The single farm payment

Min

Just a poll on what people want for the new cap, the existing regime based on the past farm production or a newer way of deciding who gets what.

I noted the IFA president was not happy this morning on the radio when it was suggested a fairer system with payments capped for farmers who get large payment, John Bryan was in fact trying to protect these farmers.
He said active farmers are currently getting what they deserve based on the activity of farming on the farm. He didn't seem to get the point that some farmers farmed the subsidies and these are the real beneficiaries of the historical based payment scheme.

I would like change and for the IFA to stop trying to protect the farmers who get large SFP payments.

Birdnuts

Min wrote: »

Just a poll on what people want for the new cap, the existing regime based on the past farm production or a newer way of deciding who gets what.

I noted the IFA president was not happy this morning on the radio when it was suggested a fairer system with payments capped for farmers who get large payment, John Bryan was in fact trying to protect these farmers.
He said active farmers are currently getting what they deserve based on the activity of farming on the farm. He didn't seem to get the point that some farmers farmed the subsidies and these are the real beneficiaries of the historical based payment scheme.

I would like change and for the IFA to stop trying to protect the farmers who get large SFP payments.

I totally agree - I'm sick to death of the IFA defending the massive indefensible payments to the biggest farmers and corporations to the detriment of the small man, not to mention the bad PR this generates for all farmers among the non-farming community:mad::mad:

Quietman

I would like to see change too. I inherited a 40 acre farm from my uncle a couple of years ago. There wasn't much done during the reference years so the SFP is so small it's useless. I have built a shed and put cattle on the land but my dayjob is paying for all this. I want to make a go of it but I need help from somewhere. There is a need for a fairer system for those who are farming now.

Jack C

I don't think we have to worry about the existing system staying. What we do have to worry about is that the new CAP budget is going to be spread more evenly over 27 member states. It's enevitable that most SFPs are going to take a big hit. As regards the IFA they'll be urinating against the wind when they try to disagree with our friend Dacian.

whelan1

i would be very interested in hearing the views of the one person who thinks it should stay the same:rolleyes:

Jack C

I guess if I were one of the 3000 plus who are recieving over €40,000 SFP, I wouldn't vote for a change.

Birdnuts

whelan1 wrote: »

i would be very interested in hearing the views of the one person who thinks it should stay the same:rolleyes:

Give our Larry a call;)

pakalasa

Did anyone notice too that Coolmore Stud wasn't to be found on the database?
What strings were pulled there I wonder?

To be honest it would be better for us if it stayed the same. We have a high payment per acre. Our farm is very small, but we worked it hard during the reference years.

The system is very unfair though on young farmers starting up. If you dont have a single payment, you really are producing at cost.

PANADOL

Quietman wrote: »

I would like to see change too. I inherited a 40 acre farm from my uncle a couple of years ago. There wasn't much done during the reference years so the SFP is so small it's useless. I have built a shed and put cattle on the land but my dayjob is paying for all this. I want to make a go of it but I need help from somewhere. There is a need for a fairer system for those who are farming now.

i have no sfp so iam not sure what is going to happen in 2013 , should i buy entitlements in 2011 or just wait in the hope that all active farmers without any sfp will be awarded the eu average sfp/hectare post 2013 how is this new system going to work if you have sfp is it going to be cut /if you have no entitlements /sfp are you locked out

F.D

We have a reasonable SFP at home we're glad of it and i'd hate to see it go but i would like to see it changed, my dad and i inhereted the farm a few years ago and to this date we have not taken a penny out of it we are building up stock numbers, sheds etc to try and get in a position where it can stand on its own feet
I am sick of farmers in the locality mainly older ones sitting on Big sfps with 20 cattle wandering around 100 acres, with no go in them or not passing it onto someone who will drive it on an make a go of it.
I think it should be assessed yearly on some measure of productivness eg on your headage or tonnage produced depending on what sector your in, and the more productive you are the more bonus you get

MIKEKC

Birdnuts wrote: »

Give our Larry a call;)

Larry employs staff in his feedlots, buys all other services needed to run his operation . Returns a lot of money to the community

johngalway

My rifle cost more than my combined SFP cheque :rolleyes:

Birdnuts

MIKEKC wrote: »

Larry employs staff in his feedlots, buys all other services needed to run his operation . Returns a lot of money to the community

You mean just like our crappy banks:rolleyes: - its still a big business handout at the expense of taxpayers and small farmers!!

Birdnuts

F.D wrote: »

I think it should be assessed yearly on some measure of productivness eg on your headage or tonnage produced depending on what sector your in, and the more productive you are the more bonus you get

Headage collapsed prices and hit quality ie. played into the hands of the factories and big multiples at the expense of the farmer, thats why it was reformed from the the early 90's onwards. In any case its just not going to happen given the state of the EU budget plus the direction in which the world trade talks are headed.

ihatetractors

Reform it!, at home we've one neighbour with a 6 figure sum every year. 3 miles over the road we've one of the largest sfp's in the country. How can 90% of farmers compete with these guys when they can live/buy more land on what they get from the cheque in the post. Realy should be capped, and give support to guys actively trying to increase in size

pakalasa

I know one guy with a €50K payment. His son has a similar amount. I never knew the son was farming.:eek:.... Last I heard he was out foreign somewhere.

Casinoking

pakalasa wrote: »

I know one guy with a €50K payment. His son has a similar amount. I never knew the son was farming.:eek:.... Last I heard he was out foreign somewhere.

I know a similar family. Husband, wife and 4 kids all drawing between €25K and€35K apiece. Three of the kids only appear around the place at Christmas. Makes you wonder where you're going wrong at times

MIKEKC

Casinoking wrote: »

I know a similar family. Husband, wife and 4 kids all drawing between €25K and€35K apiece. Three of the kids only appear around the place at Christmas. Makes you wonder where you're going wrong at times

Husband,Wife, 4 kids all drawing k25-k35 each, I wonder, 6seperate holdings, 6 herd numbers. Must be over 18 for herd number,forgive me for being a doubting Thomas

Shauny2010

That makes me sick
I hope the new system is fair and try`s to help real farmers. I dont mind schemes like the reps or the suckler welfare scheme because at least you have to be actively farming to get them

Casinoking

MIKEKC wrote: »

Husband,Wife, 4 kids all drawing k25-k35 each, I wonder, 6seperate holdings, 6 herd numbers. Must be over 18 for herd number,forgive me for being a doubting Thomas

Quite simple really. For a start most of the land is leased in various blocks. Secondly, tillage is the main enterprise. They don't keep any cattle at all these days so there probably isn't more than one or two herd numbers between the lot of them, if any at all. And thirdly the "kids" are all grown adults over 30 years of age. Anything else I can clear up?

MIKEKC

Casinoking wrote: »

Quite simple really. For a start most of the land is leased in various blocks. Secondly, tillage is the main enterprise. They don't keep any cattle at all these days so there probably isn't more than one or two herd numbers between the lot of them, if any at all. And thirdly the "kids" are all grown adults over 30 years of age. Anything else I can clear up?

Yeah,page 2 of helpsheet states applicants are required to be a holder of a registered herdnumber or have applied to the Local DVD for a herd number on
or before 17 May 2010

5live

Slightly off topic but very connected. The CAP costs 10cent/head/day/person in the EU according to an IFA official

reilig

5live wrote: »

Slightly off topic but very connected. The CAP costs 10cent/head/day/person in the EU according to an IFA official

That's cheap IMO. Isn't the whole idea of cap to compensate us for selling food at below the cost of production. If we sold the food that we produce at cost of production + 20% margin then the increase in food prices would surely cost more than 10cent/had/day/person.

BeeDI

I expect the Brussels component of all cheques in the post, is one of the many assets, which will form part of the quid pro quo for Ireland Inc, getting the bailout money:eek:
In otherwords, assuming the bailout goes through, and worst comes to the worst, Ireland cannot pay back per the terms and conditions, ECB could turn off the SFP payments, amongst other nasty surprises:(

Birdnuts

BeeDI wrote: »

I expect the Brussels component of all cheques in the post, is one of the many assets, which will form part of the quid pro quo for Ireland Inc, getting the bailout money:eek:
In otherwords, assuming the bailout goes through, and worst comes to the worst, Ireland cannot pay back per the terms and conditions, ECB could turn off the SFP payments, amongst other nasty surprises:(

The way Ireland's stock is going in the EU, I wouldn't be suprised:(

whelan1

quick question sfp supposed to be in accounts tomorrow , would you write cheques today -being the last day of the month- on the basis of sfp being in your account tomorrow

Tipp Man

whelan1 wrote: »

quick question sfp supposed to be in accounts tomorrow , would you write cheques today -being the last day of the month- on the basis of sfp being in your account tomorrow

I'd be inclined to make sure the payment had cleared the bank before i'd write any cheques if it was me. Especially the way things are the banks are only too happy to bounce cheques and then your incurring the associated fees and hassle, as well as loss of reputation which cannot be underestimated

Can the cheque not wait a day?? Or else post date the cheque or give it to them after the banks have closed

irishh_bob

i know someone drawing 115 k , they own less than 100 acres but were renting up on 500 acres for the past decade

Tipp Man

irishh_bob wrote: »

i know someone drawing 115 k , they own less than 100 acres but were renting up on 500 acres for the past decade

I don't see anything wrong with that personally.

blue5000

irishh_bob wrote: »

i know someone drawing 115 k , they own less than 100 acres but were renting up on 500 acres for the past decade

If they are still farming 50 % of what they had in the base yr, then they are fully entitled to it. They could have stacked the entitlements. Some people ie. beef finishers got luckier than the rest of us last time round, there will be winners and losers post 2013 too.

blue5000

whelan1 wrote: »

quick question sfp supposed to be in accounts tomorrow , would you write cheques today -being the last day of the month- on the basis of sfp being in your account tomorrow

Hold off until you have it in your ac first, ppl got caught badly last time round, wrote chqs and had nothing to meet it due to map fiasco.

whelan1

not in yet ?:rolleyes:

dryan

no sign here either

whelan1

did you get your first payment ok ?

supersean1999

nothing not was not expecting it to come for a day or two after the 1st might get it tomor or fri

whelan1

the farmers over on british farming forum got theirs:eek:

supersean1999

are you suprised

raindodger

no money yet any one get paid

whelan1

got mine .... its about 1000 euro than my first payment but i am happy

limerick farmer

just got approx 50% of expected payment still waiting for DA payment top up

dryan

got a bit of mine too.
I still havent got any of the leased entitlements i applied for...
Anyone else in the same boat?

reilig

Got a small little bit of mine. Still no maps digitised so have only received about 10% of the DA and SFP payments due.

They better have the money to pay me the outstanding money on my FWMS grant in January. My bank manager has written me a lovely letter telling me that it is due by Janyary 10th as per the Dep Guarantee letter - otherwise I will be moving onto a higher interest rate.

johngalway

reilig wrote: »

Got a small little bit of mine. Still no maps digitised so have only received about 10% of the DA and SFP payments due.

Got some of my SFP, which is tiny anyway. Have heard nothing about my DA payment so just sent off an email to them. A Merry Christmas to some eh :pac:

tommylimerick

think i got my secound 50% today
will have to see the slip thing when ever we get post again
not sure cause i was fined for bad shoots etc. and
some over claim from other years due to the
digitalisation of maps
now just waitin on fwms grant
happy

Shauny2010

might splash out on a pint now that i got paid!

whelan1

Shauny2010 wrote: »

might splash out on a pint now that i got paid!

that was the plan here , but the snow scuppered that:mad:

djmc

I GOT NOTHING:(:(:(
anyone else didnt get paid

raindodger

Shauny2010 wrote: »

might splash out on a pint now that i got paid!

any chance you would take us out for a drink still broke here

ihatetractors

irishh_bob wrote: »

i know someone drawing 115 k , they own less than 100 acres but were renting up on 500 acres for the past decade

He might be getting 115k, but is it all going again in rent...
Not fair realy, land rent is way too dear

As for sfp, thats for the boss to worry bout, And mam to spend

MIKEKC

djmc wrote: »

I GOT NOTHING:(:(:(
anyone else didnt get paid

yeah had inspection maps just digitised processing could take another two weeks

cowbox

ihatetractors wrote: »

He might be getting 115k, but is it all going again in rent...
Not fair realy, land rent is way too dear

As for sfp, thats for the boss to worry bout, And mam to spend

Very true statement 500 acres @ €175 an acre = €87,500 doesn't take in to account the cost of sprays, fertilizer,machinery,diseal, labour and any losses that occurs..
And if he did make anything from it he dam well worked hard for it.. Its no easy game at all it might look a nice a pretty figure in the bank account for a few seconds but its definetly not all fun and games!