Life after death experience

WeeBushy

Anyone watching the late late show at the moment?

People are giving their experience of when they were dieing, and seeing a 'bright light' etc, before being brought back.

I'm watching it with my granny (a dear old lady who is loving every minute of this) and its very hard to keep my mouth shut

What bollox this is.

Ickle Magoo

I was just saying, I bet she's one of them religious nut jobs when she comes out with "and I prayed and cried for four years".... :pac:

You couldn't make it up - oh, hang on...

Swampy

that'll be you in 60 years!!

WeeBushy wrote: »

Anyone watching the late late show at the moment?

People are giving their experience of when they were dieing, and seeing a 'bright light' etc, before being brought back.

I'm watching it with my granny (a dear old lady who is loving every minute of this) and its very hard to keep my mouth shut

What bollox this is.

WeeBushy

Your one who was talking about her out of body experience, are there not many studies which have stimulated parts of the brain to do this?

My granny just said "isn't that just so heart warming, it's really reassuring, isn't it?"

Smile and nod, smile and nod :pac:

WeeBushy

Swampy wrote: »

that'll be you in 60 years!!

A dear old grandfather hopefully

And I will be doing it out of sheer divilment to try and rise my grandchildren.

HavingCrack

Three women, all Irish, all roughly the same age, all apparently quite Christian to begin with and all describing the a typical near death expereince...talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Get an atheist, a Native American from the deepest Amazon and a Japanese Buddhist and you would make a much more convincing case. I'm agnostic myself but to be honest, this certainly didn't sway me towards an aftelife. I honestly really feel for your man, his only child had just died and he felt this was a way of consoling himself I'd imagine .

liamw

Noooooo :pac:

Zillah

HavingCrack wrote: »

Three women, all Irish, all roughly the same age, all apparently quite Christian to begin with and all describing the a typical near death expereince...talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Get an atheist, a Native American from the deepest Amazon and a Japanese Buddhist and you would make a much more convincing case. I'm agnostic myself but to be honest, this certainly didn't sway me towards an aftelife. I honestly really feel for your man, his only child had just died and he felt this was a way of consoling himself I'd imagine .

Considering that the sense of euphoria and the "tunnel" hallucination are both caused by oxygen deprivation in a dying human brain I'd expect we'd get similar reports from around the world.

I didn't see this show; how specific were they?

Dave!

oooohhh, a white light! I don't see any other possibility other than it meaning heaven exists!

Ickle Magoo

Zillah wrote: »

Considering that the sense of euphoria and the "tunnel" hallucination are both caused by oxygen deprivation in a dying human brain I'd expect we'd get similar reports from around the world.

I didn't see this show; how specific were they?

There was several mentions of a voice saying it wasn't their time...the usual much bright light down tunnel stuff and one vivid experience that was clearly ethereal but cannot be recalled in any detail...if it's possible to be specific that something happened without actually puting forward anything in any kind of detail regarding what that something was, that's what they did.

HavingCrack

Zillah wrote: »

Considering that the sense of euphoria and the "tunnel" hallucination are both caused by oxygen deprivation in a dying human brain I'd expect we'd get similar reports from around the world.

I didn't see this show; how specific were they?

But why a tunnel?? Why not something else?? I think the idea of a tunnel has just become ingrained in Western culture as the near death experience. I honestly doubt we'd have similar reports elsewhere.

Vague enough, the usual sense of euphoria, a dark tunnel 8 feet in diamter, light at the end, one saw her grandfather, one had an out of body experience and all were told to go back as it wasn't their time yet..

The one thing I did find interesting was the description of one man describing a vision of 'hell' rather than the usual tunnel. He described it as a an endless muddy field full of corpses moving...quite different to anything I'd heard before.

robindch

HavingCrack wrote: »

But why a tunnel?? Why not something else??

Because when your brain is short of oxygen, the edges of your vision go dark and you're just left with a much-reduced central vision only, before that goes too. This is what things look like if you're in a tunnel with a light at the end.

Much more on this here:

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/darkness_tunnels_and_light/

alex73

WeeBushy wrote: »

Anyone watching the late late show at the moment?

People are giving their experience of when they were dieing, and seeing a 'bright light' etc, before being brought back.

I'm watching it with my granny (a dear old lady who is loving every minute of this) and its very hard to keep my mouth shut

What bollox this is.

was you conscience starting to tingle when they spoke about hell?
after all you started this thread.

Near death experiences have been spoken about for centuries. There was nothing new in the late late.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF7AzxplsME

HavingCrack

alex73 wrote: »

was you conscience starting to tingle when they spoke about hell?
after all you started this thread.

Near death experiences have been spoken about for centuries. There was nothing new in the late late.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF7AzxplsME

I love the way you're just fishing for a reaction, I wouldn't expect any different from a fundamentalist Christian however.

The Mad Hatter

alex73 wrote: »

Near death experiences have been spoken about for centuries.

Yup - aren't you glad we now have a proper scientific explanation for them?

alex73

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

Yup - aren't you glad we now have a proper scientific explanation for them?

I sure am. Omniscient science, why we ever needed religion I don't know.

The Mad Hatter

alex73 wrote: »

I sure am. Omniscient science, why we ever needed religion I don't know.

Nor do I. It's nice that you think science is omniscient, but it's really not. If it were, in the words of Dara O'Briain, it'd stop.

robindch

alex73 wrote: »

Omniscient science

It certainly must look omniscient to the average theologician.

Mark Hamill

robindch wrote: »

Because when your brain is short of oxygen, the edges of your vision go dark and you're just left with a much-reduced central vision only, before that goes too. This is what things look like if you're in a tunnel with a light at the end.

Much more on this here:

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/darkness_tunnels_and_light/

I do submission wrestling and I've actually experienced this in chokeholds. I haven't been put fully out, but I've been close and I must say the feeling is actually quite nice near the going unconscious bit (very light headed, suprisingly relaxed, with the vision fraying around the edges).
With something so easy to debunk, I dont understand why so many people are taken in by it.
Oh wait, its religion :pac:....

Mark Hamill

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Oh wait, its religion :pac:....

:pac:

I have no doubt that people who die instantly from severe trauma to the head do not experience this phenomenon. It sounds ridiculous even when you think about it like that.

alex73 wrote:

I sure am. Omniscient science, why we ever needed religion I don't know.

Yeah, sure isn't that theory of gravity yoke a load of bollocks too?

Improbable

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah, sure isn't that theory of gravity yoke a load of bollocks too?

http://www.theonion.com/articles/evangelical-scientists-refute-gravity-with-new-int,1778/

It's the onion, but still a good laugh.

Turtwig

The same old crap to be honest, a couple of people who have probably never been close to death and therefore have no experience or common sense on what being near death actually means. They remember some of their experience and declare that to be proof of life after death and people just lap it up because they want the notion to be true and they don't see the huge gaping flaw in trusting flawed human personal perspectives as a form of evidence. It's funny though the Late Late a couple of years ago had people on who claimed they could see dead people, most people just scoffed at this, but when the late late has people on who can see life after death they can't be hallucinating because well they just can't.

Turtwig

alex73 wrote: »

I sure am. Omniscient science, why we ever needed religion I don't know.

While science is not omniscience and the very philosophy of science claims it can never be omniscient. The reason we need religion is because it's a well understood psychological phenomenon whereby when a human is experiencing an absence of perceived control in his/her life s/he tends to become more and more superstitious and detects so called "patterns". We need this illusion of control that we experience because it is infinitely preferable to the psychological distress caused by perceiving things to be outside of our control. Even the hardened atheist who accepts there is no God probably still believes in ideas such as fortune, hope, etc. All are just illusions to make us thing we can control more things in our lives than we actually can. Religion is merely an effective by product that capitalises on such illusions to an extraordinarily successful degree. Even if religion ceased to exist, odds are the irrational thinking that it profits on so easily will still remain, but just in a different form. I can't remember who said it, but Religion is like Hydra, chop of its head and dismember its parts and you will still get a newly forming mythical creature with similar but different characteristics.

WeeBushy

alex73 wrote: »

was you conscience starting to tingle when they spoke about hell?
after all you started this thread.

:rolleyes:

alex73 wrote: »

Near death experiences have been spoken about for centuries. There was nothing new in the late late.

They have indeed been talked about for centuries. As has an awful lot of other crap. Why should this stop me commenting on it?

mikhail

My signature comes from a quote I like on this subject (though I think it's a bit generous to the religious position to say "no conclusive science" when what you mean is that you're ignoring the evidence science gives to a biomechanical explanation).

House: The patient was technically dead for over a minute.
...
Wilson: [standing in the back] Do you think he was dead? Do you think those experiences were real?

House: Define real. They were real experiences. What they meant… Personally, I choose to believe that the white light people sometimes see visions, this patient saw. They’re all just chemical reactions that take place when the brain shuts down.

Foreman: You choose to believe that?

House: There’s no conclusive science. My choice has no practical relevance to my life, I choose the outcome I find more comforting.

Cameron: You find it more comforting to believe that this is it?

House: I find it more comforting to believe that this simply isn’t a test.

newmug

robindch wrote: »

Because when your brain is short of oxygen, the edges of your vision go dark and you're just left with a much-reduced central vision only, before that goes too. This is what things look like if you're in a tunnel with a light at the end.

HavingCrack wrote: »

The one thing I did find interesting was the description of one man describing a vision of 'hell' rather than the usual tunnel. He described it as a an endless muddy field full of corpses moving...quite different to anything I'd heard before.

No, you are confusing two different issues. You see, that man was actually at oxygen.

Funglegunk

newmug wrote: »

No, you are confusing two different issues. You see, that man was actually at oxygen.

If I'm going to hell I really hope its like the film 'Labyrinth'.

HavingCrack

newmug wrote: »

No, you are confusing two different issues. You see, that man was actually at oxygen.

:pac:

Dan133269

This is irrefutable proof that god exists.
He calls us up to heaven, and then in a divine manner, has a change of mind.