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Ireland means business

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  • #2
    zig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭zig


    Thanks for reminding us how really screwed we are if we have to bring up our corporation tax.


  • #3
    Lu Tze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,498 ✭✭✭Lu Tze


    Thats a pretty slick presentation i must say.


  • #4
    SamSamSammy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭SamSamSammy


    it doesn't tell us were doomed, so everyone won't like it. shame.


  • #5
    PanchoVilla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭PanchoVilla


    SamSamSammy wrote: »
    it doesn't tell us were doomed, so everyone won't like it. shame.

    Probably because everyone is sick and tired of constantly being lied to. Bertie said everything was grand, keep buying houses. Cowen said everything was grand, sure it's only a small bailout. Now IBEC are trying to bullshít us with flashy videos that wont mean a damn thing when all these foreign investors sail off to calmer waters. Try reading this article instead of being so easily won over by flashy Youtube videos. None of those foreign companies will stay if the corporation tax goes up, which is bound to happen when the ECB or IMF get control.


  • #6
    SamSamSammy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭SamSamSammy


    PanchoVilla wrote: »
    Probably because everyone is sick and tired of constantly being lied to. Bertie said everything was grand, keep buying houses. Cowen said everything was grand, sure it's only a small bailout. Now IBEC are trying to bullshít us with flashy videos that wont mean a damn thing when all these foreign investors sail off to calmer waters. Try reading this article instead of being so easily won over by flashy Youtube videos. None of those foreign companies will stay if the corporation tax goes up, which is bound to happen when the ECB or IMF get control.

    Yeah i like that story more, more doom. I like that. Theres no positivity.


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  • #7
    SamSamSammy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭SamSamSammy


    I hate positivity.


  • #8
    PanchoVilla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭PanchoVilla


    SamSamSammy wrote: »
    I hate positivity.

    Better to expect the worst and hope for the best than walk around oblivious to the reality we now face. If the fools in IBEC had any bit of cop on whatsoever we probably wouldn't be is as much trouble as we are today. They're only interested in making as much money as quickly as possible, then they can piss off to Europe or the U.S while Ireland sinks into the Atlantic.


  • #9
    SamSamSammy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭SamSamSammy


    When ireland sinks into the sea, will the sky fall too?


  • #10
    ART6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭ART6


    PanchoVilla wrote: »
    Better to expect the worst and hope for the best than walk around oblivious to the reality we now face. If the fools in IBEC had any bit of cop on whatsoever we probably wouldn't be is as much trouble as we are today. They're only interested in making as much money as quickly as possible, then they can piss off to Europe or the U.S while Ireland sinks into the Atlantic.

    Optimists only get unpleasant surprises. Pessimists only get pleasant ones.:D

    I completely agree that common sense would suggest trying to deal with the worst case while being grateful for anything less than the worst. What is not acceptable is the continuous denial that there is a case.


  • #11
    rumour
    Closed Accounts Posts: 836 ✭✭✭rumour


    PanchoVilla wrote: »
    Probably because everyone is sick and tired of constantly being lied to. Bertie said everything was grand, keep buying houses. Cowen said everything was grand, sure it's only a small bailout. Now IBEC are trying to bullshít us with flashy videos that wont mean a damn thing when all these foreign investors sail off to calmer waters. Try reading this article instead of being so easily won over by flashy Youtube videos. None of those foreign companies will stay if the corporation tax goes up, which is bound to happen when the ECB or IMF get control.

    If we even doubled corporation tax it wouldn't solve the problem, not close.
    Have a look at this graph from ei.sdraob.http://http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=68872368#post68872368

    So why feel so threatened about this particular one. The ECB and IMF don't go anywhere to close the place down, that is presuming they are as dumb as our governments and by default the Irish electorate. Free from political nonsense these people can actually be of assistance if we appraoch this pragmatically. The EU well that's a different question because its motivations are political.

    I note Morgan Kelly now alludes to 'the germans' being in town. The goal posts have now changed either we accept a gloomy fate or get busy reorganising ourselves out of this mess.

    First on the list for me, the 'CROKE PARK AGREEMENT'. Its a question of responsibility I guess. Either we acknowledge ourselves that this is nonsense or have the ECB and the IMF quietly push us towards dismantling it. Then we have to go further and dismantle the structure of our public services.

    We still have 30bn in cash coming in every year. In 2003 this would have been seen as excellent news. It is as much excellent news today as it was then.


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  • #12
    dan_d
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭dan_d


    rumour wrote: »
    So why feel so threatened about this particular one. The ECB and IMF don't go anywhere to close the place down, that is presuming they are as dumb as our governments and by default the Irish electorate.

    And by extension....all humans are dumb??:confused: A fair observation, but a bit harsh, don't ya think???;)

    I agree with the rest of your post however. Nice to see a bit of optimism, and I would share your hopes on the Croke Park Agreement.


  • #13
    rumour
    Closed Accounts Posts: 836 ✭✭✭rumour


    dan_d wrote: »
    And by extension....all humans are dumb??:confused: A fair observation, but a bit harsh, don't ya think???;).

    A bit harsh???, maybe maybe not. The government is a direct function of an electoral system that only works with an electorate. I suppose we could go down the road of systemic failures and of course avoid responsibility....now where I have seen that done before:rolleyes:

    All humans are not a function of our electoral system!!!


  • #14
    Rabble Rabble
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭Rabble Rabble


    PanchoVilla wrote: »
    Better to expect the worst and hope for the best than walk around oblivious to the reality we now face. If the fools in IBEC had any bit of cop on whatsoever we probably wouldn't be is as much trouble as we are today. They're only interested in making as much money as quickly as possible, then they can piss off to Europe or the U.S while Ireland sinks into the Atlantic.

    I think you are mistaking the productive sector of the economy with the financial services. Good one IBEC.


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