go but that is another argument. THey shouldnt have overtaken like that.

delly

I got undertaken on the M1 before, while I was on the inside lane and something a bit faster was on the outside lane. I watched the guy do it a few times before he disappeared and it seemed he had a set speed and if he came against any hold went over to the hard shoulder without lifting off. An organ donor if ever I saw one.

Stinicker

I usually get up close to the guy infront and hope he gets the message to move over besides being a hindrance to the flow of traffic, if despite my tailgating I then proceed to give him a flash of the headlights to see would he get the hint to move over, if he fails to comply I then overtake him where safely and legally possible. I only resort the the above on roads where over taking is quite difficult due to turns, heavy oncoming traffic or a continuous white line.

To the OP it is not really acceptable to drive along at 50mph/80km/h on a main national road, the rules of the road states:

When the way is clear, move out and adjust your speed to that of the normal flow of traffic.

Avoid driving too slowly

In normal road and traffic conditions, keep up with the pace of the traffic flow while obeying the speed limit. While you must keep a safe distance away from the vehicle in front, you should not drive so slowly that your vehicle unnecessarily blocks other road users. If you drive too slowly, you risk frustrating other drivers, which could lead to dangerous overtaking.

Basically you were driving at an unreasonable speed on the road and frustrated the other driver, causing him to behave erratically and thus undertake you. The fact that he was Eastern European is irrelevant and slow drivers are the height of danger on the road and extremely annoying.

I myself drove from Newry to Kerry today and encountered three slowcoaches on the motorway puttering along at about 60km/h, on one occasion I encountered a Toyota Yaris on a curved section which gave me only precious seconds to reduce my speed from 120km/h down to 60km/h, the near mandatory idiot hogging the overtaking lane at the time prevented me being able to overtake at the time.

Had I been breaking the speed limit doing say 160-170km/h I might not have been able to slow down in time causing me to either rear end the slow car or swerve into the knobjockey in the overtaking lane, either way there might have been an accident most likely fatal for me and someone else while the slowcoach would most likely have escaped.

montane

Stinicker wrote: »

I usually get up close to the guy infront and hope he gets the message to move over besides being a hindrance to the flow of traffic, if despite my tailgating I then proceed to give him a flash of the headlights to see would he get the hint to move over, if he fails to comply I then overtake him where safely and legally possible. I only resort the the above on roads where over taking is quite difficult due to turns, heavy oncoming traffic or a continuous white line.

To the OP it is not really acceptable to drive along at 50mph/80km/h on a main national road, the rules of the road states:

Basically you were driving at an unreasonable speed on the road and frustrated the other driver, causing him to behave erratically and thus undertake you. The fact that he was Eastern European is irrelevant and slow drivers are the height of danger on the road and extremely annoying.

There you go OP, it's all your fault - you frustrated the poor fellow behind you and caused him to use the hard shoulder. And you should have been driving at the speed of the rest of the traffic, even though that comprised only of one wreckless driver behind you. Oh did I mention, welcome to gob$hite Ireland?

x in the city

Technique wrote: »

Your implication is that I was hogging the white line (I wasn't).

I was driving with common sense, as I usually do. My fellow road user wasn't.

50mph is s l o w..

some people might have a sense of more urgency to get to where they are going, it seems you had no intention to pull in to let the driver behind pass out, and that is bad driving.

where they are from has nothing to do with it, of course passing on the inside lane is ridiculous, i never done it, but i guess someone would do it.

its this type is ignorant driving that has made driving in ireland pretty hair pulling stuff

Mozoltov!

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If they were on my tail i'd probably move into the hard shoulder and give them a little room to pass,
I think they were trying to tell you something:rolleyes:

salonfire wrote: »

Why did you not move to just inside the hard shoulder to let them overtake you?

Why would you do that? Hey, if you want to dip in to a hard shoulder were there could be rubbish, truck tyres, debris, glass, stones etc, be my guest. If I'm doing the speed limit or more, don't expect me to put myself in danger just so you can get somewhere that little bit quicker.

Sit your ass behind and wait 'til it's safe to overtake. Undertaking is dangerous enough as it is, let alone undertaking on a hard shoulder at night time FFS.

Calibos

I do wonder whats going on in peoples heads sometimes. For my first 6 months of driving before and after my test(passed first time) my driving consisted of town and dcw driving. On my first trip on national single lane roads to Cork (long time ago), it took me about 5 minutes to cop on to the etiquette. If someone comes up behind you, it doesn't matter if you are at the limit, pull over, let him pass, he flashes the hazzards as a thank you and you flash the lights as an acknowledgement.

In a perfect world, we'd all obey every rule of the road and keep to the speed limits but when one has to drive in an imperfect world its better to swallow your pride for your sake, the sake of the other speeding driver and the sake of someone coming in the other direction, just let people past FFS.

djimi

Tragedy wrote: »

It's that regardless of them being dangerous fools by undertaking, if you have room to move over and there's someone behind you - do.

From the sounds of it the car behind wasnt tailgating or anything like that, so why should the OP move into the hard shoulder when they see a car coming up behind them? Most sane drivers with an IQ higher than their shoe size are happy to drive behind another car when it is doing the speed limit or close to it, especially at night, so why should a driver immediately pull into the hard shoulder?

Personally I drive at the speed limit most of the time, and I wont move into the hard shoulder unless the driver behind me is acting dangerously in an attempt to pass me. At night Id be even more reluctant to pull into the hard shoulder as gods knows what you are driving into. I really hate the attitude some people have on here that drivers should just drive off the road to accomodate faster drivers coming up behind them. If someone is doing the speed limit then they are in no way obliged to pander to another drivers speeding habits.

Tragedy

djimi wrote: »

From the sounds of it the car behind wasnt tailgating or anything like that, so why should the OP move into the hard shoulder when they see a car coming up behind them? Most sane drivers with an IQ higher than their shoe size are happy to drive behind another car when it is doing the speed limit or close to it, especially at night, so why should a driver immediately pull into the hard shoulder?

Personally I drive at the speed limit most of the time, and I wont move into the hard shoulder unless the driver behind me is acting dangerously in an attempt to pass me. At night Id be even more reluctant to pull into the hard shoulder as gods knows what you are driving into. I really hate the attitude some people have on here that drivers should just drive off the road to accomodate faster drivers coming up behind them. If someone is doing the speed limit then they are in no way obliged to pander to another drivers speeding habits.

By your post, you're an ignorant and discourteous driver. It isn't your responsibility or job to check others speeds, moderate or control them. While you nave no legal need to move into the hard shoulder to let a car past it's common courtesy to do so. It's people like you who make driving unnecessarily stressful and dangerous by riding their mighty horse of "Well I'm doing the speedlimit so they shouldn't want to get past me anyway."

Wise up and don't be a pain in the ass to other road users just because you can.

Mozoltov!

Tragedy wrote: »

By your post, you're an ignorant and discourteous driver. It isn't your responsibility or job to check others speeds, moderate or control them.

Nor is it his, nor anyone elses, responsibility to accomodate such stupid and dangerous driving tactics, especially at night time in winter.

While you nave no legal need to move into the hard shoulder to let a car past it's common courtesy to do so.

Not where I'm from it isn't.

It's people like you who make driving unnecessarily stressful and dangerous by riding their mighty horse of "Well I'm doing the speedlimit so they shouldn't want to get past me anyway."

No it's not. It's people who undertake on a hard shoulder in the dark during winter and/or expect people to move in to the hard shoulder while driving at night in winter to allow them to pass.

Wise up and don't be a pain in the ass to other road users just because you can.

He's not the one who needs to wise up. I'll never endanger my life just so someone can get home 5 minutes quicker. If you want to, then go right ahead but don't try push your beliefs and opinions on to others.

If you don't want to drive safely and properly that's your choice, fair enough, but don't go speaking like that to people just because they don't share the same mind set as yourself and use your driving ethics.

Bumpstop

Technique,

I can't believe some of the replies to your post.
first of all I am horrified by your being undertaken in this manner.

How dare anyone endanger your life by harrying the back of your car and eventually undertaking you, a simple mechanical failure (blow out, ignition failure, panic,etc) could kill everyone involved. People who tailgate don't understand how simply it can all go wrong.

You are under no obligation to pull into the hard shoulder and let someone go, and it is illegall to do so.

Marcusm

Tragedy wrote: »

By your post, you're an ignorant and discourteous driver. It isn't your responsibility or job to check others speeds, moderate or control them. While you nave no legal need to move into the hard shoulder to let a car past it's common courtesy to do so. It's people like you who make driving unnecessarily stressful and dangerous by riding their mighty horse of "Well I'm doing the speedlimit so they shouldn't want to get past me anyway."

Wise up and don't be a pain in the ass to other road users just because you can.

It's "common courtesy" to execute a dangerous manoeuvre (driving on the hard shoulder of an unlit road" to allow someone else to exceed the speed limit?

I had a lot of sympathy for your motorway story (although unsure as to the need for homophobic epithets - knob jockey) but not sure this is really "common courtesy".

kdevitt

I'm unsure as to whether or not people have read the OP's post before posting, or if they're on a windup, or have a template made up that automatically replies to posts with the word 'undertake' in them which assumes lane-hogging.

National speed limit is 100kph - so while doing 80kph is leaving a bit of leeway, its still decent pace for night driving on a single lane road. Given that the road in question has a hard shoulder, its fair to presume that theres space to overtake correctly, so how anyone can condone undertaking in beyond me.

Theres not a hope I'd ever pull onto a hard shoulder to let someone past - my tyres cost enough as it is without driving through all the crap that gets spat to the side of the road, and apart from anything else - and as stated above, its illegal.

Max Power1

kdevitt wrote: »

I'm unsure as to whether or not people have read the OP's post before posting, or if they're on a windup, or have a template made up that automatically replies to posts with the word 'undertake' in them which assumes lane-hogging.

National speed limit is 100kph - so while doing 80kph is leaving a bit of leeway, its still decent pace for night driving on a single lane road. Given that the road in question has a hard shoulder, its fair to presume that theres space to overtake correctly, so how anyone can condone undertaking in beyond me.

Theres not a hope I'd ever pull onto a hard shoulder to let someone past - my tyres cost enough as it is without driving through all the crap that gets spat to the side of the road, and apart from anything else - and as stated above, its illegal.

+1

Why the HELL should I pull over into the hard shoulder to let some ignorant fcuker past. If he wanted to go there faster, he should have left earlier.

Someone tries to tailgate me when Im going the speed limit? Well then its slooooooowwww down time. Big time.

steve9859

Max Power1 wrote: »

+1

Why the HELL should I pull over into the hard shoulder to let some ignorant fcuker past. If he wanted to go there faster, he should have left earlier.

Someone tries to tailgate me when Im going the speed limit? Well then its slooooooowwww down time. Big time.

But the OP said they were driving at 50mph. If you are driving that slowly it is incredibly irresponsible NOT to pull over and let someone past you. If someone in front of me were doing that they would get tailgated, flashed, and I would lean on the horn of they didnt move.

If someone is driving at 100 or 120kph whatever the speed limit is, then agreed they should not feel a responsibility to let someone by, but blocking the road driving at 75kph is reckless

djimi

Tragedy wrote: »

By your post, you're an ignorant and discourteous driver. It isn't your responsibility or job to check others speeds, moderate or control them. While you nave no legal need to move into the hard shoulder to let a car past it's common courtesy to do so. It's people like you who make driving unnecessarily stressful and dangerous by riding their mighty horse of "Well I'm doing the speedlimit so they shouldn't want to get past me anyway."

Wise up and don't be a pain in the ass to other road users just because you can.

Ignorant and discourteous? More ignorant than someone who has the attitude of "Im going to drive as fast as I want and its up to everyone else to get the f**k out of my way"?

So its the people who drive at the speed limit who make driving unnecessarily stressful and dangerous? Not the ones who come flying up behind them and expect them to pull into a hard shoulder in the middle of the night?

Get a grip mate. Reread your post again and hopefully youll realise how ignorant and arrogant you come across.

Max Power1

steve9859 wrote: »

But the OP said they were driving at 50mph. If you are driving that slowly it is incredibly irresponsible NOT to pull over and let someone past you. If someone in front of me were doing that they would get tailgated, flashed, and I would lean on the horn of they didnt move.

If someone is driving at 100 or 120kph whatever the speed limit is, then agreed they should not feel a responsibility to let someone by, but blocking the road driving at 75kph is reckless

What if the speed limit on the road in question was 50 mph?

Incidentally, anyone who tries that crap (tailgating etc) on me gets the slow down brakes on treatment. I normally drive at or above the speed limit so no need to tailgate.

Cabaal

Everyone is assuming the OP is somehow driving slowly, it could be the case that it was a 50km zone, regardless of what speed the OP is driving at you'd have to be a complete idiot to undertake somebody on the hard shoulder.

Surely if he was driving slow in say a 80km zone it should be no problem for the other driver to overtake him in the normal way, yet people are some how condeming the OP instead of the idiot driver.

:rolleyes:

steve9859

Cabaal wrote: »

Everyone is assuming the OP is somehow driving slowly, it could be the case that it was a 50km zone, regardless of what speed the OP is driving at you'd have to be a complete idiot to undertake somebody on the hard shoulder.

Surely if he was driving slow in say a 80km zone it should be no problem for the other driver to overtake him in the normal way, yet people are some how condeming the OP instead of the idiot driver.

:rolleyes:

If a country road has a hard shoulder wide enough for someone to undertake on then it is almost certainly a 100 / 120kpmh road. The guy is an idiot to undertake, and I wouldnt not do that. But at the same time the OP is ignorant to not pull over driving that slowly

nisior

It's happened to me in Connemara once and in Cork once. It's really weird!!

Cantona's Collars

If the op was driving at night it's downright dangerous to pull into the hard shoulder to allow something to pass.What if he pulled in and hit a pedestrian or stationary object?.Even so the guy that passed him was a fcuking moron.
Happened to me recently and I was doing just over the speed limit,same thing-an Eastern European swerved between a tractor I just passed and my car to pass myself and the car in front on the inside.He the proceeded to drive on the wrong side of the road for about 500 yards causing oncoming traffic to swerve into the hard shoulder to avoid him.His best manouvere however was passing two trucks while coming to the top of a hill with a blind spot on top-anyone coming the other way wouldn't have had a hope of avoiding him.
The badness came out in me and I was hoping to find him upside down in a ditch but that usually happens to some poor innocent who's a victim of moronic driving.

Zubeneschamali

steve9859 wrote: »

If a country road has a hard shoulder wide enough for someone to undertake on then it is almost certainly a 100 / 120kpmh road.

There's a single-lane road with a 120 limit in this country? I don't think so.

CarMuppet

On a similar note... I saw a motorcycle undertake a few cars yesterday @ 11:30am on the Airport Hill in Cork yesterday heading into the city. This guy used the 'bike cycle lane' to undertake cars... The cars/traffic flow was travelling @ ~80km/h.. the bike was (@ a guess >120kmh).

Cabaal

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

There's a single-lane road with a 120 limit in this country? I don't think so.

The very fact that steve9859 thinks there's a 120km national road/country road in Ireland says alot really :rolleyes:

MagicMarker

Technique wrote: »

So the general concensus is that 50mph is too slow to be driving at night?

Troll has to be a troll.

I'm not condoning the other driver's actions but that is ridiculously slow for a national road (assuming it was an 80km limit).

edit: Hold on, OP says mph, if this is the case then that's fine.

Cabaal

Just noticed that as well, so he was doing 80km on a country road, what exactly is the problem with this?

djimi

steve9859 wrote: »

If a country road has a hard shoulder wide enough for someone to undertake on then it is almost certainly a 100 / 120kpmh road.

Not necessarily. The road between Naas and Newbridge for example is a two lane carriageway with a hard shoulder wide enough to drive in, yet it has a speed limit of 80kmph.

shedweller

Technique, what was the speed limit at the time? Was it 80kph or 100kph?

Minstrel27

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If they were on my tail i'd probably move into the hard shoulder and give them a little room to pass,
I think they were trying to tell you something:rolleyes:

Yeah OP, It's all your fault. It has nothing to do with the ignorant prick who undertook you.

CiniO

nisior wrote: »

It's happened to me in Connemara once and in Cork once. It's really weird!!

Where exactly in Connemara you found a road with hard shoulder? Because I drive through Connemara very often, but never seen any hard shoulder.

CiniO

Bumpstop wrote: »

You are under no obligation to pull into the hard shoulder and let someone go, and it is illegall to do so.

That's true that no one is under obligation to move to hard shoulder, but it is not illegal. (except from motorway where is it).
Normally you are adviced to do so, if you want to let someone overtake.

I personally move to hard shoulder whenever there is someone willing to overtake, with 2 exceptions.

1. I never do it during the night, as to do so you have to see if hard shoulder is clear for fair distance, and it can't be seen during the night.

2. I never do it, if there's no point - meaning - there is no traffic coming from the other side and it's perfectly easy for someone behind me to overtake.
Sometime I just dont understand drivers. They tailgate, I can see they want me to move to hard shoulder, even there is lots of space on the other lane to overtake, as there is nothing coming from the other side.

CiniO

Technique wrote: »

Irish reg, but eastern european stickers on the car.

Can you give some more details?
What stickers was it, that you describe them as easern european stickers?

bazzachazza

mickdw wrote: »

To be quite honest, you cannot condon someone overtaking a car moving a 50 mph by going down the hard shoulder.

The only thing I will say on this post


Its quite obvious the number of people who haven't read the OP's post before posting, I mean actually READ NOT LOOK AT. Yes he put it in old speak but its quite clearly MILES PER HOUR. Yet lots of people assumed it was in Kilometers per hour.

Also the number of people assuming the speed limit the OP was driving in is ridiculous. Talk about blowing your own foot off, get the full facts before shooting your mouths off folks.

The number of sections of National road with hard-shoulders with peoples homes, businesses and farms immediately off them is too numerous to count. Yet people daily recklessly dive into the hard-shoulder as if its a driving lane never planning on anything popping out of one of these entrances. I can assure you that most people that live or work in one of these types of dwelling never expect a vehicle to be driving full pelt down it. The number of these entrances that have high obstructions blocking views as well and you lot want the OP to dive in there at NIGHT and risk his life and others just for someone to get home seconds earlier.

The number of people make Idiotic statements on Motors recently is really taking the shine off this forum for me recently and the number of people supporting these statements without reading the full topic is unreal. I don't bother posting in topics on SPEEDING anymore because of this. If you ever wanted to really know why speed cameras have been introduced in this country well you just have to read one of these topics and see what the Irish mentality/attitude to speed is and you will understand.

OP you did nothing wrong in fact I would have only done one thing different and that would have been to report the driver for Dangerous driving immediately.

Mozoltov!

steve9859 wrote: »

If a country road has a hard shoulder wide enough for someone to undertake on then it is almost certainly a 100 / 120kpmh road. The guy is an idiot to undertake, and I wouldnt not do that. But at the same time the OP is ignorant to not pull over driving that slowly

There's a local road for me which is 60kmh and has hard shoulders both sides wide enough to fit 2 small cars in but there's house/farm gates and driveways and a couple turns for other roads so undertaking on it would be suicide.

drunkmonkey

Mozoltov! wrote: »

There's a local road for me which is 60kmh and has hard shoulders both sides wide enough to fit 2 small cars in but there's house/farm gates and driveways and a couple turns for other roads so undertaking on it would be suicide.

Look, if you can see ahead and you can move in a little bit for a few seconds to let someone past, do it.
Sitting out on a high horse taking up a good sized road just because you can is being a dick.
Anything can happen on the road, moving in a bit to the hard shoulder is no more suicidal than normal driving.
Have a bit of courtesy for other road users instead of stressing everybody out.
I have cruise control which is next near impossible to use in this country due to the fluctuating speed of drivers with no cruise control. 50 can turn into 30 and up 70, a lot of drivers are all over the place. There not keeping constant speed.
I won't even start on the middle/outside lane drivers, i'm presuming there of the same mentality as the drivers who won't move in a little bit on the hard shoulder to let you past.

no1beemerfan

About a year ago I was driving between Roscrea and Borris in Ossory and there was a transit and two cars ahead of me. The first car was only doing about 45 to 50 mph and wouldn't keep in to let others pass so the transit undertook the two cars.


I was left thinking I wish I'd the balls to do that because when you are on a road as good and as wide at that road it does infuriate people when those that insist on crawling along don't have the brains common decency/scense to pull over.

celticbest

Technique wrote: »

Driving about 50mph on an single lane national road with a hard shoulder.

Firstly under no circumstances should anyone undertake on the left on a single carriage road.

Secondly if the OP was doing (50mph) 80KPH then they were most likely going 20KPH below the speed limit as most National routes are 100kph, if I saw another vehicle coming up behind me I would move over to give it enough room to pass safely it is not up to me to regulate other people speed.

Mozoltov!

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Look, if you can see ahead and you can move in a little bit for a few seconds to let someone past, do it.
Sitting out on a high horse taking up a good sized road just because you can is being a dick.

Calm down there Ted. Nobody can see up a driveway which is shrowded with hedges and trees and what not growing on the road side so there's no way in hell I'd be moving in to this particular hard shoulder to let anyone past me.

The central divider is solid and the road leads in to the town where they wont get above 30kmh passing through with the traffic so whoever is behind can sit there and be patient.

If someone hasn't got the horses to overtake me properly and continue on then there car definitely wouldn't be able for some of the twists and turns on some roads in this country while driving in excess of the limit.

Anything can happen on the road, moving in a bit to the hard shoulder is no more suicidal than normal driving.
Have a bit of courtesy for other road users instead of stressing everybody out.

Eh, pot, kettle, black? If you'd common courtesy for your fellow drivers you wouldn't act like a dick and try force them in to a hard shoulder so you can get by. You'd wait 'til it's legal and safe to overtake them.

I have cruise control which is next near impossible to use in this country due to the fluctuating speed of drivers with no cruise control. 50 can turn into 30 and up 70, a lot of drivers are all over the place. There not keeping constant speed.

Why you would use cruise control for such small speeds is beyond me. I wouldn't class 50 or 60kmh as a cruising speed.

I won't even start on the middle/outside lane drivers, i'm presuming there of the same mentality as the drivers who won't move in a little bit on the hard shoulder to let you past.

No I can use multi-lane roads & motorways properly. Overtake and straight back in and move to the most left lane. If I see someone up ahead in the middle lane I wont overtake them. I'll move in to their lane in one maneuver, check again for the outter most lane to be clear, move in, overtake, move back to their lane, check again, and then move back in to the outter most lane if it's clear.

drunkmonkey

Mozoltov! wrote: »

You'd wait 'til it's legal and safe to overtake them.

I'm not saying pull in if it's dangerous, but if it's not you should. Our roads are ****, there full of **** drivers and overtaking is a blood sport at the best of times.

If it's safe pull in a bit and let the other driver past, that's all. I don't see how you making such a drama out of it. It's not a biggie.

Regardless of some opinions here I think moving into the hard shoulder to allow someone to pass common courtesy and the right thing to do. Its not as dangerous as some people appear to think, its certainly not full of debris and other stuff and if you are watching where you are going you will see any big object like a parked car or pedestrian.

If more people who insist on driving at slow speeds would pull in to allow faster moving traffic to pass I'm convinced it would reduce head on collisions which are often caused by frustrated drivers taking risks when stuck behind slow moving cars.

The undertaking was totally wrong, the slow speed of the op does not excuse that but 50mph on a road that is good enough to have a hard shoulder is much too slow to be driving.

Mozoltov!

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'm not saying pull in if it's dangerous, but if it's not you should. Our roads are ****, there full of **** drivers and overtaking is a blood sport at the best of times.

If it's safe pull in a bit and let the other driver past, that's all. I don't see how you making such a drama out of it. It's not a biggie.

It is when the road I'm talking about only leads to housing estates, a retirement home & the town centre. They're not going anywhere. Unless I see blue lights behind me I'll stay where I am on this particular road.