600 page report on how America protected Nazis

SugarHigh

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40178937/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times/

Perhaps the report’s most damning disclosures come in assessing the Central Intelligence Agency’s involvement with Nazi émigrés. Scholars and previous government reports had acknowledged the C.I.A.’s use of Nazis for postwar intelligence purposes. But this report goes further in documenting the level of American complicity and deception in such operations.

So basically being a nazi is wrong unless you can benefit the US in some way and then it's no big deal anymore.

I'm so glad to see Gramps finally getting some recognition.:)

oppenheimer1

SugarHigh wrote: »

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40178937/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times/

So basically being a nazi is wrong unless you can benefit the US in some way and then it's no big deal anymore.

I'm so glad to see Gramps finally getting some recognition.:)

Surely this is old news. You've heard of operation paperclip right? If it wasn't for the Nazis the americans would never have gone to the moon.

PanchoVilla

Joseph Mengele, the so-called Angel of Death, was actually captured by allied forces in Germany, given a fake ID card, then sent on his way.

The unit hurried west to avoid being captured by the Soviets and were taken as prisoners of war by the Americans. Mengele, initially registered under his own name, was released in June 1945 with papers giving his name as "Fritz Hollmann". From July 1945 until May 1949, he worked as a farmhand in a small village near Rosenheim, Bavaria, staying in contact with his wife and his old friend Hans Sedlmeier, who arranged Mengele's escape to Argentina via Innsbruck, Sterzing, Meran, and Genoa. Mengele may have been assisted by the ODESSA network.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele#After_Auschwitz

Nodin

SugarHigh wrote: »

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40178937/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times/

So basically being a nazi is wrong unless you can benefit the US in some way and then it's no big deal anymore.

I'm so glad to see Gramps finally getting some recognition.:)

Was that way then, is that way now. .

Senna

Wasn't there a few nazi's working on NASA's Apollo project.

Mozoltov!

tl;dr

Inglorious Bastards was based on a true story.

bonerm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzNSmQI9-64

One small liftoff for man. One giant liftoff for nazi-kind.

SugarHigh

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Joseph Mengele, the so-called Angel of Death, was actually captured by allied forces in Gremany, given a fake ID card, then sent on his way.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele#After_Auschwitz

If I ever have kids I'm calling one of them the angel of death, best name in history.

PanchoVilla

Old story but interesting none the less.

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.

The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

SugarHigh

SugarHigh wrote: »

If I ever have kids I'm calling one of them the angel of death, best name in history.

i really hope your second name isnt o brien

dots104

surely you have seen dr strangelove

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihKq34Ozc

Biggins

Anyone know of a link to said document?

ejmaztec

Biggins wrote: »

Anyone know of a link to said document?

AH is always the best place to look for the missing link.

Biggins

ejmaztec wrote: »

AH is always the best place to look for the missing link.

You said it! :pac:

hinault

Von Braun headed up NASA.

I know VB was in the wehrmacht, not sure if he was a nazi though.

Misanthrope

Good old Operation Paperclip.

You've also got IBM implicated in supplying the death camps with Hollerith machines for routing inmates.

Prescott Bush on reprimand for channelling funds to the Nazis through Brown Bros Harriman.

Coca Cola manufacturing products in Nazi Germany during the war.Though they claim the Nazis took over their German ops and invented Fanta when they ran out of essentials for Coca Cola,they still keep the Nazi soda brand going to this day.Is that disrespectful?

Clawdeeus

hinault wrote: »

Von Braun headed up NASA.

I know VB was in the wehrmacht, not sure if he was a nazi though.

He was in the Nazi party and of the SS, however it was demanded of him (it was standard at the time for top intellectuals, or those receiving funding from the government to be in both.)

It is an urban myth that he invented rocketry, it was Robert H Goddard who did that. Also something of an urban myth that he is the reason the US won the space race; 400 000 people worked in the apollo program and 20 000 institutions. It would certainly have been closer if the Soviet Union had Von Braun, but they were actually no where close to a moon landing by the time it ended. They did not even succeed in a fly by, despite seizing the main V 2 facility, and most of the plans/ scientists involved. Even if his absence had extended the program by 3 years (alot of work for one dude) the Soviets program still had not reached the moon, and had really stalled (it was then cancelled).

Irish Guitarist

Wernher Von Braun designed the V2 bomber. He ran a slave labour camp forcing Jews to build them. They were subsequently dropped all over Britain, killing thousands of civilians.

He's a hero in America because he helped design the rocket that landed man on the Moon. He even has a crater named after him.

• Apollo space program director Sam Phillips was quoted as saying that he did not think that America would have reached the moon as quickly as it did without von Braun's help. Later, after discussing it with colleagues, he amended this to say that he did not believe America would have reached the moon at all.I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed"]citation needed[/URL][/I
• The crater von Braun on the Moon is named after him.

Jesus Wept

tl;dr

Clawdeeus

Its hardly a secret that the winners of the war took intellectual capitol from the defeated. Neutral countries also took in those who fled, particularly those with money. Argentina obviously. Folens (who published all my books in school) was a nazi who fled to Ireland. Another who came here was Scarface Skorzeny, who almost certainly should have been hung.

Von Braun's story is actually sad, he was dedicated to putting a man in space but there was no call for that sort of idealism where he was, or the time he was there. He was actually arrested by the Gestapo in 44 for dedicating too much rescource to do just that, instead of developing weapon systems.

Sure, more people should have been punished (particularly amoungst the japanese) but this idea that anyone who contributed to the war effort of the Axis powers should have been hanged or punished is silly. Many more should have been, von Braun is probablly not amoungst them.

Amhran Nua

Disturbing article here on some of the companies that worked with the Nazis...

So how evil were they?
We'll let you be the judge. At the height of the Nazi terror during the 1940s, it was not atypical for a slave worker to build electrical switches for Siemens in the morning and be snuffed out in a Siemens-made gas chamber in the afternoon.

Why else would the Allies destroy four-fifths of the company's factories during the war? Because they were bored? **** no. It's because they intended to blitz the marque brand of Nazi Germany back into hell where it belonged.

These days Siemens is being forced to pay due to a series of lawsuits from survivors. So, at least they own up to it, right?

Well, a few years ago, in an act of insensitive ****ery so colossal it could blot out the sun, Siemens tried to trademark the name "Zyklon" with the intent of marketing a series of products under the name. Including gas ovens.

aDeener

SugarHigh wrote: »

If I ever have kids I'm calling one of them the angle of death, best name in history.

fyp :pac:

sensibleken

Before we get too upety Ireland sheltered plenty of Nazis after WW2 aswell. You know all those folans books you used to have at school? yup, ran by a nazi.

at least the yanks got some cool rockets out of it. we just got bleedin anne and barry

Zebra3

Sure what about all the companies nowadays who supply the septics with stuff to carry out their war crimes?

Rabble Rabble

Meh. The Nazis are the Bogey Man of history. You would swear they were the only imperial, or racist power in 1939-1945. Or the last two centuries. Frankly I think they are about in the top 5.

thecelt

anyone know where to get a copy of this report?

SpannerMonkey

its like this lads "the winners write the history books" both sides did nasty inhuman things it was war , it will never change

Terry

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

Meh. The Nazis are the Bogey Man of history. You would swear they were the only imperial, or racist power in 1939-1945. Or the last two centuries. Frankly I think they are about in the top 5.

Indeed.
Before the NAZIs, there was an empire who oversaw the deaths of 25% of one of the countries they had conquered.
There was no remorse shown, nor were any of those involved taken to task for crimes against humanity.
No mention of war crimes either.

The ancestors of those who suffered ended up apologising to the invaders.

The world is a strange place.

Red Hand

Terry wrote: »

Indeed.
Before the NAZIs, there was an empire who oversaw the deaths of 25% of one of the countries they had conquered.
There was no remorse shown, nor were any of those involved taken to task for crimes against humanity.
No mention of war crimes either.

The ancestors of those who suffered ended up apologising to the invaders.

The world is a strange place.

Galactic Empire.

Bast*rds.

Mike 1972

SugarHigh wrote: »

600 page report on how America protected Nazis

Coming soon:

600 page report on the Popes religious affiliations

and dont miss the upcoming 600 page report on forest bears toilet habits

TeddyTedson

Terry wrote: »

Indeed.
Before the NAZIs, there was an empire who oversaw the deaths of 25% of one of the countries they had conquered.
There was no remorse shown, nor were any of those involved taken to task for crimes against humanity.
No mention of war crimes either.

The ancestors of those who suffered ended up apologising to the invaders.

The world is a strange place.

Yea people go on about nazis like we never had anything similar

Corsendonk

The Soviets also used Nazi Scientists for the Soviet arms race. A way to progress your career was to join the Nazi party too.

Trog

LAds, the pope is a Nazi. They're all over the shop.

aDeener

Terry wrote: »

Indeed.
Before the NAZIs, there was an empire who oversaw the deaths of 25% of one of the countries they had conquered.
There was no remorse shown, nor were any of those involved taken to task for crimes against humanity.
No mention of war crimes either.

The ancestors of those who suffered ended up apologising to the invaders.

The world is a strange place.

i wonder what empire that could be?

mike, you are knowledgeable on these kind of topics, could you enlighten me?

Einhard

Every country did the same thing- America, Russia, Britain and France all benefitted from the expertise of "former" Nazis. The bureaucratic hierarchy of West Germany was stuffed full of them. The country wouldn't have been able to function had there been a full purge of all former Nazis.

marcsignal

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Zebra3

And don't forget that in Italy most of those pro-Mussolini lads were allowed keep all their top jobs post-1945.

Mike 1972

Einhard wrote: »

The bureaucratic hierarchy of West Germany was stuffed full of them. The country wouldn't have been able to function had there been a full purge of all former Nazis.

As was the "security apparatus" in East Germany

Wibbs

Don't forget Franco in Spain. Him and Adolf and Benito were all best buds. He invited the Condor legion into Spain to practice their art. He was the smartest of them though. He died in his bed and his Nazi stylee dictatorship lasted until 1976.

thecelt

i guess thats a no

Solnskaya

That Braun lad might have been a Nazi pig dog swine, but damn, his schavink maschine is soo fine. Keeps my beard vell trimmed. Then again, it was probably nothing to him to build the best razors, not exactly rocket science, is it? I never copped VB as a Nazi though, I quite liked his "Tonight" programme up till now, but I will never look at him the same again (I always thought he had an evil glint in his eye).

Arnold Layne

Lest not forget that when the NAZI's came to power that they employed IBM to conduct their census and in the subsequent occupied territories.

Hitler even had a special medal made for Thomas Watson, the president of IBM in the late 1930s.

http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/

http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/ibm.htm

Son Of A Vidic

Nothing new here, the Germans were decades ahead in military technology. The current american B2 stealth bomber can be traced back to the German prototype in 1937. The allies and Russians fought desperately to grab German military and scientific technology at the end of WW2 and the brains behind it.

Solnskaya

I'm fully convinced that we should condemn all Nazi era collaborator corporations and boycott their products. Like everyone else, I am never going to purchase a Volkswagen or BMW ever again, same goes for those pesky Japs, so no more Mitsubishi for me. The only thing I will ever use again is a Schindler lift. Life will be full of ups and downs.(Those Mengele farm machines are well dodgy too).

sock puppet

Terry wrote: »

Indeed.
Before the NAZIs, there was an empire who oversaw the deaths of 25% of one of the countries they had conquered.
There was no remorse shown, nor were any of those involved taken to task for crimes against humanity.
No mention of war crimes either.

If Dachau and the like had been the only camps set up then I doubt the Nazi's would be remembered anyway near as badly either.

Degsy

Remember this..if Hitler hadnt hated the jews so much he could've had a working nuclear weapon by 1944.


First stop..probably London.

Solnskaya

Well at least he killed off the fashion of wearing a silly little moustache under your nose - clouds and silver linings and all that.

byhookorbycrook

sensibleken wrote: »

Before we get too upety Ireland sheltered plenty of Nazis after WW2 aswell. You know all those folans books you used to have at school? yup, ran by a nazi.

at least the yanks got some cool rockets out of it. we just got bleedin anne and barry

Was just discussing a guy who had lived in Waterford a minute ago.
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/how-devs-ireland-became-safe-haven-for-fugitive-nazis-120588.html

Rawhead

The contribution to medicine made by both Axis countries during the war years advanced medical science by 30 years or more.
They did experiments on live people that wouldn't be allowed today on a lab rat. Most people know about Mengele, but the stuff done by the Japs was as bad if not worse.
Not exactly sure of the unit (think it was unit 714) of the imperial army did experiments on Chinese POWs relating to altitude and pressure, nasty beyond words. The unit commander hid all the results and used them as bargaining chips with the U.S., worked to, he got away with the lot.

If your child was in hospital and the doctor informed you that the procedure that would save your child's life was learned and perfected on children in Dachau, would you say no to the procedure?

Overheal

These countries couldn't afford not to be Pragmatic after the fall of Germany. The Nazi's may have done a lot of twisted things but they also conducted a lot of research, which had value, and would have been very foolish to discard.

Wibbs

The Japanese were unbelievably barbaric in China. Made the Germans look like boy scouts by comparison. Yet they got to keep their chinless wonder emperor and have none of the apologetic guff the Germans still get hit with in a few quarters.

As for the medical research, In the case of the vast majority of Mengele's data it was completely useless. He was just an evil black hearted kunt.

In engineering the Germans were so far ahead. Especially of the Russians and even the Americans(manhattan project aside). The Brits to be fair had some funky stuff going on but lack of cash after the war crippled them. If you look at the X1 piloted by Yaeger to mach 1 it had a load of innovations and research behind it that came from the Brits.