Breaking 60mins for 10miles

tisnotover

No, its not Village Runners training log (but it could be!)

Figured a thread on this might be useful. The Spring 10mile series isn't too far away and a lot of us will be be trying to break the 60min milestone.

So, to get things going, I'm gonna ask for those who already have done it, what are the training sessions that you think helped the most?

tunney

tisnotover wrote: »

No, its not Village Runners training log (but it could be!)

Figured a thread on this might be useful. The Spring 10mile series isn't too far away and a lot of us will be be trying to break the 60min milestone.

So, to get things going, I'm gonna ask for those who already have done it, what are the training sessions that you think helped the most?

Did it a few years ago. Just ran 30-45km a week, mix of long, easy and steady.
Also prepared for pain and ran 57 in the park. Sufferfest but someone had told me not to run with them as they'd be too fast for me, so I had to beat them.

BeepBeep67

Ran 58 something many years ago when I stepped up from training with the Juvs to training with the Seniors.
For me at the time it was the additional mileage and once per week there was a 10-12 mile out and back with the club which nearly always ended up as a 5k time trial for the last few miles. I think that session replicated race fatigue.

Woddle

Here's a log from racing flat that's well worth a read. One of the first logs I read.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055224449

ecoli

Ran 58 split on the way to my half marathon time this year

On top of upping my mileage from what i was used to, the key components to my training were:

Tempo based sessions/ AT sessions:
These were sessions based on half Marathon pace and progressed as my training plan went on:
5 x 1 mile w/ 1-2 min recovery
2 x 2 mile w/ 3 min recovery
3 x 2 mile w/ 3 min recovery
2 x 3 mile w/ 3-4 min recovery
3 x 3 mile w/ 3-4 min recovery

They were the biggest element of my training though Tempo runs of 5 miles were thrown in every couple of weeks to replace this session

Hills

These were long hills with the reps and duration lengthening as the traiing plan went on:

5-8 x 2 min hills
4-8 x 3 min hills

Long runs

These were around 90 min - 1.45 and every couple of weeks were done on a very hilly course

Krusty_Clown

I narrowly missed out recently (so not a success story!) by two seconds, when I had a crippling stitch in the finishing straight. Just thought that I'd add that I ran the race as part of marathon training, rather than 10 mile specific training, so that is an alternative option, as the marathon sessions lend themselves very much towards 10 mile training. Specifically:
1) Long slow runs up to 20-22 miles
2) Tempo sessions at 6 min/mile (started with 3 miles, 4, 5, 6 and eventually 7 miles at that pace, which turned out be pretty much PMP sessions).
3) Intervals at 5k pace

seanynova

good idea for a thread!
hope it takes off and there is good input....will have a go at getting close to 60mins myself in ballycotton but can commit to anything yet.....

best of luck with the training!

Peckham

tisnotover wrote: »

The Spring 10mile series isn't too far away and a lot of us will be be trying to break the 60min milestone.

This is the next target for me, and I'm reading Daniels at the moment to figure out a strong training plan.

Which races would be good targets for this in late February or early-March, which is when I'd be thinking of having a crack at it? Ballycotton isn't an option for me, and would rather not have to travel too far from Dublin.

tisnotover

Peckham wrote: »

This is the next target for me, and I'm reading Daniels at the moment to figure out a strong training plan.

Which races would be good targets for this in late February or early-March, which is when I'd be thinking of having a crack at it? Ballycotton isn't an option for me, and would rather not have to travel too far from Dublin.

Must give Daniels another read, I see it mentioned in a good few threads lately. I got a loan of "The Completed Runner's Handbook" which is a pretty good read to, worth a look!

I know there is a 10miler in Galway either the week before or same day as Ballycotton ? Dungarvan is the last week in Jan. Don't know much more apart from those! Best of luck with training! :-)

Gringo78

tisnotover wrote: »

Must give Daniels another read, I see it mentioned in a good few threads lately. I got a loan of "The Completed Runner's Handbook" which is a pretty good read to, worth a look!

I know there is a 10miler in Galway either the week before or same day as Ballycotton ? Dungarvan is the last week in Jan. Don't know much more apart from those! Best of luck with training! :-)

Craughwell AC 10 miler. Got very good reviews after it's inaugural run last year. Very accessible with motorway from Dublin. Likely to be on March 13th if they stick with last years date.

Seres

Gringo78 wrote: »

Craughwell AC 10 miler. Got very good reviews after it's inaugural run last year. Very accessible with motorway from Dublin. Likely to be on March 13th if they stick with last years date.

def plan on doin this one 2011 , have it penciled in if i ever get out of this injury !

pgibbo

Gringo78 wrote: »

Craughwell AC 10 miler. Got very good reviews after it's inaugural run last year. Very accessible with motorway from Dublin. Likely to be on March 13th if they stick with last years date.

I did the Craughwell 10 last year and it was really well organised. I'll be doing it again next year all going well.

mrak

Gringo78 wrote: »

Craughwell AC 10 miler. Got very good reviews after it's inaugural run last year. Very accessible with motorway from Dublin. Likely to be on March 13th if they stick with last years date.

hi folks, the craughwell 10 miler will be on the 20th March this year - 3 weeks after BallyC - just waiting for the aai agm meeting tomorrow night to confirm date, cheers! M. On training for a good 10-miler - just train for a fast 10k but take your long runs up to 15 miles.

Gringo78

mrak wrote: »

hi folks, the craughwell 10 miler will be on the 20th March this year - 3 weeks after BallyC - just waiting for the aai agm meeting tomorrow night to confirm date, cheers! M. On training for a good 10-miler - just train for a fast 10k but take your long runs up to 15 miles.

Ballycotton 10 is on March 6th this year, 2 weeks before Craughwell 10

mrak

Gringo78 wrote: »

Ballycotton 10 is on March 6th this year, 2 weeks before Craughwell 10

thanks!

Sosa

One of my big aims for early next year....
Ran 59:53 for 9.95m at the run for life a few weeks back....

Tempos...@ 6mm and 800's at 5:30p along with 3 half marathons the last 3 weeks all under 90 mins on my own should be enough to get me sub 80 at the waterford half and hopefully under a legitimate 10m route in Dungarvan.

Oh yeah...hill repeats ( when i get the chance )
McMillan swears by them for 10m and half's

Heres a Q...whats easier

A sub 60 min 10m or a sub 80m half.....6:00p and 6:06p

Burgman

Sosa wrote: »

Heres a Q...whats easier

A sub 60 min 10m or a sub 80m half.....6:00p and 6:06p

I tried for two years shaving part of a minute here and there and eventually got under the hour for 10 miles, a great thrill at my age. I have found two 79 minute half marathons just a bit easier. However, I think an important factor is the course and the weather. There are not too many of either race so you have Ballycotton 10 (tough course) in 2009 (favourable wind) with better times than in 2010 (unfavourable wind). National half 2010 in Crettyard - horrendous course on hot day - poor times. So, pick your target race carefully too!

Sosa

Burgman wrote: »

I tried for two years shaving part of a minute here and there and eventually got under the hour for 10 miles, a great thrill at my age. I have found two 79 minute half marathons just a bit easier. However, I think an important factor is the course and the weather. There are not too many of either race so you have Ballycotton 10 (tough course) in 2009 (favourable wind) with better times than in 2010 (unfavourable wind). National half 2010 in Crettyard - horrendous course on hot day - poor times. So, pick your target race carefully too!

I would have to agree...a sub 80 half is more doable alright.
The 10m i did was a tough course,the half route is favourable but god only knows what the weather will be like on the day.

I would imagine most people would think the same

marchino

tisnotover wrote: »

No, its not Village Runners training log (but it could be!)

Figured a thread on this might be useful. The Spring 10mile series isn't too far away and a lot of us will be be trying to break the 60min milestone.

So, to get things going, I'm gonna ask for those who already have done it, what are the training sessions that you think helped the most?

50-60 miles a week of consistancy and plenty of hills.
Hills are speedwork in disguise

Gringo78

Just checked my logs from last Jan-March. I ran 62min in a 10 mile race 7 weeks before running 60:11 in Ballycotton. For the 7 weeks I generally ran 5-6 days per week with 1 tempo and 1 interval session each week. I also did 3x20 mile LSR's in this period (at 7:30-7:50 pace)

Tempos: 6 miles @ HM pace (generally 6:10 - 6:15 pace)
Intervals: Varied between 4x1 miles, 4x2km, 3x1.5 mile all at around 5:55 to 6:05 pace. The rest of my running was all easy 7:30-8:00 pace but always on hilly routes.

I increased the mileage from average 25mpw before the 62min 10 miler to avg 40mpw before Ballycotton - I think this did make a difference even though the extra mileage was just down to the LSR's rather than any change to the tempo/intervals. I had done no running whatsoever at a pace faster than 5:55 per mile which looking back on it wasn't the brightest but I was actually trying to balance marathon training with 10 miler training with the marathon being priority number 1.

If I was to redo it I would alternate the intervals with faster stuff every second week.

Gringo78

tunney wrote: »

Did it a few years ago. Just ran 30-45km a week, mix of long, easy and steady.
Also prepared for pain and ran 57 in the park. Sufferfest but someone had told me not to run with them as they'd be too fast for me, so I had to beat them.

Were you also cycling and swimming at the same time Tunney? 45km a week is about 3-3.5hrs running a week - how many hours would you have also swam and run?

tisnotover

Gringo78 wrote: »

Just checked my logs from last Jan-March. I ran 62min in a 10 mile race 7 weeks before running 60:11 in Ballycotton. For the 7 weeks I generally ran 5-6 days per week with 1 tempo and 1 interval session each week. I also did 3x20 mile LSR's in this period (at 7:30-7:50 pace)

Tempos: 6 miles @ HM pace (generally 6:10 - 6:15 pace)
Intervals: Varied between 4x1 miles, 4x2km, 3x1.5 mile all at around 5:55 to 6:05 pace. The rest of my running was all easy 7:30-8:00 pace but always on hilly routes.

I increased the mileage from average 25mpw before the 62min 10 miler to avg 40mpw before Ballycotton - I think this did make a difference even though the extra mileage was just down to the LSR's rather than any change to the tempo/intervals. I had done no running whatsoever at a pace faster than 5:55 per mile which looking back on it wasn't the brightest but I was actually trying to balance marathon training with 10 miler training with the marathon being priority number 1.

If I was to redo it I would alternate the intervals with faster stuff every second week.

Thanks Gringo, I'm struggling to hit even 25miles/wk at moment, but I'm not too worried...yet! If I can be consistent with the Tues nite session (e.g. 4*2km) intervals for next while, then I'll be happy enuf, I'm good enough about keeping a longish run going at wknds. I hope to aim for 61/62mins in Dungarvan, and to step up mileage like you did then for Ballycotton.

One session I read in your log was when ya did 6miles straight at 6:00/6:05 pace, if I got there, it'd be good confidence!

Gringo78

tisnotover wrote: »

Thanks Gringo, I'm struggling to hit even 25miles/wk at moment, but I'm not too worried...yet! If I can be consistent with the Tues nite session (e.g. 4*2km) intervals for next while, then I'll be happy enuf, I'm good enough about keeping a longish run going at wknds. I hope to aim for 61/62mins in Dungarvan, and to step up mileage like you did then for Ballycotton.

One session I read in your log was when ya did 6miles straight at 6:00/6:05 pace, if I got there, it'd be good confidence!

Hit 6:06 pace for 10k tempo 2 weeks before BallyC. That was only once though, I was normally doing 6:10-6:15 so I'd say once you get you get 6:10 pace you'd be fine. I'd try 2x2.5 miles at 6:00 pace on alternate weeks maybe.

Don't worry about the low mileage....as long as it's quality. Only hitting around 20mpw myself at the moment but will prob be in a position work wise to start ramping it up in 2 weeks time. Will start getting track sessions in also for first time ever!

seanynova

this is good thread for the tips! sound advice...

i started back running this week but have exams coming up so not sure if ill get out much....all my running is on the track for now (boring) but is on college grounds and its dark when i leave so just as handy to do 4m on the track that out of the roads....
plan to do tempo sessions, intervals, reps and a "long" run of 10miles when i can.

racing isint looking to good for mallow or even dungarvan, but like TNO, ill be aiming for 62/61 there...and hopefully push on to get close to 60mins in ballycotton, but not to put too much pressure on the time as long as i keep getting PB's in the 3 races ill be happy, and maybe a T-shirt from ballycotton

asimonov

I've done both recently enough in training, so can't claim them as PB's. I found 5k / 10k pace training great, mixing 3k/5k pace work with hills and longer 10k pace intervals and doing a weekly mileage of about 45miles per week. Once that block was over, the intensity dropped but mileage increased to 60 - 65 per week or so all of a sudden 6min mile pace felt comfortable compared to the earlier faster intervals. The workouts that i felt the most beneficial mentally were mixed pace tempos of about 50' - 60' alternating between threshold and marathon pace.

seanynova

since i dont have a log anymore, ill post here as its similar to my goal....

did a few faster runs recently, 10x400m repititions, 4x1200m VO2max intervals and a 6x1m tempo session.....

as always, i have a thing about heart rates!!!, my half marathon race HR averages at 180bpm, which i guess is something similar to my 10m race HR?
i train around paces(not HR) but i notice my HR for the above runs are like this:

10x400m reps(full recovery) max HR varied per rep at 179-187, but most around max184bpm
4x1200m intervals(3:30min recovery) max HR per rep 182/184/183/184
6x1m tempo (1min recovery) avHR 177-178....

i just feel its kind of weird that i can run at an average of 180bmp for almost an hour and a half and yet coming to the end of a 400m rep, i shagged even though my HR is only 184bpm max....

anyway, hopefully after exams ill be able to get the mileage up also push on with a faster tempo pace for the 10m series!

PaudieMac

Why not run the Mallow AC 10 mile road race.
It on on the 09th of January and it a flat fast course.
There will be 60, 70 & 80 minute pacers at it.
It should help anybody looking for a bit of help getting over the line in sub 60.

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/pages/Mallow-10-mile-road-race/116593411737274

Paudie

village runner

PaudieMac wrote: »

Why not run the Mallow AC 10 mile road race.
It on on the 09th of January and it a flat fast course.
There will be 60, 70 & 80 minute pacers at it.
It should help anybody looking for a bit of help getting over the line in sub 60.

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/pages/Mallow-10-mile-road-race/116593411737274

Paudie

very interesting...........Hope to break 60 myself so will be interesting to professional pacers at work. But they will have to earn my trust over the first two miles. But how many runners will run between 59.40 and 60 min. Would more people not be running 65 min ? Great idea. Never used a pacer myself. I TRUST MYSELF.But we will see.

village runner

PaudieMac wrote: »

Why not run the Mallow AC 10 mile road race.
It on on the 09th of January and it a flat fast course.
There will be 60, 70 & 80 minute pacers at it.
It should help anybody looking for a bit of help getting over the line in sub 60.

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/pages/Mallow-10-mile-road-race/116593411737274

Paudie

very interesting
will have to earn my trust.

Gringo78

village runner wrote: »

very interesting...........Hope to break 60 myself so will be interesting to professional pacers at work. But they will have to earn my trust over the first two miles. But how many runners will run between 59.40 and 60 min. Would more people not be running 65 min ? Great idea. Never used a pacer myself. I TRUST MYSELF.But we will see.

Not many would be running on the cusp of sub 60 in Mallow I'd say...so you could well have a personal pacer if you stuck with him until 4 or 5 miles in. I could have done with a pacer in ballycotton around miles 6,7,8 where i ended up doing all the work on my own. Twould be nice to get sub 60 out of the way in mallow so could race a bit free-er in Dungarvan & Ballycotton.

dermCu

I'm not being harsh here but do you guys really need a pacer for a sub 60 min 10 miler? Unless the weather is bad or the course is really up and down whats the point? Just lash in 10 sub 6 m/m

Personally I'd alaway prefer to trust my own judgment.
If you screw it up then you learn somthing and you dont make that mistake again. I'm not knocking pacers but most of the guys reading this thread and attempting a sub 60 are relativly experienced - you guys should know what this kind of pace 'feels' like.

Trust your own judgment and all the hard work you've put in to get you there in the first place and it'll be all the sweeter.

Gringo78

dermCu wrote: »

I'm not being harsh here but do you guys really need a pacer for a sub 60 min 10 miler? Unless the weather is bad or the course is really up and down whats the point? Just lash in 10 sub 6 m/m

Personally I'd alaway prefer to trust my own judgment.
If you screw it up then you learn somthing and you dont make that mistake again. I'm not knocking pacers but most of the guys reading this thread and attempting a sub 60 are relativly experienced - you guys should know what this kind of pace 'feels' like.

Trust your own judgment and all the hard work you've put in to get you there in the first place and it'll be all the sweeter.

You're right, but if theres going to be pacer there, why not use it?

However, I think its opening up a can of worms....I don't see anything wrong with pacers in big city marathons where theres plenty of people to draft off anyway, but I think running behind a pacer in a 10 mile race does call into question could you have done the sub 60 without the pacer? For example, if you ran sub 3 in connemara behind a pacer (hypothetical - there are no pacers in connemara so far as I know) I'd question whether you could do it without a pacer, with the numbers that run connemarathon you'd have to do most of the running on your own.

seanynova

Gringo78 wrote: »

You're right, but if theres going to be pacer there, why not use it?

However, I think its opening up a can of worms....I don't see anything wrong with pacers in big city marathons where theres plenty of people to draft off anyway, but I think running behind a pacer in a 10 mile race does call into question could you have done the sub 60 without the pacer? For example, if you ran sub 3 in connemara behind a pacer (hypothetical - there are no pacers in connemara so far as I know) I'd question whether you could do it without a pacer, with the numbers that run connemarathon you'd have to do most of the running on your own.

thats a fair point, i think it makes a huge difference if running near someone/in a group than on your own...even one person running along side you will make you run faster/hold pace for longer, whatever way you want to look at it.....(not talking about drafting though, just physcoligically benifits)

but also gringo, dont worry about getting sub 60mins done ealy in the season so you can have a proper cut of dungarvan/ballycotton....just run the best you can in each and see what you get.....its not the same as the cork marathon, and there is 10miles a plenty that can all be ran from the same block of training....how is the training goin for you anyway?

Gringo78

seanynova wrote: »

but also gringo, dont worry about getting sub 60mins done ealy in the season so you can have a proper cut of dungarvan/ballycotton....just run the best you can in each and see what you get.....its not the same as the cork marathon, and there is 10miles a plenty that can all be ran from the same block of training....how is the training goin for you anyway?

Yeah, you're right. I'm actually not too worried about hitting the sub 60 target and will likely aim for maybe even sub 59 in Dungarvan and hopefully better again in Ballycotton.

Training is very low mileage at the moment and weather not helping but still in good shape. Not going to run waterford half now as was sick for last week so not in really in shape to do HM justice at the moment so will skip it.

seanynova

Gringo78 wrote: »

Yeah, you're right. I'm actually not too worried about hitting the sub 60 target and will likely aim for maybe even sub 59 in Dungarvan and hopefully better again in Ballycotton.

Training is very low mileage at the moment and weather not helping but still in good shape. Not going to run waterford half now as was sick for last week so not in really in shape to do HM justice at the moment so will skip it.

nice target! would love to be in that shape also but im a year away for that id say
doing 30mpw myself but, not great running, cant seam to hold a decent tempo pace, i think its in the head to be honest, cos reps and intervals are going well....might try traning with a club?

your better off not to run the half, it might set you back if you were sick and mallow is only around the corner! hope the roads clear and we can all get back on track!

Gringo78

seanynova wrote: »

nice target! would love to be in that shape also but im a year away for that id say
doing 30mpw myself but, not great running, cant seam to hold a decent tempo pace, i think its in the head to be honest, cos reps and intervals are going well....might try traning with a club?

your better off not to run the half, it might set you back if you were sick and mallow is only around the corner! hope the roads clear and we can all get back on track!

Ah, don't sell yourself short....I'm sure you could run sub 60 in Mallow so sub 59 in Dungarvan or Ballycotton would be the natural next step.

Tempo pace is a bit in the head really I think....if the intervals are going well I wouldn't worry, just have a good rest before attempting a hard tempo and endure the pain.

seanynova

Gringo78 wrote: »

Ah, don't sell yourself short....I'm sure you could run sub 60 in Mallow so sub 59 in Dungarvan or Ballycotton would be the natural next step.

Tempo pace is a bit in the head really I think....if the intervals are going well I wouldn't worry, just have a good rest before attempting a hard tempo and endure the pain.

if the timing of mallow was better (exams/christmas/weather) i think id get close, but even sub 61 is quick but a good bit away from sub60 in reality...sure ill see how i go anyway, ballycotton although is the least favourable course (plus bottleneck start) is the target as it gives me 14weeks....perfect timing!

im sure you will give all 3 races a good shake either way so sub59 is well on for you in all 3 with your natural pace....anyway, i hope for your sake, that for each race, you will run faster than the previous...

SWL

Peckham wrote: »

This is the next target for me, and I'm reading Daniels at the moment to figure out a strong training plan.

Which races would be good targets for this in late February or early-March, which is when I'd be thinking of having a crack at it? Ballycotton isn't an option for me, and would rather not have to travel too far from Dublin.

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Hi, I too have purchased Jack Daniels running formula, presently doing the 5K -15K training program, which I am enjoying, however despite reading the book serval times I am a little confused about the tempo runs and the interval runs.

Daniels says that each session has a single purpose; however I don’t run my tempo runs flat out. Last night I did a 40min tempo run, I should have run approx 7.20pm, that fluctuated between 7.20 – 7.30 as I didn’t want to go flat out to active the 7.20 is my interpretation correct? Or should I do the tempo runs flat out which hopefully will make me faster. I am asking because if runners are hoping for a sub 60 and run their tempos at 6pm pace I assume they are going all out. Daniel’s talks about a consistent pace to build lactate acid over time rather than in surges?

Personally I have found the tempo runs very useful as I had never done them before and it makes sense to run at race pace for longer periods.

ecoli

SWL wrote: »

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Hi, I too have purchased Jack Daniels running formula, presently doing the 5K -15K training program, which I am enjoying, however despite reading the book serval times I am a little confused about the tempo runs and the interval runs.

Daniels says that each session has a single purpose; however I don’t run my tempo runs flat out. Last night I did a 40min tempo run, I should have run approx 7.20pm, that fluctuated between 7.20 – 7.30 as I didn’t want to go flat out to active the 7.20 is my interpretation correct? Or should I do the tempo runs flat out which hopefully will make me faster. I am asking because if runners are hoping for a sub 60 and run their tempos at 6pm pace I assume they are going all out. Daniel’s talks about a consistent pace to build lactate acid over time rather than in surges?

Personally I have found the tempo runs very useful as I had never done them before and it makes sense to run at race pace for longer periods.

They say your tempo pace should be somewhere between your 1 hour to half marathon race pace so if you are in 60 min 10 mile shape then your tempo pace should be around the effort you would put in for a flat out 1 hour run. If you cannot hold that pace for atleast an hour then you were prob best of to ease off a little.
There are different levels of tempo (short mid and long depending on your discipline an what the sessions are designed for) but according to Daniels with regard to the 5k - 15k plan that should be roughly the effort you are hitting

PaudieMac

All good valid points about the 60 minute pacer and yep I guess most people who run that type of pace knows there own pace but hey worth a try and if somebody wants to use the pacer then the option is there.
Can only dream about a 60 minute 10 mile myself.
Maybe on a bike.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=113447705356037#!/pages/Mallow-10-mile-road-race/116593411737274

Sosa

Gringo78 wrote: »

Ah, don't sell yourself short....I'm sure you could run sub 60 in Mallow so sub 59 in Dungarvan or Ballycotton would be the natural next step.

Tempo pace is a bit in the head really I think....if the intervals are going well I wouldn't worry, just have a good rest before attempting a hard tempo and endure the pain.

Sub 59 lads....jaysus we didnt even break 60 yet....

Gringo78

Sosa wrote: »

Sub 59 lads....jaysus we didnt even break 60 yet....

Well a 12sec improvement in 10 months is not something I'd be happy with so I won't be targetting 59:59 in my next race, I'll be going for well under that. As seany said, its different than the marathon where you don't get too many shots in a year, you can have a blowout in Jan at a 10 miler and tackle another one a few weeks later.

smmoore79

Any good 10 milers in Dublin area over the next few months? By good I mean flat! The Adidas 1 in Summer is extremely hilly and doesnt lend itself to pb's.

Econoline Van

SWL wrote: »

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Hi, I too have purchased Jack Daniels running formula,
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I'll have to ask for one of those at the bar tonight...

liamo123

Went out with my crew to a local establishment tis afternoon 4 a few hot whiskeys ( not running in this weather so what else is there 2 do ) and got talking to the barman whom my OH knew was a keen runner years ago...

We were talking about running and he happened to mention his BP for 10 miles was 49.26..(he ran it app 20 years ago) I was gobsmacked but he stated that " back them days" there were plenty of club runners able to run around that time or quicker..

Was the standard back then better than now or am I getting carried away with his time?????

Sosa

liamo123 wrote: »

Went out with my crew to a local establishment tis afternoon 4 a few hot whiskeys ( not running in this weather so what else is there 2 do ) and got talking to the barman whom my OH knew was a keen runner years ago...

We were talking about running and he happened to mention his BP for 10 miles was 49.26..(he ran it app 20 years ago) I was gobsmacked but he stated that " back them days" there were plenty of club runners able to run around that time or quicker..

Was the standard back then better than now or am I getting carried away with his time?????

No your right,the standard was way higher back in the 80's....sub 60 back then was the equilavant to sub 70 now.

BeepBeep67

I remember running sub 60 in 85 and don't think I finished in the top 40 in a field with not too much more than 100 in it.

YFlyer

Sosa wrote: »

No your right,the standard was way higher back in the 80's....sub 60 back then was the equilavant to sub 70 now.

Are you saying as much as 10 minutes of a difference? That is huge.

ecoli

YFlyer wrote: »

Are you saying as much as 10 minutes of a difference? That is huge.

1983 had 107 sub 60 runners compared to 71 this year so i woudnt say its as much as that but the level certainly has declined with no sub 50 this year compare to 3 in 83

Here is results for all Ballycotton results down the years

http://www.ballycottonrunning.com/archives/archives.html