Pre Workout Supplement Poll

marathonic

Which of the following would you recommend when taken as a pre-workout supplement where the goal is to lift heavy on the compound weights, e.g. squat, deadlift, bench press?

If you have any additional comments or have any reasoning to back up your choice, e.g. taken multiple pre-workout supplements and find your chosen one the best, feel free to add a comment.

If you like a different supplement better, select other and add a comment.

Khannie

What's the purpose of this poll? Would you not just be better off asking what people recommend pre-workout? (same with the post workout thread you started....)

Brian?

Strong coffee and wine gums. Preferably Maynards Winegums. Superior in every way to NO Explode.

Jarren

Expresso+ some oats .... no supps for me:D

GiantJ

Don't waste your money. Coffee and heavy metal!!

overhand_right

2 scoops of whey and a handful of wine gums

lastlaugh

Why wine gums???

Jarren

wine gums contain quick-release sugars

lastlaugh

jarecki1976 wrote: »

wine gums contain quick-release sugars

Might give them a try next time so, cheers.

drdeadlift

The no xplode sure is a good one gets the ticker going a little too quick!
Jacked 3d is very good along with no shotgun.

Coffee is good not nearly as good as whats above but good for a wee lift.
The winegums not too sure if they are gona get you flying up off the couch.

d'Oracle

With such a very narrow range of options, you are likely to get a lot of "others".

dave80

Bout 50 mins before training 400mg of caffeine, 30 mins before 30g of whey and 50g of glucose

Mauricmo

Surely creatine should be one of the options?
I would say that is a big part of the "other" vote.....................along with wine gums apparantly

_JOE_

Monster Kaos and a packet of skittles!

Rycn

1g Arginine, 500mg Tyrosine, Lucozade Sport 30 mins before.

Rycn

Whoever I quoted changed their post while I was writing this but here it is anyway:

Creatine improves your overall performance with a cycle of usage, it's most beneficial post-workout, apparently.

It doesn't improve that specific workout you do if you take it before.

That's why I see no point in these "monster pump 2000" supplements, they're full of shite imo.

Esse85

dartstothesea

Caffeine's been doing the trick for me lately. You'd want 300mg or more for noticeable effects though, I find.

El Horseboxo

I usually just use Maltodextrin before and during the workout. Mix it with water. It's cheap for a big bag and lasts for ages. In the beginning it helped a lot with energy levels and i guess it still helps.

Mellor

When people say caffine, are you wasting your money on pills/powder, or just hasing some strong coffee?

Rycn

dartstothesea wrote: »

Caffeine's been doing the trick for me lately. You'd want 300mg or more for noticeable effects though, I find.

From wikipedia:

An acute overdose of caffeine usually in excess of about 300mg, dependent on body weight and level of caffeine tolerance, can result in a state of central nervous system over-stimulation called caffeine intoxication. The symptoms of caffeine intoxication are not unlike overdoses of other stimulants. It may include restlessness, fidgetiness, nervousness, excitement, euphoria, insomnia, flushing of the face, increased urination, gastrointestinal disturbance, muscle twitching, a rambling flow of thought and speech, irritability, irregular or rapid heart beat, and psychomotor agitation. In cases of much larger overdoses, mania, depression, lapses in judgment, disorientation, disinhibition, delusions, hallucinations, and psychosis may occur, and rhabdomyolysis (breakdown of skeletal muscle tissue) can be provoked. Extreme overdose can result in death.

Good luck with that :rolleyes:

Khannie

Mellor wrote: »

When people say caffine, are you wasting your money on pills/powder, or just hasing some strong coffee?

I read somewhere a long time ago that coffee's not as good for some reason. Not sure if that's rubbish or not though. It set off my science alarm.

collymcd

Porridge & Fruit mix, Protein shake, 'Pulse' and Creatine.

To be honest the Pulse stuff isn't great. Probably a waste of money. I'm just using it up for the sake of it at this stage.

Interesting to see people saying taking Creatine before the gym isn't especially beneficial, I always thought it was I do understand it's only effective when used consistently in a cycle but I thought you'd feel it's effects more directly if you took it 30mins before workout. Oops

dartstothesea

Mellor wrote: »

When people say caffine, are you wasting your money on pills/powder, or just hasing some strong coffee?

I don't like the taste of coffee. I also like to be able to take my caffeine around in something tiny that won't spill and be able to swallow 300mg of it in 2 seconds flat.
Never mind the actual price per g of powder versus cups of the drink, do you really think I'm wasting my money?

marathonic

dartstothesea wrote: »

I don't like the taste of coffee. I also like to be able to take my caffeine around in something tiny that won't spill and be able to swallow 300mg of it in 2 seconds flat.
Never mind the actual price per g of powder versus cups of the drink, do you really think I'm wasting my money?

Caffeine tablets are 8.49 sterling for 200 200mg tablets. Each tablet is about 2.5 average cups of coffee so this works out at about 2 cents per cup of coffee's worth of caffeine.

Therefore, the caffeine tablets do appear to work out cheaper. However, I get free coffee at work so I think I'll use that for now until I feel that I need a pre-workout supplement.

Hanley

Rycn wrote: »

From wikipedia:

An acute overdose of caffeine usually in excess of about 300mg, dependent on body weight and level of caffeine tolerance, can result in a state of central nervous system over-stimulation called caffeine intoxication. The symptoms of caffeine intoxication are not unlike overdoses of other stimulants. It may include restlessness, fidgetiness, nervousness, excitement, euphoria, insomnia, flushing of the face, increased urination, gastrointestinal disturbance, muscle twitching, a rambling flow of thought and speech, irritability, irregular or rapid heart beat, and psychomotor agitation. In cases of much larger overdoses, mania, depression, lapses in judgment, disorientation, disinhibition, delusions, hallucinations, and psychosis may occur, and rhabdomyolysis (breakdown of skeletal muscle tissue) can be provoked. Extreme overdose can result in death.

Good luck with that :rolleyes:

Nice condescending post there. "Caffeine intoxication" is exactly what people are trying to achieve.

And good work on using wikipedia as some sort of reference. I'm tempted to just edit the page so that 40,000kg becomes an overdose amount.

Flex

Normally have some creatine about an hour before hand and then a can of Red Bull just as Im going in. Works out fine

Rycn

Hanley wrote: »

Nice condescending post there. "Caffeine intoxication" is exactly what people are trying to achieve.

I know nothing about caffeine.

When it was suggested by your man, I googled what the amounts needed would be. When I seen 300mg and the word "intoxication" in the same sentence the bells went off.

Would you not be alarmed if a suggested dosage of a stimulant you knew nothing about was being recommended in "intoxicating" doses?

Bear in mind the word intoxication means poison to me.

dartstothesea

Ah yeah, just bear in mind the word intoxication means immortality to me.
Nothing on that list of symptoms worries me except muscle tissue breakdown, anyway. Well, maybe death, but mostly muscle breakdown.

sharky86

Coffee can cause euphoria and hallucinations?
Brillant I'll start selling in nightclubs from next weekend

3 boiled eggs and cup of strong coffee seams to do the trick to me

d'Oracle

Coffee shops?

SHUT DOWN THIS SICK FILTH!

Magic Eight Ball

Jelly beans & starbucks christmas blend!

marathonic

Magic Eight Ball wrote: »

Jelly beans & starbucks christmas blend!

Good point. I used to eat jelly babies and fig rolls when I was bigger into the cycling. Mainly to give a boost towards the end of a 3 hour + cycle. Never thought of carrying that over to the gym.

RealistSpy

Coffee!

Brian?

Khannie wrote: »

I read somewhere a long time ago that coffee's not as good for some reason. Not sure if that's rubbish or not though. It set off my science alarm.

Because it's a lower dose of caffeine than you get from tablets?

It is tastier and better for washing down winegums though.

Brian?

Magic Eight Ball wrote: »

Jelly beans & starbucks christmas blend!

That Christmas blend is gank, it's like tar.

Mellor

dartstothesea wrote: »

I don't like the taste of coffee. I also like to be able to take my caffeine around in something tiny that won't spill and be able to swallow 300mg of it in 2 seconds flat.
Never mind the actual price per g of powder versus cups of the drink, do you really think I'm wasting my money?

If the prices above are what you pay then no, I've only ever seen them a much more expensive, granted they were being marketed as fat-burning-boosters etc

mrpink6789

Creapump + Whey + Hydroxycut.

Makes no bloody difference though! :P

billyhead

Cappacino

Remmy

A bag of skittles and a knock off redbull drink.cant beat it.

Hanley

I'm amazed the amount of people posting who train on a massive sugar rush tbh...

d'Oracle

I seem to be training hungry all the time these days.

dave80

Hanley wrote: »

I'm amazed the amount of people posting who train on a massive sugar rush tbh...

how'd you mean, Bit in bold below?

Definition: Food consumed 30 min to immediately prior to training.

Goal: Ensure that that blood glucose levels are all optimal with a view to maximising performance. Optimal hydration levels are also key. Take home point for all...consuming protein at this time is better than consuming it post workout with regard to driving protein synthesis.

Exceptions: You will see people crapping on about this consuming carbs prior to training crashing blood sugar...only one paper has ever found this that I know of and I've another bundle that didn't...from personal experience I've never found this to be a problem with athletes either.
On another note...related about what we were talking about previously...there are studies where consuming BCAA at this time actually harmed performance...just for the pill poppers out there...BCAA are fine...but I wouldn't be taking them immediately prior to training.

Content: This is a great time for some plain whey and some fast acting carbohydrate...I say this because I know people like protein shakes...if you are going to use them...now would be a good time 30g of whey protein and 30g of carbohydrate...a scoop of whey in your Club Energise perhaps.

So once again for the nerds...if you are an endurance athlete...0.25g/kg of protein and 1g/kg of carbohydrate...for strength/power athletes...0.5g/kg of protein and the same of carbohydrate.

d'Oracle

dave80 wrote: »

how'd you mean, Bit in bold below?

Definition: Food consumed 30 min to immediately prior to training.

Goal: Ensure that that blood glucose levels are all optimal with a view to maximising performance. Optimal hydration levels are also key. Take home point for all...consuming protein at this time is better than consuming it post workout with regard to driving protein synthesis.

Exceptions: You will see people crapping on about this consuming carbs prior to training crashing blood sugar...only one paper has ever found this that I know of and I've another bundle that didn't...from personal experience I've never found this to be a problem with athletes either.
On another note...related about what we were talking about previously...there are studies where consuming BCAA at this time actually harmed performance...just for the pill poppers out there...BCAA are fine...but I wouldn't be taking them immediately prior to training.

Content: This is a great time for some plain whey and some fast acting carbohydrate...I say this because I know people like protein shakes...if you are going to use them...now would be a good time 30g of whey protein and 30g of carbohydrate...a scoop of whey in your Club Energise perhaps.

So once again for the nerds...if you are an endurance athlete...0.25g/kg of protein and 1g/kg of carbohydrate...for strength/power athletes...0.5g/kg of protein and the same of carbohydrate.

You could have just linked the sticky.

Also, I don't see any reference to crashing blood sugar in the single sentence that Hanley posted.

dave80

d'Oracle wrote: »

You could have just linked the sticky.

Also, I don't see any reference to crashing blood sugar in the single sentence that Hanley posted.

dont know how to link the sticky.... never said anything about him mentioning crashing blood sugar? i was asking why he was amazed at people taking in sugar before workouts?

d'Oracle

Well you reposted a whole section of a post in bold.
And that was about crashing blood sugar or rather the myth propagated about such.

So it would be entirely natural to assume that that is what you were getting at.

dave80

d'Oracle wrote: »

Well you reposted a whole section of a post in bold.
And that was about crashing blood sugar or rather the myth propagated about such.

So it would be entirely natural to assume that that is what you were getting at.

i just through tat post in for reference and yes tat is what I was getting at but not what i was asking Hanley, I was asking why he was suprised tats all?

marathonic

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AntiVirus

Cup of coffee with milk and 2 sugars and the odd time like this morning a cup cake.

Kadongy

Random energy drink - red bpm, red bull, kaos...the jolt battery cans ideally. Caffeine takes about half an hour to kick in so I try to time it accordingly.

xgtdec

I was using Animal Pump but i neither felt like an animal or got any pump bar what i'd get anyway...went onto NOxPump and i have to say that its working for me and im doing great workouts on it, its possible im not very responsive to stimulants as ive read other reports on NOxPump and they report jitters etc for hours....i seem to get an hour...90 minutes tops of good energy and back to normal......time for 2 sachets soon:p