Proud to be Irish

Mr. Manager

Just going from the recent debate on the O'Leary stunt (OLEARY! FLAG AND MOCKING THE DEAD), I'm curious to know, how many of ye are actually proud of your Country.

I for one am on the fence. I have nothing toward nor against Ireland.

chordtype

No.

bleg

I'm proud of a lot of the things I've done in life.

A place of birth, and whatever country is occupying that place at that point in history, which was just a matter of chance is not something to be proud of.


Be proud of the things you accomplish, not things that happen entirely by chance.

MagicMarker

Proud to be Irish? Don't care.

Proud of my country? Absolutely fúcking not.

Mr. Manager

bleg wrote: »

Be proud of the things you accomplish, not things that happen entirely by chance.

But what about things you have accomplished, collectively, as a Nation?

No examples of hand but I'm sure people here have. . .

Donkey Oaty

I think it was Martina Navratilova who said "Why should I be proud of being a lesbian? It isn't an achievement."

Pookah

I used to be when I was a lot younger, but consider myself as having grown out of it.

The realisation that nationalism/patriotism is a recent invention (it didn't exist until the first nations were founded), and is merely an extension of tribalism, one of mankind's least attractive traits, helped me in my decision.

Am I proud to be Irish? Couldn't care less.

Mr. Manager

chordtype wrote: »

No.

You say no, yet there is not 1 vote for the No, I am not proud

EDIT: ....is one now

Brendog

I was proud, but the government are slowly ruining it....



Basically we are now viewed by the world as not only drunken buffoons but as incompetent idiots due to the graceful leadership portrayed by one Mr. Brian Cowen

PeterIanStaker

I'm proud of my own achievements and abilities. I do think that I could suceed in spite of the doom and gloom. I dont want to be a f*cking gombeen fatcat which is the image of "success" the media would have you aspire to, I just want a job in my chosen area that pays ok. I'm lucky that I don't, and hopefully will never have, any dependents. Also I've accepted that I'll have to leave here for a while and come back. I don't hate this country - I just despise those in charge that have gambled it away with their cronies in the race tents.

So, to some up: fuckem'

PeterIanStaker

Brendog wrote: »

I was proud, but the government are slowly ruining it....



Basically we are now viewed by the world as not only drunken buffoons but as incompetent idiots due to the graceful leadership portrayed by one Mr. Brian Cowen

"Illegitimi non carborundum" - don't let the bastards grind you down. We're better than that cower of shunts.

30txsbzmcu2k9w

See Westlife/Nicky Byrne thread - no. I think we're a laughing stock in more than one way at the moment.

Cookie_Monster

Not any more, its more of an embarrassment these days.

scientific1982

Always have been proud to be Irish and always will be. Theres more warmth, soul and good humour here per square km than anywhere else in the world. All the other countries may be laughing at us right now, but **** them.

MagicMarker

scientific1982 wrote: »

Always have been proud to be Irish and always will be. Theres more warmth, soul and good humour here per square km than anywhere else in the world. All the other countries may be laughing at us right now, but **** them.

And I assume you've been everywhere else in the world?

maxxie

I am proud of the achievements and spirit of past Irish people! I love my country!
The current generations are a disgrace, im sure this poll will end with the majority picking dont care..

MUSEIST

Of course I am proud to be irish, what has the economic stuation got to do it. I amproud to be irish whether we are rich or poor

scientific1982

MagicMarker wrote: »

And I assume you've been everywhere else in the world?

Wouldnt say ive been everywhere but im fairly well travelled.

MagicMarker

scientific1982 wrote: »

Wouldnt say ive been everywhere but im fairly well travelled.

Have you covered even 10% of the landmass on Earth? No

You probably haven't even covered 10% of Ireland. So to say there's more warmth, soul & good humour here than anywhere else is quite frankly a load of bollix.

Aldebaran

Not proud, not ashamed either.

th3 s1aught3r

What is our Irish culture now exactly. It seems the days we has a proud culture are long gone. We had more writers and poets per square mile than any other nation, the best in the world
Now what? Drunken idiots
When I see Irish people wearing those stupid green hats and fake red beard you buy in Carrolls shops I get dismayed. They are supposed to be for the unwary tourist you idiot !! They are not our culture. Thats all Paddy whackery Oirish **** for making money off tourists, they should burn down those shops imo

scientific1982

MagicMarker wrote: »

Have you covered even 10% of the landmass on Earth? No

You probably haven't even covered 10% of Ireland. So to say there's more warmth, soul & good humour here than anywhere else is quite frankly a load of bollix.

Been all over Ireland and well travelled. You dont need to cover the entire globe to meet different nationalities too. Live away from home for a while and get back to me.

Mr. Manager

It appears most people here are not proud of our Government, which I get, but the original question was are you proud to be Irish?

Proud of your nation, your culture, history etc. . .

MagicMarker

scientific1982 wrote: »

Been all over Ireland and well travelled. You dont need to cover the entire globe to meet different nationalities too. Live away from home for a while and get back to me.

I have lived away from home. I'm also smart enough to realise that saying we're warmer and more good humoured than any other nationality on the planet is retarted.

Donkey Oaty

MagicMarker wrote: »

I have lived away from home. I'm also smart enough to realise that saying we're warmer and more good humoured than any other nationality on the planet is retarted.

MagicMarker writes sense, but the good folks who are asked tend to provide a commercial or political response rather than a sociological one.

scientific1982

Thats my opinion and its very widely known amongst different nationalities that Irish people are extremely warm and friendly.

Donkey Oaty

scientific1982 wrote: »

Thats my opinion and its very widely known amongst different nationalities that Irish people are extremely warm and friendly.

International surveys (Lonely Planet, etc) confirm this.

But we know better.

krudler

scientific1982 wrote: »

Thats my opinion and its very widely known amongst different nationalities that Irish people are extremely warm and friendly.

Come to Limerick.

Mike 1972

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

When I see Irish people wearing those stupid green hats and fake red beard you buy in Carrolls shops I get dismayed. They are supposed to be for the unwary tourist you idiot !! They are not our culture. Thats all Paddy whackery Oirish **** for making money off tourists, they should burn down those shops imo

Last time I was down in Dublin I saw a sign pointing to "the Leprachaun Museum"

WTF ???

Im sure if somebody were to go to say Lagos and open a "Golliwog museum" the place would get burned to the ground within a week and rightly so

Anita Blow

I am.
I'm proud of most aspects of being Irish, except the constant begrudgery and depression that seems to be rampant today.
I like that Terminal 2 ad as it sums up the things we have to be proud of.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdjLBXlieI0

To the people saying you shouldn't be proud to be Irish as it's an accident of birth, I see what you're saying but I'd disagree. It's the people and the community around you that shape you and what you will be. It's this shared influence that makes you Irish and I do think it's something to be proud of.

Absurdum

Proud 100% and I will fight to the death for it if I have to.

bc dub

proud to be Irish yes, but I don't personally really buy into borders and countries in general. we're all the same, the world over. we're just conditioned into the families were born into imo.

aDeener

bleg wrote: »

I'm proud of a lot of the things I've done in life.

A place of birth, and whatever country is occupying that place at that point in history, which was just a matter of chance is not something to be proud of.


Be proud of the things you accomplish, not things that happen entirely by chance.

but are the things you accomplish not as a result of chance too? you were lucky to be born in a country that gave you the opportunity to do x, y or z.

therefore you should be proud of nothing. tis a cardinal sin so it is

Dionysus

Brendog wrote: »

I was proud, but the government are slowly ruining it....



Basically we are now viewed by the world as not only drunken buffoons but as incompetent idiots due to the graceful leadership portrayed by one Mr. Brian Cowen

Let's all forget one Bertie Ahern and his 11 years of misrule and put all blame on the person cleaning up the mess, Brian Cowen.

Helix

scientific1982 wrote: »

Always have been proud to be Irish and always will be. Theres more warmth, soul and good humour here per square km than anywhere else in the world

since youre still living in the early 90s, would you like me to let you know some of the major sporting results for the next 15-20 years so you can win yourself a few bob?

Helix

aDeener wrote: »

but are the things you accomplish not as a result of chance too? you were lucky to be born in a country that gave you the opportunity to do x, y or z.

you still have to go out and actually accomplish those things though. for some the sense of accomplishment will be greater, since they surmounted bigger odds against them. thats where chance comes in - the amount of fight required to succeed

scientific1982

Helix wrote: »

since youre still living in the early 90s, would you like me to let you know some of the major sporting results for the next 15-20 years so you can win yourself a few bob?

Eh

bleg

aDeener wrote: »

but are the things you accomplish not as a result of chance too? you were lucky to be born in a country that gave you the opportunity to do x, y or z.

therefore you should be proud of nothing. tis a cardinal sin so it is

Of course there is an element of chance in everything, that's why I said "entirely by chance," to counter that exact point.

Helix

Anita Blow wrote: »

To the people saying you shouldn't be proud to be Irish as it's an accident of birth, I see what you're saying but I'd disagree. It's the people and the community around you that shape you and what you will be. It's this shared influence that makes you Irish and I do think it's something to be proud of.

lets imagine youre not irish, youre from another country, the same stands true. youd still be proud to be from there, based on what youre saying above. so it doesnt actually matter WHERE youre from, ergo the "irish" thing isnt a factor, it just happens to be the particular place you're proud to be from

thats what kills the whole thing for me, and makes it completely illogical

Kev_ps3

20% is about right for anti-Irish on boards. Always 20%

Tar.Aldarion

Pride is a sin.

Helix

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

20% is about right for anti-Irish on boards. Always 20%

nothing anti irish about it?

not being proud to be from somewhere doesnt mean youre the opposite, it just means that you arent proud. im failing to see where anti irishness comes in

Jay D

Proud to be Irish?

I don't really care.

Like I am glad I am but it doesn't make me better than anyone else and it's not something I will say out loud constantly or at all, when I am holidays. Like I remember many occasions where someone who would go on constantly about where they are from, would actually piss me off and deem the person an idiot. "Back where I'm from, whatever" etc...

I'm proud of who I am. I am happy to be alive. When I meet people abroad they can take me for who I am but I don't feel a sense of pride when I say I am from Ireland.

I don't get it to be honest. Sure we can all remember history lessons about what was done by the Irish which changed events and the way certain things were and are but I wasn't around and I did not have any part of it, nor did anyone I know. Although I do find some of the stuff impressive it still doesn't make me go about my every day life with them notions tingling in my mind.

baltimore sun

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Pride is a sin.

ha, pray for me

HalloweenJack

I am proud to be Irish.

I do feel a tinge of patriotism if someone mentions our country. For all the country's failings, I'll always be Irish and that's not something I'm ashamed of.

However, I can't stand living here. It's a love/hate relationship.

faceman

I'm proud of our culture and heritage. It's hard not to proud of your country's culture no matter where you're from.

Although I do wish we were better in the kitchen!

bleg

People could present the most logical well thought our arguments for not being proud of being Irish and people would still come along and label it "typical Irish begrudgery"

Dionysus

I'm as proud to be Irish today as I was at any other time of my life. I've never felt neither shame at being Irish nor excessive pride. More a continuous, solid pride in things like walking into my first classroom and seeing a child being helped down the back by an SNA (Special Needs Assistant). That's the last time I felt a distinct sense of pride in being Irish, although I was aware it probably has much to do with being part of the EU also.

Pride is a complicated issue. At any rate, I was born in Ireland (something I had nothing to do with, of course) and all my family can trace their roots back here as far as possible (early 19th century is the earliest), although my respective paternal and maternal surnames have existed in their areas of Ireland for many, many centuries at least. I am deeply proud about particular things in Ireland: the GAA and the Irish language being the most obvious. While the GAA gets much more international acknowledgement, I prefer the way all across Ireland people send their children to gaelscoileanna or attend conversation classes in Irish. In this world of commercial X-Factor stuff, I really, really respect that "counter-culture" spirit.

The Irish are pretty much as good and bad as any other people in Europe or the world. Our political system and culture could be much more efficient and fair. But we are neither the worst nor the best people ethically-speaking in Euriope. I support, strongly support, the existence of an independent sovereign Ireland. Some people seem to believe Ireland under British rule was better. They are, for want of a better word, misguided. Rejecting Irish nationalism but embracing British nationalism has always been myopic, tribal and backward.

Fluorescence

I've neither shame nor pride in my country, and I've never understood people who were. It's simply not something I can relate to.

For example: the argument that Ireland has produced so many excellent writers, playwrights, poets, artists, rugby players etc - why are you feeling pride at their accomplishments? Do/did you know these people? No. What relation do you have to them? None, bar being born on the same island. Feel proud of the 1916-ers for gaining our freedom? Why? Sure, it'd probably suck to live here nowadays if they hadn't, but feeling pride because of them? I just don't understand that.

I feel proud of things I've done, and I feel proud of the people I love when they accomplish stuff as well. I don't feel proud of the fact that I happened to be born here, and why would I? I had nothing to do with it.

Also, to those that argue Ireland is the friendliest, warmest country: it's not, by a long shot. I've been to a few states in America that were far friendlier and welcoming. Tourists here are almost looked down upon for being annoying and sporting leprechaun hats :rolleyes:.

hondasam

"The Irish do not want anyone to wish them well; they want everyone to wish their enemies ill."


I am proud to be Irish just not happy with how the government have ruined Ireland.

Fluorescence

bleg wrote: »

People could present the most logical well thought our arguments for not being proud of being Irish and people would still come along and label it "typical Irish begrudgery"

Ironic much? :pac: