If you didnt watch the news, what things would give it away?

SamSamSammy

Without looking at stats too, and unemployment because say you have no mates without a job, say you have no mortgage either.....

how you would notice the recession by walking down a normal street?

c_man

The local wineos have moved down to Devil's Bit from Druids.

aidan_walsh

Cash for Gold shops outnumbering pubs on most streets.

thebigbiffo

you wouldnt...

SamSamSammy

thebigbiffo wrote: »

you wouldnt...

I think that too.

WeeBushy

A lot more for sale/for let signs outside houses, and many more empty shops than normal.

ottostreet

No crowds in pubs/clubs compared to three years ago.

shat apppp about the fricking recessionnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We heard/saw/read your little detail of it the first time.

And the second little detail.

And the third.

And the fourth.

And pretty much a fair few others with a fair few more.

Please, rest it.

The Waltzing Consumer

WeeBushy wrote: »

A lot more for sale/for let signs outside houses, and many more empty shops than normal.

Where are the empty shops? From what I have seen

Jervis Street shopping centre - busy, new shops open, very few if any vacant
Henry Street/Mary Street - Busy, nearly all full
Grafton Street - Busy, nearly all full
Blanchardstown Shopping Centre - Busy nearly all full, new shops still opening
St. Stephens Green - Well, that place is always got vacant spots, celtic tiger or not

Anyone else been in Dundrum/Liffey Valley/Pavilion/Tallaght and notice more empty shops?

alwaysadub

Less people in shops. Lots more shops closed.

SamSamSammy

pubs probably a good one, and the rugby game the weekend another good one. i still think the clubs are full because people still spend what money they have on stuff like that. kings of leon sold out in an hour at €80 a head!!

ottostreet

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Where are the empty shops? From what I have seen

Jervis Street shopping centre - busy, new shops open, very few if any vacant
Henry Street/Mary Street - Busy, nearly all full
Grafton Street - Busy, nearly all full
Blanchardstown Shopping Centre - Busy nearly all full, new shops still opening
St. Stephens Green - Well, that place is always got vacant spots, celtic tiger or not

Anyone else been in Dundrum/Liffey Valley/Pavilion/Tallaght and notice more empty shops?

and what about outside Dublin?

The Waltzing Consumer

ottostreet wrote: »

No crowds in pubs/clubs compared to three years ago.

Huh, where? I go into town for pubs all the time. It may be a bit quieter on weekdays, but so what, weekends are pretty busy. Which pubs that had crowds in them don't now?

The Waltzing Consumer

ottostreet wrote: »

and what about outside Dublin?

I can't be everywhere Ottostreet
You tell me about where you are from and compare it to ten/five years ago?

ottostreet

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Huh, where? I go into town for pubs all the time. It may be a bit quieter on weekdays, but so what, weekends are pretty busy. Which pubs that had crowds in them don't now?

again, outside Dublin. I spend my weekends DJ'ing around the country. Big towns normally, Kilkenny/Carlow/Athlone/Portlaoise...that type of town.

Crowds are well down. Venues that were wedged three years ago are busy, but not packed. Places that pulled in average to decent crowds are either closed down...or dead in the water. The world doesn't begin and end with the boundaries of Dublin City.

KungPao

Pubs showing X-Factor is a sure sign of economic woe.

The Waltzing Consumer

ottostreet wrote: »

again, outside Dublin. I spend my weekends DJ'ing around the country. Big towns normally, Kilkenny/Carlow/Athlone/Portlaoise...that type of town.

Crowds are well down. Venues that were wedged three years ago are busy, but not packed. Places that pulled in average to decent crowds are either closed down...or dead in the water. The world doesn't begin and end with the boundaries of Dublin City.

Indeed, but I doubt you would want me inventing stats without having seen any of these places
The thread is asking us to give our personal impressions based on what we see and not what we read in news or watch on TV.

SamSamSammy

yeah has to be personal, no hear say! Everyones view will obviously be different so no arguments please.

i'm in dublin too and i don't tend to notice anything has changed. but then watch the news and feel depressed! but the "real world" isn't as near depressing as the news makes it out in my opinion.

ottostreet

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Indeed, but I doubt you would want me inventing stats without having seen any of these places
The thread is asking us to give our personal impressions based on what we see and not what we read in news or watch on TV.

ah right, now i get it.
Sorry if I was coming across a bit aggressive, it just annoys me when I see people thinking Dublin is the be-all and end-all.

Well, based on what I have seen, the pubs and clubs are slowly but surely getting quiet, and, oddly enough, those who are out are less willing to let their hair down and 'party'. It's far harder to get a night going compared to three years ago. I would guess its because people are coming out later, and drinking less.

Well, its either that, or I'm turning into a crapper DJ!

Nijmegen

It really depends where you sit. Some folks might come on here and say "Well, I stand in a queue for money every week and can't find a job for months now," and others might say "It's great how many good deals you can get these days."

I think that we have a lot more subtle signs - like signs themselves, attached to railings at traffic lights and so on, am I the only one to notice them a lot more?

Or the deal sections in a lot of shops, selling things dirt cheap to get punters in the door.

Or, my favourite over used expression, "Recession Buster!" deals...

123balltv

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Where are the empty shops? From what I have seen

Jervis Street shopping centre - busy, new shops open, very few if any vacant
Henry Street/Mary Street - Busy, nearly all full
Grafton Street - Busy, nearly all full
Blanchardstown Shopping Centre - Busy nearly all full, new shops still opening
St. Stephens Green - Well, that place is always got vacant spots, celtic tiger or not

Anyone else been in Dundrum/Liffey Valley/Pavilion/Tallaght and notice more empty shops?

The Square is like a ghost shopping town a lot of shops have left

Deborah Joy jewellers
Adams
Mother care
The bag shop
Budget travel
Moblie phone shop
a lot of other little unknown clothes/toy shops etc

starbelgrade

There's literally thousands of empty retail & industrial units around the country. Lots of office spaces are vacant & a lot of pubs have shut down. Not to mention all the empty & unfinished houses & building sites.

There's very few new cars on the roads & it's easier to get taxis and bookings in restaurants and hotels.

My missus tells me that the likes of Pennys & Dunnes are a lot busier than they were years ago.

And it's easier to find a vacant cubicle in a bar at the weekend.

KungPao

123balltv wrote: »

The Square is like a ghost shopping town a lot of shops have left

Deborah Joy jewellers
Adams
Mother care
The bag shop
Budget travel
Moblie phone shop
a lot of other little unknown clothes/toy shops etc

That shopping centre could really struggle over the next few years....the place is surrounded by Lidls and Aldis and the luas goes from there straight to the city centre. I know I'd much rather head into town and do my clothes shopping there...

Hope it doesn't end up like the Tallaght Town Centre.

starbelgrade

KungPao wrote: »

That shopping centre could really struggle over the next few years....the place is surrounded by Lidls and Aldis and the luas goes from there straight to the city centre. I know I'd much rather head into town and do my clothes shopping there...

Hope it doesn't end up like the Tallaght Town Centre.

Full of scobies?

The Waltzing Consumer

ottostreet wrote: »

ah right, now i get it.
Sorry if I was coming across a bit aggressive, it just annoys me when I see people thinking Dublin is the be-all and end-all.

Well, based on what I have seen, the pubs and clubs are slowly but surely getting quiet, and, oddly enough, those who are out are less willing to let their hair down and 'party'. It's far harder to get a night going compared to three years ago. I would guess its because people are coming out later, and drinking less.

Well, its either that, or I'm turning into a crapper DJ!

No worries.

Do you think this would have happened anyway? The stereotype with a lot of towns/villages outside of Dublin is that they have tons of pubs for such small areas so if rents/costs went up during the boom, now that is gone, there is too much supply?

Snakeblood

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Where are the empty shops? From what I have seen

Jervis Street shopping centre - busy, new shops open, very few if any vacant
Henry Street/Mary Street - Busy, nearly all full
Grafton Street - Busy, nearly all full
Blanchardstown Shopping Centre - Busy nearly all full, new shops still opening
St. Stephens Green - Well, that place is always got vacant spots, celtic tiger or not

Anyone else been in Dundrum/Liffey Valley/Pavilion/Tallaght and notice more empty shops?

The Jewelery shop in Dundrum has been replaced by a postcard shop and a jewelery repair shop. THere may still be shops but they're heading downmarket to reflect purchasing power. It'll be all Eurosaver shops soon. Go to bray and have a look round there, or down in Nutgrove. Tallaght has replaced a solcitors iwth a Cash for Gold, I think the second one in the same building.

KungPao

starbelgrade wrote: »

Full of scobies?

Back in the '80s before De Sqwaaare, there was a shopping centre of sorts in the old tallaght village, known locally as the Tallaght Town Centre. It was a real shithole and it's long gone now, but once upon a time it was the centre of all things retail in Tallaght.

When the Square opened it was curtains for that place.

phasers

Liffey Valley has 1 empty space atm, if a shop leaves the space is usually snapped up and there's new stalls and stuff opening all the time. I wish it had a €2 shop, I lvoe those things and I think it'd do well especially with the cinema right nearby.


Also there's a funfair at the back of it now! Probably temporary but still pretty cool.

chillywilly

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Where are the empty shops? From what I have seen

Jervis Street shopping centre - busy, new shops open, very few if any vacant
Henry Street/Mary Street - Busy, nearly all full
Grafton Street - Busy, nearly all full
Blanchardstown Shopping Centre - Busy nearly all full, new shops still opening
St. Stephens Green - Well, that place is always got vacant spots, celtic tiger or not


Anyone else been in Dundrum/Liffey Valley/Pavilion/Tallaght and notice more empty shops?

Thats a really bad example......you just named the most sought after retail areas in the country! Its the smaller centres/towns/villages that have empty shops.

bonerm

All the "€2" shops popping up all over the place. I remember seeing them a lot when I was a kid (tho they were of course called "pound shops" but they were virtually unseen Dublin during the Celtic Ostrich years.

MrStuffins

Getting let go from your job might kinda give it away, don't ya think?

xzanti

Aldi and Lidl stores packed to the gills
Same with Pennys
Hotels going into receivership/renting out rooms as bedsits etc

Oh and lets not forget the free cheese :pac: nomnomnom

alwaysadub

KungPao wrote: »

Back in the '80s before De Sqwaaare, there was a shopping centre of sorts in the old tallaght village, known locally as the Tallaght Town Centre. It was a real shithole and it's long gone now, but once upon a time it was the centre of all things retail in Tallaght.

When the Square opened it was curtains for that place.

Ah the Tallaght Town Centre. What a kip that was, even back in its day before we knew any better:D

Snakeblood

bonerm wrote: »

All the "€2" shops popping up all over the place. I remember seeing them a lot when I was a kid (tho they were of course called "pound shops" but they were virtually unseen Dublin during the Celtic Ostrich years.

I know someone who works in the management of one of those. THey're over the moon with the recession.

Pookah

I noticed when I went back to Dundalk, one Saturday afternoon.

It was like a ghost town. Half the properties on the main street boarded up and only a handful of people walking around. Even in the eighties, when times were hard, the town would be hopping of a Saturday.

I suppose everyone is headed North to do their shopping, but I got a shock when I saw it.

Nulty

Take a walk around Dun Laoghaire and see all the closed/boarded up shops and you'd have a suspicion at least. Many other places like it.

The Waltzing Consumer

chillywilly wrote: »

Thats a really bad example......you just named the most sought after retail areas in the country! Its the smaller centres/towns/villages that have empty shops.

Well I am hardly going to talk about these places if I don't go there? I gave examples of places that I have been to very recently. That is the purpose of the thread, to give examples of what things are like without reading newspapers or watching tv, based on the poster and his/her observations. Come on, I already posted this. Read the thread.

thebigbiffo

i posted something in here that was meant for its own thread - sorry!

FlutterinBantam

1..Those jerks who drove those noisy 'cars' seem to have disappeared.

2..Nail bars seem to have vanished.

3..Fcukers are using Srixon soft feel, instead of ProV1s

4..Vacant-faced, mallet-headed gimps who drove around in huge 4WDs and

wore yellow boots, and populated the Spar fast food counter have gone missing.

5..The brickies/plumbers/chippies/sparkies who charged you an arm and a leg and who laughed at the rest of the population whilst their fat broad arsed wives headed for New York to buy the place out are not laughing now.

6..The ' young wans' with the manners of a pig who worked as hairdressers/waxers/masseuses/pole dancers and drove around sporty coupés seem to have discovered a touch of manners again.

7.. Middle aged bints with the sunglasses on their heads,barrelling around 'Marks' and worrying whether their 'gardener' had polished and treated the decking and filled up the 'ride on' seem to be on the decline.

8.. The smart arsed fcuker,working for the multinational, who appeared up to

the Supermarket, in shorts with 4 kids under the age of 5, and loaded the

trolley with the best of goods and gave you a 'fcuk you' looks as he blocked

the checkout for a half hour with no hurry at all .

Seems to have faded away.

9.. The mahogany coloured slapper, wife of the taxi man, weighed down

with gold jewelery, loud as a fcuking foghorn, goin on about how great things

were ' in Spay-an' and permanently surrounded by a large extended family

seems to have got a bang of reality.



Otherwise one wouldn't notice:cool:

oppenheimer1

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

1..Those jerks who drove those noisy 'cars' seem to have disappeared.

2..Nail bars seem to have vanished.

3..Fcukers are using Srixon soft feel, instead of ProV1s

4..Vacant-faced, mallet-headed gimps who drove around in huge 4WDs and

wore yellow boots, and populated the Spar fast food counter have gone missing.

5..The brickies/plumbers/chippies/sparkies who charged you an arm and a leg and who laughed at the rest of the population whilst their fat broad arsed wives headed for New York to buy the place out are not laughing now.

6..The ' young wans' with the manners of a pig who worked as hairdressers/waxers/masseuses/pole dancers and drove around sporty coupés seem to have discovered a touch of manners again.

7.. Middle aged bints with the sunglasses on their heads,barrelling around 'Marks' and worrying whether their 'gardener' had polished and treated the decking and filled up the 'ride on' seem to be on the decline.

8.. The smart arsed fcuker,working for the multinational, who appeared up to

the Supermarket, in shorts with 4 kids under the age of 5, and loaded the

trolley with the best of goods and gave you a 'fcuk you' looks as he blocked

the checkout for a half hour with no hurry at all .

Seems to have faded away.

9.. The mahogany coloured slapper, wife of the taxi man, weighed down

with gold jewelery, loud as a fcuking foghorn, goin on about how great things

were ' in Spay-an' and permanently surrounded by a large extended family

seems to have got a bang of reality.



Otherwise one wouldn't notice:cool:

It must be hard work being that bitter...

FlutterinBantam

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

It must be hard work being that bitter...

Nope, comes naturally pal.


Saw yourself in there, did you?

Craebear

Scobies fighting over litter bins. Sure, they did it before the recession but now they are doing it for food.

questionmark?

I notice the streets on a saturday are full of people but they aren't spending. Before you would see some so called milf having there arms ripped off by so many bags but not anymore. No que's at the tills et...

Noticed the traffic at Rush hour isn't as bad.

If i want a roll from the deli i don't have to que behind a bucket load of builders.

The whole fake orange tan St.Tropez or whatever spray on ****e da womez use is less prevalent.


Oh ya the lack of money:(

On the bright side there is free cheese:D

So.. If you weren't able to watch the news (and I assume that extends to the budget, too) and you didn't know anyone who had jobs that could have lost them, and you've no mortgage, and you are oblivious to unemployment figures being up... How would you know it's a recession?


So essentially, if you weren't allowed to see any of the things that make a recession, how would you know there is one?


That's a hell of a question.

scientific1982

We havent seen anything yet. The bad times havent even started, this is just a warm up.

SamSamSammy

yes, out in the "real world" in the fresh air, what has changed, it was only a question.

less packed pubs, shops closing, etc etc, you seem to only one with a problem for the question :P

the idea was would you know its as bad as being made out by the news by walking around now.

(doesnt include what MIGHT happen in the future)

traffic is another good one in my opinion.

oppenheimer1

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Nope, comes naturally pal.


Saw yourself in there, did you?

See myself in there, no. Sadly I don't fit nicely into one of your stereotypes.

Naturally that bitter? If thats so, I feel sorry for you, genuinely.

FlutterinBantam

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

See myself in there, no. Sadly I don't fit nicely into one of your stereotypes.

Naturally that bitter? If thats so, I feel sorry for you, genuinely.

Reality has bitten eh?

By the way, spare your sympathy for ,maybe,the goons who chucked up good jobs to ' go travelling' and then came back to bore the rest of us with tales of how they convinced a tribe of bloodthirsty headhunters in Borneo,not to cure their heads on a stick( which would have been a blessing,as the fcukers bored the arses off us:D)and taught them a few words of Irish, then they return and discover their jobs are gone and it's down to Werbaugh St. to sign on.


They are the lads you should feel sorry for .;)

syklops

Where are the empty shops? From what I have seen

Jervis Street shopping centre - busy, new shops open, very few if any vacant
Henry Street/Mary Street - Busy, nearly all full
Grafton Street - Busy, nearly all full
Blanchardstown Shopping Centre - Busy nearly all full, new shops still opening
St. Stephens Green - Well, that place is always got vacant spots, celtic tiger or not

Anyone else been in Dundrum/Liffey Valley/Pavilion/Tallaght and notice more empty shops?

Talk a walk around my home town and you might think something was up alright. There is only one shop now. The 3 pubs are still open but only just hanging on. The owner of one of the pubs built a small estate near the village. About a dozen 3-bed semis. There is only one occupied and it is his. He is nearly giving houses away with pints at this stage.

Take a bus down the country some Saturday and you will see the recession. I was in Dublin in June and there were ques at all the cash machines, but it was mainly Tourists.