How do you become you?

Patri

So I was studying biology today, the human reproductive system and it got me thinking, how do you become you?
For instance, when you develop a brain do you suddenly develop consciousness? Or are you aware of yourself before fertilisation?

Just pointless thoughts but it's kind of interesting.

galwayrush

I'll have a double black rum if you're buying.:)

alwaysadub

With me, something got fcuked up somewhere anyway!

KeithM89_old

"So I was studying biology today,"

You lost me there....

digme

Patri wrote: »

So I was studying biology today, the human reproductive system and it got me thinking, how do you become you?
For instance, when you develop a brain do you suddenly develop consciousness? Or are you aware of yourself before fertilisation?

Just pointless thoughts but it's kind of interesting.

Consciousness produces the brain

Patri

galwayrush wrote: »

I'll have a double black rum if you're buying.:)

:pac:

darragh16

Patri wrote: »

So I was studying biology today, the human reproductive system and it got me thinking, how do you become you?
For instance, when you develop a brain do you suddenly develop consciousness? Or are you aware of yourself before fertilisation?

Just pointless thoughts but it's kind of interesting.

There was a spider in the bath the other day...

Mint Sauce

I was in my grannies womb

Princess Peach

irish-stew wrote: »

I was in my grannies womb

Now thats a messed up family tree!

raah!

What if people start talking about abortion!?

All that pleasant speculation ruined.

In my opinion, when looked at from a chemical/material basis, there's never really such a thing as "you". Unless 'you' is just some label arbitrarily mashed onto a clump of cells. "Consciousness" can be said to be just neurons firing in a certain way or arranged in this or that fashion.

The firing of those neurons is determined by physics and chemistry, so things you "think" aren't really thought by you, but just matter interacting with other matter, all of which is governed by physics.

Mint Sauce

Princess Peach wrote: »

Now thats a messed up family tree!

So was every one, think about it for a mo

Patri

Patri wrote: »

So I was studying biology today, the human reproductive system and it got me thinking, how do you become you?
For instance, when you develop a brain do you suddenly develop consciousness? Or are you aware of yourself before fertilisation?

Just pointless thoughts but it's kind of interesting.

René Descartes had a long day at work telling people "I think therefore I am". By the time he got to the bar he was hankering for a guinness big time.

"Hey René" said the barman "a coke again tonight is it?"

"I think not" replied René Descartes.

So he disappeared.

Princess Peach

irish-stew wrote: »

So was every one, think about it for a mo

Do I need to give you lessons on the female reproductive system?

raah!

raah! wrote: »

What if people start talking about abortion!?

There is always one.

aidan_walsh

irish-stew wrote: »

So was every one, think about it for a mo

Pretty sure I was never near your gran.

karlog

Princess Peach wrote: »

Do I need to give you lessons on the female reproductive system?

Why are you a lesbian?

Princess Peach

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Pretty sure I was never near your gran.

Hahaha!

According to him everyone was in his gran at some stage!

johnnyskeleton

Deleted User wrote: »

René Descartes had a long day at work telling people "I think therefore I am". By the time he got to the bar he was hankering for a guinness big time.

"Hey René" said the barman "a coke again tonight is it?"

"I think not" replied René Descartes.

So he disappeared.

That was Des Carthy, from Co. Clare.

MagicMarker

Patri wrote: »

Or are you aware of yourself before fertilisation?

Your biology teacher should be sacked.

Mint Sauce

Princess Peach wrote: »

Hahaha!

According to him everyone was in his gran at some stage!

nooooooooooo, they were in their own gran.

a females eggs or ovas, are formed by the time she is born. meaning that i was in my own grans womb as an unfertilised egg in my mother

everyone else was in their own gran

Calibos

Princess Peach wrote: »

Do I need to give you lessons on the female reproductive system?

No, but it seems you need them

A female fetus is born with all the eggs the female will ever have in her ovaries. ie, the egg that you or your brother etc came from was inside your mother while she was still a fetus inside your gran. Sperm on the other hand are 'made to order' so to speak

baltimore sun

raah! wrote: »

The firing of those neurons is determined by physics and chemistry, so things you "think" aren't really thought by you, but just matter interacting with other matter, all of which is governed by physics.

Can't argue with that.

If you really want to get freaked out go download yourself some podcasts on mirror neurons & neuroscience, they'll pretty much explain that nothing is real and everything is merely only perceived and how humans perceive things because they're basically accepted as that while an animal can perceive the exact same thing in a completely different way. See, for example, how dogs perceive time, see also how bats and "see" sound, see also how some animals "see" scents

It's fascinating stuff altogether.

But on a basic level, I think that a "you" doesn't exist until birth, before that you're not really properly alive so can't you be a "you".
horrah for science.

scientific1982

The brain is the hardware and the environment is the software. However, we are all born with some predetermined traits.

Was there not something about this before? How our actions are determined by other experiences that make us more alert about our surroundings, but also make us more conscious to the fact that we're more alert?


There's some theory out there. Can't remember the name of it, but I'm fairly sure the word "Omega" is in the title of it.


It's something to do with the human race become more aware of things surrounding us (dangers, threats, damaging the environment, etc), which makes us more conscious of ourselves and our actions (more paranoid, etc.), and not being able to turn back to a prior point, and this going on and on until we're essentially drones or some such. Too afraid to do anything, but conscious, so we realise that we're afraid. I think.


I didn't read it all. It was a head melter for the short while I did look at it.


In fact, if anyone knows what I'm talking about, and read it and understands it, I'd love to hear a joe-soap version. Very interesting, though.

Princess Peach

irish-stew wrote: »

nooooooooooo, they were in their own gran.

a females eggs or ovas, are formed by the time she is born. meaning that i was in my own grans womb as an unfertilised egg

Thats not a person though!

Stop trying to find a way of salvaging your gran's reputation.

Mint Sauce

Calibos wrote: »

No, but it seems you need them

A female fetus is born with all the eggs the female will ever have in her ovaries. ie, the egg that you or your brother etc came from was inside your mother while she was still a fetus inside your gran. Sperm on the other hand are 'made to order' so to speak

<phew>

someone who got my post

Mint Sauce

Princess Peach wrote: »

Thats not a person though!

Stop trying to find a way of salvaging your gran's reputation.

ah you know what i meant

Patri

Patri wrote: »

how do you become you?

In my usual format of following up a dumb ass post with a semi seious one.... if you really want to get pedantic about it you become you every moment of every day.

You are the sum of your parts and you are the sum of your experiences. The "you" that exists "now" became that "You" the moment before.

The "You" that is "You" changes every moment... meaning the "you" that was "you" that read the first word of this post... the post that the "i" that was "i" wrote.... is not the same "you" reading the same "i" that was the "i" that wrote the post before the "you" that is "you" now started to read it back when the "you" that is "you" now was the "you" that "you" were then when you first opened it.

Do "you" get it now? Or at least does the "you" that gets it now realise what the first "you" that understood it first understood when that "you" got it?

raah!

baltimore sun wrote: »

Can't argue with that.

If you really want to get freaked out go download yourself some podcasts on mirror neurons & neuroscience, they'll pretty much explain that nothing is real and everything is merely only perceived and how humans perceive things because they're basically accepted as that while an animal can perceive the exact same thing in a completely different way. See, for example, how dogs perceive time, see also how bats and "see" sound, see also how some animals "see" scents

It's fascinating stuff altogether.

Deary me! I have no intention of being freaked out . It is very interesting though.

Princess Peach

I definitely wouldn't be calling an egg a person with thoughts though.

You're clever quip did not amuse me.

evercloserunion

The sixth day.

Jumpy

irish-stew wrote: »

I was in my grannies womb

Weally?

baltimore sun

Deleted User wrote: »

In my usual format of following up a dumb ass post with a semi seious one.... if you really want to get pedantic about it you become you every moment of every day.

You are the sum of your parts and you are the sum of your experiences. The "you" that exists "now" became that "You" the moment before.

The "You" that is "You" changes every moment... meaning the "you" that was "you" that read the first word of this post... the post that the "i" that was "i" wrote.... is not the same "you" reading the same "i" that was the "i" that wrote the post before the "you" that is "you" now started to read it back when the "you" that is "you" now was the "you" that "you" were then when you first opened it.

Do "you" get it now? Or at least does the "you" that gets it now realise what the first "you" that understood it first understood when that "you" got it?

Bravo! That was well put squire

baltimore sun

baltimore sun wrote: »

Bravo! That was well put squire

If only you knew how many times I re wrote every sentence before i got it right, and even now i see two errors

The sooner i get back drinking the better. 6 weeks left

Sardonicat

Philosophy forum this way >>>
Science forum that way< < <

raah!

In fairness, this is an area where the two are fairly inseperable.

Sardonicat

Sardonicat wrote: »

Philosophy forum this way >>>
Science forum that way< < <

And here I am, stuck in the middle with you.

Logical Fallacy

digme wrote: »

Consciousness produces the brain

Ballsology tbf.

Mint Sauce

What do you think OP?

Sardonicat

raah! wrote: »

In fairness, this is an area where the two are fairly inseperable.

Tell that to the scientists.

raah!

Op appears to be gone. And just because the op has only put forward questions does not mean op has not expressed views on the matter. Asking a question about something is saying that this is somethign which can be questioned, and in this op has already contributed to the topic in a meaningful way.

raah!

Sardonicat wrote: »

Tell that to the scientists.

Like francis crick! He hates philosophers! He does lsd aswell! He's so cool!
But even then, francis crick is heavy on the materialism, it's impossible to say that materialism has nothing to do with philosophy. Especially when it comes to materialisms implications on things like "when does a person become a person", as I tried to outline in my post. One has to deal with things like definitions of what a person is etc. And you can't measure definitions.

raah!

raah! wrote: »

Op appears to be gone. And just because the op has only put forward questions does not mean op has not expressed views on the matter. Asking a question about something is saying that this is somethign which can be questioned, and in this op has already contributed to the topic in a meaningful way.

Hmmm... someone probably asked a question.... and then has not been seen since..... and after some time no one will remember if he really existed or if he was magic some how..... but clearly his opinion was special at the time......

Religions are made of this

Heres to the absentee speaker wherever he may be

Patri

irish-stew wrote: »

What do you think OP?

Ah sorry I was just taking in all yeer wonderful views
Personally I'm not sure that's why I asked :pac: I know the person you are now is largely due to past experiences and such but I was just curious about what makes you that conscious person from birth? If that makes any sense, I doubt it does . I'm not into philosophy so I couldn't say if this ties in or not, I suppose it does in a way.

Patri

raah! wrote: »

In fairness, this is an area where the two are fairly inseperable.

Ya very true, it's a tough one, what do you make of it raah?

Sea Sharp

I'm not high or drunk enough for this crap!
Look at your hands man, LOOK at them.

Spare a thought for me, i did this thread sober

puppieperson

you do all the things you have to school college marriage kids... perfect - then you undo all those things job mariage kids and then at 50 years of age you know exactly who you are! But. and sadly you wasted your life doing what was expected of you. at 50 you dont bother with arseholes because of who they are or how they are conneced etc at 50 you listen to yourself and have the dog you always wanted..... screw you all at 50 i dont give a damn and yes your bum does look big in that At 50 you say & do what you always wanted to say and do and enjoy it that when you really become you.

Biggins

Patri wrote: »

So I was studying biology today, the human reproductive system and it got me thinking, how do you become you?
For instance, when you develop a brain do you suddenly develop consciousness? Or are you aware of yourself before fertilisation?

Just pointless thoughts but it's kind of interesting.

No, its really not!

CrazyRabbit

Nothing existed until I first became concious.

You & indeed this entire universe are just a figment of my imagination.

Rabble Rabble

Biggins wrote: »

No, its really not!

It could have been. But it isnt.