NFL QB Power Ratings

D3PO

A lot of passionate discussion this week about QB's in the NFL

Lets nail our colours to the mast so to speak then. Id like to see people rank the 32 starters in the league under the following categories to see where there is concensus and where there is debate over a QB.

Please note this is a career power rankings and not for this season. Yes I know its going to be hard to rate rookies but your gonna have to do it :cool:

elite
excellent
very good
solid
backup
poor

Peyton Manning

Elite
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees

Excellent
Brett Favre
Ben Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers

Very Good
Philip Rivers
Donovan McNabb
Eli Manning
Matt Schaub
Matt Ryan

Solid
Matthew Stafford
Sam Bradford
Josh Freeman
Vince Young
Joe Flacco
Michael Vick
Tony Romo
Jay Cutler
Carson Palmer
Chad Henne
Mark Sanchez
Kyle Orton
Matt Hasselbeck

Back Up
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Colt McCoy
Matt Cassel
David Garrard
Jason Campbell
Alex Smith

Poor
Derek Anderson
Matt Moore

That was difficult. Of those in the solid group, Id probably give most of them different rankings out of 10 so was a bit tricky luping them all in there.

Leslie91

Sorry but Philip Rivers is at the very least excellent.

Peyton Manning

Leslie91 wrote: »

Sorry but Philip Rivers is at the very least excellent.

In the NFL QB Regular Season Power Rankings, yes.

davyjose

I think this thread should be locked if it descends into a Brady/Manning debate. you'll (probably) either pick Brady or Manning at No.1. no need to explain, or argue -- there are countless other threads for that.

/My 2c

Good list archie. I'd question having Rivers in the group below Rodgers; Rodgers is clearly an excellent QB, but IMO he hasn't really done anything that extraordinary yet. I think Rivers this season alone propels him ahead.

davyjose

Archimedes wrote: »

In the NFL QB Regular Season Power Rankings, yes.

And rodgers?

Peyton Manning

davyjose wrote: »

I think this thread should be locked if it descends into a Brady/Manning debate. you'll (probably) either pick Brady or Manning at No.1. no need to explain, or argue -- there are countless other threads for that.

/My 2c

Good list archie. I'd question having Rivers in the group below Rodgers; Rodgers is clearly an excellent QB, but IMO he hasn't really done anything that extraordinary yet. I think Rivers this season alone propels him ahead.

Well I knew the Rivers vs Rodgers debate would probably surface first, and it was difficult putting them into two separate groups. All I went on was that from what I've seen, Rodgers looks to have that little bit more to his game and strikes me as the more clutch QB of the two. I just think he's a very special QB in the making. I'd be happier with Rodgers as my QB than I would with Rivers, lets put it that way, and I like Rivers. He's just hampered by some very poor coaching so there's every chance he could move up to the next level.

Peyton Manning

davyjose wrote: »

And rodgers?

Rodgers showed me he has more than enough to perform in the playoffs. 422 yards and 4 touchdowns despite a poor offensive line in his only game so far.

davyjose

Archimedes wrote: »

Well I knew the Rivers vs Rodgers debate would probably surface first, and it was difficult putting them into two separate groups. All I went on was that from what I've seen, Rodgers looks to have that little bit more to his game and strikes me as the more clutch QB of the two. I just think he's a very special QB in the making. I'd be happier with Rodgers as my QB than I would with Rivers, lets put it that way, and I like Rivers. He's just hampered by some very poor coaching so there's every chance he could move up to the next level.

I agree with the bit in bold. I just don't think he's there yet. Rivers is. As of today, Rivers has had a better career, and is a better QB.

D3PO

Im working on careersso mine is a bit different than Archies, but in general is the same

Farve & Big Ben feature as elite for me. Farve nuff said, big ben 2 rings thats elite right there

I also class Flacco (road playoff wins every season, Stafford (what little we have seen) and Cutler

Henne for me is a backup but apart form that in agreement

Elite
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Brett Favre
Ben Roethlisberger

Excellent
Aaron Rodgers
Philip Rivers
Donovan McNabb

Very Good
Eli Manning
Matt Schaub
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Matthew Stafford (early days but looks every good when hes on the field to me)
Jay Cutler

Solid
Sam Bradford
Josh Freeman
Vince Young
Michael Vick
Tony Romo
Carson Palmer
Mark Sanchez
Kyle Orton
Matt Hasselbeck
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Colt McCoy
Matt Cassel
David Garrard

Back Up
Jason Campbell
Alex Smith
Chad Henne

Poor
Derek Anderson
Matt Moore

Peyton Manning

davyjose wrote: »

I agree with the bit in bold. I just don't think he's there yet. Rivers is. As of today, Rivers has had a better career, and is a better QB.

We'll agree to disagree. I think Rodgers is a better QB even at this moment in time than Rivers, and is far more capable of controlling a game.

davyjose

Archimedes wrote: »

We'll agree to disagree. I think Rodgers is a better QB even at this moment in time than Rivers, and is far more capable of controlling a game.

That's fair enough. I just can't see how Rivers is on the same level as Matt ryan, and Rodgers is up there with the likes of Favre. That's bizarre to me.

If anything I would have Rivers and Rodgers as 2 of the closest placed QB's (with Rivers currently ahead).

And again the bit in bold? Far more? Come on man, he's not John Elway. Not yet anyway. 6-10 and 11-5 seasons are average.

Hulk Hands

Obviously Brees not being Elite will cause a stir, but I just can't put him in the same grouping as Manning and Brady. Saying that, he is by far the closest to get up from the excellent group, in which i'd have Rivers second.

Elite
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady


Excellent
Drew Brees
Philip Rivers
Brett Favre
Ben Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers

Very Good
Eli Manning
Matt Schaub
Matt Ryan
Donovan McNabb

Solid
Matthew Stafford
Michael Vick
Tony Romo
Joe Flacco
Jay Cutler
Kyle Orton
Sam Bradford
Josh Freeman
Vince Young
Carson Palmer
Mark Sanchez
Matt Hasselbeck
Colt McCoy
Ryan Fitzpatrick

Back Up
Chad Henne
Matt Cassel
David Garrard
Jason Campbell
Alex Smith

Poor
Derek Anderson
Matt Moore

Much and all as I like Rodgers, and dislike Favre, not sure Aaron has done anything near enough to be picked in the same category. I also think that Favre should be in the elite category, miles ahead of Brees, Roethlisberger and others. It wasn't always dainty or flawless, he only has the one SB ring...but the man redefined mental and physical toughness in the modern game. He turned a franchise on its head. All those records?

Dohnny Jepp

Elite
Derek Anderson
Matt Moore

Excellent
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Colt McCoy
Matt Cassel
David Garrard
Jason Campbell
Alex Smith

Very Good
Matthew Stafford
Sam Bradford
Josh Freeman
Vince Young
Joe Flacco
Michael Vick
Tony Romo
Jay Cutler
Carson Palmer
Chad Henne
Mark Sanchez
Kyle Orton
Matt Hasselbeck

Solid

Philip Rivers
Donovan McNabb
Eli Manning
Matt Schaub
Matt Ryan

Back Up
Ben Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees

Poor
Brett Favre
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady

Chucky the tree

How are people putting Philip Rivers on the same level as Matt Ryan, Donovan McNabb, Eli Manning and Matt Schuab?

Peyton Manning

Chucky the tree wrote: »

How are people putting Philip Rivers on the same level as Matt Ryan, Donovan McNabb, Eli Manning and Matt Schuab?

Lack of levels.

I wouldn't put Rivers on the same level as Big Ben and Favre because of what they've done in the game (I did put Rodgers, but I explained why and that was my own choice). So if he's going to be a level below Roethlisberger and Favre, it has to be Very Good. At the same time, Eli, Schaub, McNabb and Ryan are too good for "Solid" so they have to go under Very Good too. Ideally, there should be a "Good" level between Very Good and Solid, as to me, Solid suggests they get the job done but you could do a lot better. But as I said, lack of levels.

It would be more decisive to just rank them out of 10, starting with the highest scoring and working down.

Leslie91

Chucky the tree wrote: »

How are people putting Philip Rivers on the same level as Matt Ryan, Donovan McNabb, Eli Manning and Matt Schuab?

I'm assuming by this you are meaning they should be on a level below Rivers.

I don't care what anybody says but no way can Rivers and Schaub be in the same sentence. As for Matt Ryan, meh, too early to judge. Eli, not gonna go there.

Leslie91

Archimedes wrote: »

Well I knew the Rivers vs Rodgers debate would probably surface first, and it was difficult putting them into two separate groups. All I went on was that from what I've seen, Rodgers looks to have that little bit more to his game and strikes me as the more clutch QB of the two. I just think he's a very special QB in the making. I'd be happier with Rodgers as my QB than I would with Rivers, lets put it that way, and I like Rivers. He's just hampered by some very poor coaching so there's every chance he could move up to the next level.

Huh?. Norv Turner is probably one of the best QB groomers in NFL history. Rivers stats are off the charts. What are u on about?. Seriously.

tommyboyle

Rivers is approaching elite. Look what he is doing in sd. Incredible numbers and he has been doing it for years. Lack of super bowl cant go that much against him because marino is one of the best of all time. By the way rivers is about to smash his all time yards record. McNabb is at best a 'solid' quarterback right now. I dont see how he is that much of an improvement over campbell. He is starting to look pretty good in oakland. And how is the qb with the best rating in the solid category? Has he lost a game he has started and finished yet? Is it his high interception number?

Hammar

Elite
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Philip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger

Excellent
Brett Favre
Aaron Rodgers

Very Good
Donovan McNabb
Eli Manning
Matt Ryan
Kyle Orton


Solid
Matt Schaub
Michael Vick
Tony Romo
Joe Flacco
(Big drop off after Flacco)
Jay Cutler
Carson Palmer
Matt Hasselbeck
Matthew Stafford
Sam Bradford
Josh Freeman

Back Up
Vince Young
Matt Cassel
David Garrard
Jason Campbell
Colt McCoy
Mark Sanchez(dont rate him,his supporting cast is outrageous and he is still only average)
Chad Henne(dont rate him either)



Poor
Alex Smith
Derek Anderson
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Matt Moore

Peyton Manning

tommyboyle wrote: »

Rivers is approaching elite. Look what he is doing in sd. Incredible numbers and he has been doing it for years. Lack of super bowl cant go that much against him because marino is one of the best of all time. By the way rivers is about to smash his all time yards record. McNabb is at best a 'solid' quarterback right now. I dont see how he is that much of an improvement over campbell. He is starting to look pretty good in oakland. And how is the qb with the best rating in the solid category? Has he lost a game he has started and finished yet? Is it his high interception number?

He didn't ask about what category they're in now, he asked over the course of their careers. Try reading a post for once.

tommyboyle

Is this list base on this year alone or all time stats. I have to assume all time because if not how are vick and mcnabb not flipflopped

Peyton Manning

tommyboyle wrote: »

Is this list base on this year alone or all time stats. I have to assume all time because if not how are vick and mcnabb not flipflopped

Again, read the OP. It's not hard, just stop trying to make sure every second post in this forum is by you, and read the bloody post.

tommyboyle

Banned for a week - abuse

mikemac

Elite
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees


Excellent
Brett Favre
Philip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger

Very Good
Aaron Rodgers
Eli Manning
Matt Ryan
Kyle Orton
Matt Schaub

Solid
Donovan McNabb
Michael Vick
Tony Romo
Joe Flacco
Jay Cutler
Carson Palmer
Matt Hasselbeck
Matthew Stafford
Sam Bradford
Josh Freeman

Back Up
Vince Young
Matt Cassel
David Garrard
Jason Campbell
Colt McCoy
Mark Sanchez
Chad Henne
Alex Smith
Ryan Fitzpatrick


Poor
Derek Anderson
Matt Moore[/QUOTE]

eagle eye

Its very hard to categorise certain players. For instance if we are talking in the here and now but taking their careers into account its impossible to put Brett Favre into a category. He has been a brilliant QB but I just feel he has gone past it this year. Although to be fair he is suffering with injuries. So I"m going to leave him out.

For me the top group is 3 players.

Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Peyton Manning

Then you have one guy on his own who just doesn't belong in that elite group but he is a proven clutch QB who seems to get it done when it really matters but just seems to have too many bad days to be in that top group. So all on his own.

Ben Roethlisberger

After that there is two QBs who stand out as next in line for me. They got show themselves a bit more in the playoffs to attain a higher standard but they both have the game to be in the elite group.

Phillip Rivers
Aaron Rodgers

Then the group that includes those who can be brilliant but stink up the joint just a little too often for my liking and the guys who need to do it for another season to progress to a higher plain or show us what they can do in the playoffs.

Eli Manning
Donovan McNabb
Kyle Orton
Tony Romo
Matt Ryan
Matt Schaub

For me those are the 12 best QBs in the league. Next then is a list which includes players with question marks. These guys still could go either way and I'll give reasons as to why.

Then there is that group of guys that are doing it but they could blow up at anytime or it could be a case that they have turned the corner. And this is a short list of two.

Vince Young - Well what can you say about the man. He has his personal problems but he is one of the greatest to ever play college ball. He is also a born winner and his record in the pros is really good. For sure he saved Jeff Fisher last year when he came in and turned things around. I think the guy is special and I think he will prove it and hopefully this year if the Patriots are not in the picture.
Michael Vick - Was always a starter but not a good one. Maybe that time behind bars has changed his perspective on things and he might realise the level he always had the ability to attain.

After that I can split up the groups.

This next group are guys that are just frustrating for me or just have a problem with their game that means they can never be top players. They all have the ability but have something that means they never will be in a higher group.

Jay Cutler - Just throws to many bad interceptions
David Garrard - He just has too many bad games
Matt Hasselbeck - Age and injuries have seen this man's career decline before its time.
Carson Palmer - Too many bad throws and holds on to the ball too long too much.
Chad Pennington - Age, injuries and the lack of a big arm mean he will never be the man.

These guys will never be good enough for here on imo. They will be replaced just as soon as their teams find an adequate replacement

Derek Anderson
Jason Campbell
Jake Delhomme
Chad Henne
Matt Moore
Alex Smith

Younger players that its just too early categorise.

Sam Bradford - Been very impressed by him so far. He has lost his best receivers but the guy keeps on performing. I honestly though he wouldn't make it in this league and that a great offensive line really made him look better than he was in college. I thought he would be injury prone in this league but he has taken some big hits without a bother. Having seen him a couple of times this year I'm certain that the Rams have the right man in place to make them serious playoff contenders for many years to come.

Colt McCoy - Rookie who has looked good since getting his opportunity. Could be anything. I like him and imo he is the Brett Favre gunslinger type, loads of talent but there is always the danger of the big mistake. I think he will have a big career though.

Mark Sanchez - He still has question marks surrounding him but to be fair the system he is playing in does not help him. I'm still undecided about him but the Jets are the type of organisation that will replace him quickly if he is ever deemed to have cost them a big playoff game. You don't get second chances with that organisation very often. Still for some reason I think he will be a starter his whole career. He may need a move or a different offensive philosophy to fulfill his potential.

Matthew Stafford - This guy has all the talent in the world. Problem for this kid is injuries. If these injuries persist then he will be out of a job in another couple of years one way or the other. Injuries add up and slow players down which is on thing but the other thing is that somebody who is out a lot cannot be depended on so teams don't like to have a starter like that. They can't build their offense around somebody that will not stay fit.

Joe Flacco - Flacco is one of those guys that just looks like he should be a solid starter but then you see him when pressured and he looks awful at times. Personally I don't think he will ever be the man. The Ravens have been patient with him and it looked like working out this year but what I seen last night was a guy that needs too long to find the open target. In replays of last nights game I seen Boldin(who should be at worst the second look he takes) wide open waving his arms on three occasions and Flacco never seen him. I seen Ray Rice open a bunch of times where he could have dumped off a short pass but he didn't see him or was looking for something better when it was clear that he didn't have long. I think you will see the guy getting benched next year at some stage. He mixes the sublime with the horrendous just too much for my liking and for sure if they make the playoffs this year and he fails like he did last year he is gone.

Josh Freeman - The very much unheralded third QB to get picked in the 2009 draft class has looked good this year. I like his style too, he is a kind of cross between Big Ben and another great favourite of mine Steve McNair RIP. He is exciting to watch and I think he will be around for a long time.

Jimmy Clausen - I though for sure he was made to be a success in the NFL. So far though he has looked like a deer in the headlights when given the start. He is still young though and an intelligent guy. He needs to get to know his playbook and his receivers better and it could still work out. But from what I've seen so far I'm worried for his future

And finally

Matt Cassel - He is hard to categorise. Its only his second year as a starter with the Chiefs and he has been better this season. I don't think his job is in any danger at this time. I'm interested to see how things go for him over the next while now that he has a good coach over there in Charlie Weis. I honestly expect that next season will define him, Weis will have had a year with him and time to work on anything he thinks will make him better.

Syferus

Archimedes wrote: »

Again, read the OP. It's not hard, just stop trying to make sure every second post in this forum is by you, and read the bloody post.

Wow. Calm down, man.

bobby wade

Nice to see Orton ranking well he wouldn't have even last season

davyjose

If Brett Favre -- holder of every major career record -- isn't elite, over the course of his career, then I must have a fcuking hole in my head tbh.

We're fortunate enough to be in an era when probably 3 of the ten best QB's of all time are playing, and that makes them elite. Favre is one of those QB's.

Brees is undoubtedly better now. But I have to put Favre ahead of Brees because he has been doing it for so long. To put Brees' body of work over Favre's is madness.

Chucky the tree

Favre isn't top 10 when it comes to QB skills. Toughness and longevity he isthough, doesn't make him one of the top 10 QB's of all time though. Give me rings over stats any day.

davyjose

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Favre isn't top 10 when it comes to QB skills. Toughness and longevity he isthough, doesn't make him one of the top 10 QB's of all time though. Give me rings over stats any day.

More than 1 man on a team, Chucky. So your top 2 would be Brady and Roethlisberger?

Pherekydes

davyjose wrote: »

If Brett Favre -- holder of every major career record -- isn't elite, over the course of his career, then I must have a fcuking hole in my head tbh.

We're fortunate enough to be in an era when probably 3 of the ten best QB's of all time are playing, and that makes them elite. Favre is one of those QB's.

Brees is undoubtedly better now. But I have to put Favre ahead of Brees because he has been doing it for so long. To put Brees' body of work over Favre's is madness.

+1.

He was league MVP 3 times. Winning rings requires a great team and some luck. Trent Dilfer (elite QB) has one. Dan Marino (good or maybe very good) does not.

Chucky the tree

davyjose wrote: »

More than 1 man on a team, Chucky. So your top 2 would be Brady and Roethlisberger?

Brady is number 1, then Manning. IF Manning was to finish his career with just one ring then I'd reconsider how high I rate him.

Justin10

My rankings on QBs right now not what they have done years ago.
I would have Brady in a group in between Elite and Excellent. I just dont think he is where he was. (Prob being stupid)

Elite
Peyton Manning
Philip Rivers
Drew Brees

Excellent
Tom Brady
Ben Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers

Very Good
Eli Manning
Brett Favre
Matt Schaub
Matt Ryan

Solid
Matthew Stafford
Michael Vick
Donovan McNabb
Tony Romo
Joe Flacco
Jay Cutler
Kyle Orton
Sam Bradford
Josh Freeman
Vince Young
Carson Palmer
Mark Sanchez
Matt Hasselbeck

Back Up
Chad Henne
Matt Cassel
David Garrard
Jason Campbell
Colt McCoy
Derek Anderson

Poor
Matt Moore
Alex Smith
Ryan Fitzpatrick

davyjose

Chucky the tree wrote: »

IF Manning was to finish his career with just one ring then I'd reconsider how high I rate him.

See this is what I don't get. You're either as good as you are, or you're not. Championships have no bearing on your actual ability.

John Elway was nowhere near his best when he won his 2 rings, do you really think winning these made him a better QB?

eagle eye

davyjose wrote: »

See this is what I don't get. You're either as good as you are, or you're not. Championships have no bearing on your actual ability.

John Elway was nowhere near his best when he won his 2 rings, do you really think winning these made him a better QB?

John Elway had his 1st and 4th best seasons by QB rating in his last 2 years. He also threw for his fourth best yardage total in his second last season.

Thats regular seasons numbers by the way.

davyjose

eagle eye wrote: »

John Elway had his 1st and 4th best seasons by QB rating in his last 2 years. He also threw for his fourth best yardage total in his second last season.

Thats regular seasons numbers by the way.

He also had easily his best team those years. Hence the rings. Fair enough, I caught myself out there. But it doesn't really disprove my point: Elway probably wasn't better ability-wise. He just had a better team.

As good as he (this goes for anybody) was at the role of QB, it's not tied to how many rings he won. He certainly wasn't any better than when he dragged his team through the playoffs in 1990.

Same as Brady. Brady wasn't better in 2001 than he was in 2007. but he didn't win the ring in 2007. That, IMO, is why you can't judge a player on rings. It really is a team sport.

spiralism

Added a few extra tiers to clear the picture up

Elite
Brett Favre
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Philip Rivers

Excellent
Ben Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady

Very Good
Donovan McNabb
Eli Manning
Joe Flacco
Kyle Orton

Good
Matt Schaub
Michael Vick
Tony Romo
Vince Young
Matt Ryan
Mark Sanchez

Solid

Matthew Stafford (injury and turnover prone but that could be down to a bad offensive line)
Sam Bradford (will probably move up but not played enough yet to warrant it)
Josh Freeman
Jason Campbell (past 3 weeks move him up to this level)
Colt McCoy (probably same as bradford)

Serviceable

Jay Cutler (way too many picks and bad decisions, is a lousy leader and holds on to the ball far too long)
Matt Hasselbeck (injuries, road form)
Matt Cassel
David Garrard (inconsistent)
Chad Henne


Poor
Alex Smith
Derek Anderson
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Matt Moore
Carson Palmer (nowadays, he sucks now tbh, offence loaded with talent and playing dire)

eagle eye

spiralism wrote: »

Added a few extra tiers to clear the picture up

Elite

Brett Favre
Philip Rivers

Excellent

Tom Brady

:rolleyes:

spiralism

eagle eye wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Brady's very borderline but the 4 under elite are just unbelievable

Favre - holds nearly every record
Manning - is the difference between the colts going 12-4 every year and going 4-12
Brees - absolute force of nature when he goes off and turned a scrub franchise into a powerhouse when he became QB
Rivers - is a slightly watered down version of manning imo, he has a phenomenal arm, great leader and can put the numbers up with any aul eejit as receiver. Also the difference between SD being a playoff contender and average.

Brady imo hasnt been the same since his knee injury in 08 (though very good) and often was on great teams with an absolute genius of a coach to boot, which is why i put him on the next tier with 2 other class QBs in Rodgers and Ben. He's still unreal and its very close between putting him under excellent or elite...

the QBs under excellent are still technically elite anyways but i classed them separately because both Brady and Ben have had great teams and genius coaches around them their whole careers while Rodgers has only played 2 full seasons. at least 3 of the QBs under elite win in any situation really, and Favre is holder of all the records and an absolute nailed on HOFer. That's the distinction.

eagle eye

spiralism wrote: »

Brady's very borderline but the 4 under elite are just unbelievable

Favre - holds nearly every record
Manning - is the difference between the colts going 12-4 every year and going 4-12
Brees - absolute force of nature when he goes off and turned a scrub franchise into a powerhouse when he became QB
Rivers - is a slightly watered down version of manning imo, he has a phenomenal arm, great leader and can put the numbers up with any aul eejit as receiver. Also the difference between SD being a playoff contender and average.

Brady imo hasnt been the same since his knee injury in 08 (though very good) and often was on great teams with an absolute genius of a coach to boot, which is why i put him on the next tier with 2 other class QBs in Rodgers and Ben. He's still unreal and its very close between putting him under excellent or elite...

the QBs under excellent are still technically elite anyways but i classed them separately because both Brady and Ben have had great teams and genius coaches around them their whole careers while Rodgers has only played 2 full seasons. at least 3 of the QBs under elite win in any situation really, and Favre is holder of all the records and an absolute nailed on HOFer. That's the distinction.

:rolleyes:

Dohnny Jepp

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Brady is number 1, then Manning. IF Manning was to finish his career with just one ring then I'd reconsider how high I rate him.

LOL. Possibly the most stupid comment I've read on these forums, and I've read the posts from BigDoaf and TomBrady.

So you think he is top 2 in the league at QB at this time but if he was to maintain his current forum and retires without more rings then suddenly he is a worse QB?

Just lol.

Also you might have NFl confused with boxing? or some other sport where it's 1 v1.

eagle eye

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

LOL. Possibly the most stupid comment I've read on these forums, and I've read the posts from BigDoaf and TomBrady.

So you think he is top 2 in the league at QB at this time but if he was to maintain his current forum and retires without more rings then suddenly he is a worse QB?

Just lol.

Also you might have NFl confused with boxing? or some other sport where it's 1 v1.

Possibly the most stupid comment I've read on these forums.

Syferus

Careful. Brady is part-god on these forums - any suggestion he's slipping is paramount to telling a five-year-old that Santa isn't real and their parents are just very good at sneaking into your room and stealing their baby teeth from under their pillow, at the same time.

eagle eye

Syferus wrote: »

Careful. Brady is part-god on these forums - any suggestion he's slipping is paramount to telling a five-year-old that Santa isn't real and their parents are just very good at sneaking into your room and stealing their baby teeth from under their pillow, at the same time.

Well if you put up any facts to back up your opinion you would get some respect but you didn't and the reason for that is you can't because there is none. Brady had the second best regular season of his career going by numbers in 2009 the year after his injury.

He has lead a team to a 6-2 record so far this season, thats joint top of the NFL. And thats without a good receiving corp.

Syferus

Case in point!

Dohnny Jepp

eagle eye wrote: »

Well if you put up any facts to back up your opinion you would get some respect but you didn't and the reason for that is you can't because there is none. Brady had the second best regular season of his career going by numbers in 2009 the year after his injury.

He has lead a team to a 6-2 record so far this season, thats joint top of the NFL. And thats without a good receiving corp.

The **** are you on about. How do you decide the criteria for who gets respect. And just maybe not everyone is posting here to have their ego stroked.

eagle eye

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

The **** are you on about. How do you decide the criteria for who gets respect. And just maybe not everyone is posting here to have their ego stroked.

Well somebody that insults a long time poster by saying his posts are the most stupid he has ever read and even more stupid than BigDoaf's or TomBrady's is certainly not going to get any respect.

You seemed like a decent lad before so I'm hoping you are drunk or something.

eagle eye

Syferus wrote: »

Case in point!

No the problem is you come up with something stupid that you can't back up.

Syferus

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