[Rumour] Fianna Fáil Nua

oppenheimer1

Rumours are spreading of a split in Fianna Fáil and the formation of a new party as reported on Drivetime tonight. I said it on another thread, but the game is up for FF whatever they decide to call themselves.

So the end of civil war politics comes with the loss of economic soverignty to outsiders. Not what we wanted at all...:(

alang184

A subset of FF is still FF, no matter what title is put on it.

Sand

How is Lenihan going to offer the country a new option? Isnt he the worst example of the sort of a third generation political aristocrat, inheriting seats like family hand-me-downs?

yoshytoshy

Sounds like they're fishing for survival ,throwing a line out there hoping people will bite.

I hope they bite,bite their heads off.

gandalf

This rumour was doing the rounds months ago as well. As others have said no matter what they call themselves they will still be tainted by the fact they came from FF.

If civil war politics are truly to be laid to rest FF & FG need to merge into one party.

later12

Is there any, any basis to this rumour whatever?

yoshytoshy

It was mentioned on drive time there a minute ago ,directed at someone from fianna fail(don't know who)
They didn't deny or confirm it ,but all said in good gesture.

gandalf

Probably not although there is talk of grumbling back benchers. John McGuinness was on TV3 basically calling the cabinet liers. Then again he has a history of talking against the Government at this stage.

alang184

(Not directly supporting this rumour)

TV3 Ursula Hannigan reported that two unnamed FF backbenchers are extremely unhappy; one saying that Cowen's handling of this bailout talk "was a disgrace".

Shea O'Meara

Lenihan? What's the point of splitting a rotten barrel in two?


In the short term it would be great for Ireland, as two minor ****wit parties are better than one big one, less of a strangle hold on the electorate. However before the following general election they'd be back in bed together in all but name.....
And we would hear 'FFail have changed!' from FFail and 'They have you know, sure we wouldn't be in it with them if they hadn't!' from FFail nua.

Anyone recall the PD's by the way?

GarlicBread

Sand wrote: »

How is Lenihan going to offer the country a new option? Isnt he the worst example of the sort of a third generation political aristocrat, inheriting seats like family hand-me-downs?

Not to mention hes a compulsive liar and the worst minister for finance of any developed country on earth. You'd almost say the place is undeveloped after he had his way with it.

Corsendonk

Fine Fail owes 3.6 million euros too. Jerry Beades the friend of Bertie Aherne is involved.

Holybejaysus

If there was a split, I could see a lot of people joining it actually. There are many people who have lost faith in the FF policies due to corruption and gombeenism, but wouldn't neccesarily want to vote FG, Labour or Sinn Fein. Lenihan always struck me as a man of integrity-I don't think he had much of a choice regarding the bank bailouts.

Now I await the inevitable hate filled comments from people who won't even bother to consider my statement rationally before commenting.

yoshytoshy

Holybejaysus wrote: »

If there was a split, I could see a lot of people joining it actually. There are many people who have lost faith in the FF policies due to corruption and gombeenism, but wouldn't neccesarily want to vote FG, Labour or Sinn Fein. Lenihan always struck me as a man of integrity-I don't think he had much of a choice regarding the bank bailouts.

Now I await the inevitable hate filled comments from people who won't even bother to consider my statement rationally before commenting.

I don't hold anything against lenihan myself ,but if anyone had integrity in fianna fail they should have done something about it before now.
At least fine gael members tried a few months back ,showing they have a passion for it still.

Poly

Corsendonk wrote: »

Fine Fail owes 3.6 million euros too. Jerry Beades the friend of Bertie Aherne is involved.

to whom? surely you don't expect loans to FF to be repaid

hotmail.com

Cowen is on the 6.1 now. All he needs to do is press play and repeat the usual crap.

Poly

hotmail.com wrote: »

Cowen is on the 6.1 now. All he needs to do is press play and repeat the usual crap.

More denials I presume

PeterIanStaker

hotmail.com wrote: »

Cowen is on the 6.1 now. All he needs to do is press play and repeat the usual crap.

And RTE/Pravda will give him an easy ride . . .:mad:

J K

It's a pity our new masters will only be interested in dictating our financial moves. We badly need a new constitution to be drawn up, new parliament and political structures - put to the people.
No reason why we can't live an orderly lifestyle in the poor house.

gandalf

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

And RTE/Pravda will give him an easy ride . . .:mad:

To be honest given he is saying nothing what difference would it have made for Brian Dobson to ask him tougher questions. All we heard is the "message" that the cabinet are all spouting at the moment which even their own FF back benchers are now rubbishing.

PeterIanStaker

gandalf wrote: »

To be honest given he is saying nothing what difference would it have made for Brian Dobson to ask him tougher questions. All we heard is the "message" that the cabinet are all spouting at the moment which even their own FF back benchers are now rubbishing.

My point is he's always going to get the easy ride off these people.

Seth Brundle

alang184 wrote: »

(Not directly supporting this rumour)

TV3 Ursula Hannigan reported that two unnamed FF backbenchers are extremely unhappy; one saying that Cowen's handling of this bailout talk "was a disgrace".

If they are that unhappy, surely they would go public?

angrybull

Any FF offshoot should be viewed simply as an attempt by them to save their own skin through a rebranding exercise. Not sure that too many people will swallow it.

Whatever happened to talk of Michael McDowell's new party?

Dannyboy83

Wishful thinking doesn't change the fact that about 1 in 5 people still feel compelled to vote for them.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/poll-predicts-general-election-loss-for-ff-in-donegal-482192.html

Sticky_Fingers

angrybull wrote: »

Any FF offshoot should be viewed simply as an attempt by them to save their own skin through a rebranding exercise. Not sure that too many people will swallow it.

Whatever happened to talk of Michael McDowell's new party?

I fear you underestimate the stupidity of the Irish electorate. Have Lenny as their sympathetic put upon leader bravely battling cancer while selflessly serving the nation and the idiots will flock to them. The fact that he is not capable of the job will not dissuade them and they will defend their white knight to the hilt, the poor fella.

Mr.Micro

Originally Posted by alang184
(Not directly supporting this rumour)

TV3 Ursula Hannigan reported that two unnamed FF backbenchers are extremely unhappy; one saying that Cowen's handling of this bailout talk "was a disgrace".

Then they sobered up.

Mr.Micro

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

My point is he's always going to get the easy ride off these people.

I agree with you, Dobbo is absolutely useless to give any politician a decent grilling.....more likely thinking of a mixed grill for his supper.

Ever since OR TE (RTE) apologized for the portrait of Biffo shown on the news it as a broadcaster has been nothing but cowing to Cowen. One has to go to C4 news, BBC news etc to try and get facts. RTE 6 one is just absolute dross.

Don Juan DeMagoo

So they are splitting, no doubt to reinvent themselves....

Divide et impera....... Then scorch the earth beneath their feet and crush their bones to dust.

Just my opinion though;)

Scofflaw

Can we remind the posters who seem to have forgotten - such as Coalbucket, testicle, and yoshytoshy - that this is not AH, and persistent attempts at sophomore humour will result in a ban for muppetry.

A ban of one week will be awarded to the next poster to post a Chemical Ali picture in the belief that they're being witty. Second and subsequent prizes will consist of longer and longer bans. Do tell your friends.

moderately,
Scofflaw

alang184

kbannon wrote: »

If they are that unhappy, surely they would go public?

One would think that. But Irish parties seem to apply an extra stringent level of conformism to members; it's quite clear individuals are afraid to speak out to save their reputation within the party, or to avoid the inevitable victimisation.

Liam Byrne

If "Fianna Fáil Nua" includes former FF members, then it includes those who

1) Voted confidence in Ahern, O'Dea, O'Donoghue & Cowen
2) Voted in favour of NAMA & Anglo

So a split or a rebranding doesn't make a blind bit of difference.

goose2005

Holybejaysus wrote: »

If there was a split, I could see a lot of people joining it actually. There are many people who have lost faith in the FF policies due to corruption and gombeenism, but wouldn't neccesarily want to vote FG, Labour or Sinn Fein.

But FF's only purpose is corruption and gombeenism. It has literally no guiding ideologies or ideas. People are in FF because they want political power. That's all.

Tom Patrick Bateman

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Rumours are spreading of a split in Fianna Fáil and the formation of a new party as reported on Drivetime tonight. I said it on another thread, but the game is up for FF whatever they decide to call themselves.

So the end of civil war politics comes with the loss of economic soverignty to outsiders. Not what we wanted at all...:(

Whatever way you look at it, we are truly ruined at this stage. The country is doomed.

Tom Patrick Bateman

Corsendonk wrote: »

Fine Fail owes 3.6 million euros too. Jerry Beades the friend of Bertie Aherne is involved.

I used to love Bertie, but I can say now with the way the country has gone that he and FF are pure evil gombeen kleptocrats.

yoshytoshy

Hopefully tomorrow ,although a bad day for the country ,will be the real beginning of the end for fianna fail. The budget will hopefully be the end.

skearon

According to their website they don't exist

storker

alang184 wrote: »

A subset of FF is still FF, no matter what title is put on it.

Just the virus subdividing...

Stork

ArtSmart

Liam Byrne wrote: »

If "Fianna Fáil Nua" includes former FF members, then it includes those who

1) Voted confidence in Ahern, O'Dea, O'Donoghue & Cowen
2) Voted in favour of NAMA & Anglo

So a split or a rebranding doesn't make a blind bit of difference.

Well as Bulmer's (Magners) will tell you, re-branding is everything.

This is interesting stuff - and you know what - i reckon there may well be truth in it - at least in the aspiration anyway.

The practicalities are a little trickier.

Rest assured , nothing of the sort will happen unless they're outside the upcoming coalition government, which is possible, but as I now realise, is not certain.

Liam Byrne

ArtSmart wrote: »

Well as Bulmer's (Magners) will tell you, re-branding is everything.

OK - let me rephrase.

I don't fall for rebranding. It's pointless if it's the same crap that didn't sell beforehand.

IIRC, Bulmers had to rebrand due to a copyright issue, not because their drink was unpalatable.......

Mr.Micro

Well if they want to rebrand then they had better drop any part of the Fianna Fail name. Call themselves the New Irish Beer Party.

thebman

Rats leaving sinking ship analogy required in this thread.

If only they'd leave the island TBH.

Having assisted in bringing the country to bankruptcy they attempt to rebrand in the hope to trick the public.

We should be taking names and setting up rateyourpolitician.ie :P

Liam Byrne

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Well if they want to rebrand then they had better drop any part of the Fianna Fail name. Call themselves the New Irish Beer Party.

As I said, if it's the same shower that voted as I outlined above, then they still shouldn't get any votes.

EDIT : Health Boards => HSE springs to mind.

Laminations

ArtSmart wrote: »

Well as Bulmer's (Magners) will tell you, re-branding is everything.

FF and their remaining supporters are a scourge on this country. Re-branding is a very different tactic than trying to pick out the vegetables from a slather of vomit (another scourge on our streets), washing them off and then trying to present them as if they were never a part of that vomit, as if they didn't make up its constituent parts, as if they didn't contribute to what made the vomit revolting. FF, or any subset of FF is anathema to democracy and accountability. Senior memebers shouldn't just get to brush themselves off, put on a new jacket and try again - they ALL need to be held accountable.

ArtSmart

Watching vincent Browne.

I tell you, if there is a FF nua, Peter Power is in with a strong shout for leadership.

(btw, i'm not suggesting i'd like to see FF in power. )

oceanclub

Fianna Fail Nua? Jesus, give me a break. The guy on Drivetime representing them, was Jerry Beades. One of Cupboard Bertie's biggest cronies, a FF executive member and a property developer!! This guy: http://www.tribune.ie/article/2004/jul/04/ff-member-may-face-jail-over-illegal-site/

What's "new" about this? Same old Fianna Fail. Get them all out!

P.

ArtSmart

oceanclub wrote: »

Fianna Fail Nua? Jesus, give me a break. The guy on Drivetime representing them, was Jerry Beades. One of Cupboard Bertie's biggest cronies, a FF executive member and a property developer!! This guy: http://www.tribune.ie/article/2004/jul/04/ff-member-may-face-jail-over-illegal-site/

What's "new" about this? Same old Fianna Fail. Get them all out!

P.

Yeah, more like 'ok rats, we need a new ship, now!'

wonder though will there be others besides the old guard?

oceanclub

skearon wrote: »

According to their website they don't exist

Stephen - I presume you are Stephen Kearon - weren't you the one who set up the site in the first place? Don't be coy.

http://www.mamanpoulet.com/ffnua/

In reaction to this news, Stephen Kearon, staunch FF loyalist, uber texter into radio programmes, former local election candidate and former adviser to Dick Roche registered the url www.fiannafailnua.com. This site redirects to the official party website.


Isn’t is grand for them buying websites while the country ‘burns’. Jerry Beades is being called a canard teller there by Stephen Kearon mind you. So we’ll see the official FFNua website soon enough I suppose.

It just goes to show FIanna Fail's priorities: the IMF have arrived, and you guys are playing silly beggars.

P.

Revolution9

If there is a new party I certainly hope they don't call themselves Fianna Fail Nua. Fianna Fail is a stupid enough name as it is. The Soldiers of Destiny. Laughable.

jmayo

gandalf wrote: »

This rumour was doing the rounds months ago as well. As others have said no matter what they call themselves they will still be tainted by the fact they came from FF.

If civil war politics are truly to be laid to rest FF & FG need to merge into one party.

I can't see FG inviting them in, can you ?

angrybull wrote: »

Any FF offshoot should be viewed simply as an attempt by them to save their own skin through a rebranding exercise. Not sure that too many people will swallow it.

Whatever happened to talk of Michael McDowell's new party?

Just remember the bold michael mcdowell kept bertie in power, he was iin the government that allowed the worst excesses to occurr with regards to banking and property speculation.
Yeah that's the type of gutless spineless moron we need leading a new party.
It is sad to think what harney, mcdowell and others like palron did to what Dessie O'Malley started out with.

oceanclub wrote: »

Stephen - I presume you are Stephen Kearon - weren't you the one who set up the site in the first place? Don't be coy.

http://www.mamanpoulet.com/ffnua/

It just goes to show FIanna Fail's priorities: the IMF have arrived, and you guys are playing silly beggars.

P.

Great work ocenclub.
They must be hunted and harried until they no longer have hiding places from which to peddle their sh**e.

feicim

Fianna fail nua?? Why don't they just fúck off and go back to whatever job they were doing before they became politicians, or better still go on to the dole where they belong. They have proven time and time again to be completely useless at running a country, they must have zero respect for Irish citizens if those treasonous morons think they can go off and start a new party and expect to get voted for...

Is this proposal some kind of "Nama" for Fianna fail?

ie, leave all the bad politicians in FF and put all the good ones in FF Nua (or whatever they call it). Wake up call lads, you are all brutal and all complicit in screwing the country up and are lucky not to be lynched, its pushing your luck to be trying to hang on to your cushy number in the dail. The hard-necked swine.:mad:

maringo

Looks like Leinster House is going too!!!!!


http://www.buyandsell.ie/search/for-sale/property/dublin/-/leinster-house