charloais

whymeagain

anyone in tullamore today, how were they going .big crowd. etc.....

pajero12

whymeagain wrote: »

anyone in tullamore today, how were they going .big crowd. etc.....

Fairly poor tbh...Middleing size crowd..Champion made €3000,Reserve Made €3500

Muckit

pajero12 wrote: »

Fairly poor tbh...Middleing size crowd..Champion made €3000,Reserve Made €3500

Wow, it's inevitable I suppose, recession seems to be hitting all sectors. The €5000 and €6000 days seem to be well gone. Alot of lads started breeding a few to try and make a few pound, which has only resulted in more bulls. Although not all of top quality, it has given more choice and loered prices in general.

A move towards more AI in general has also seen reduced prices for all beef bull breeds.

Maybe spring calving lads are waiting for the spring sales to purchase, might see better prices then, but no major price rise I'd suspect :rolleyes:

leg wax

so what did the good bulls make ?

pajero12

Muckit wrote: »

Wow, it's inevitable I suppose, recession seems to be hitting all sectors. The €5000 and €6000 days seem to be well gone. Alot of lads started breeding a few to try and make a few pound, which has only resulted in more bulls. Although not all of top quality, it has given more choice and loered prices in general.

A move towards more AI in general has also seen reduced prices for all beef bull breeds.

Maybe spring calving lads are waiting for the spring sales to purchase, might see better prices then, but no major price rise I'd suspect :rolleyes:

Id imagine the December Cracker in Carrick will see good prices and good stock..All Bulls are pre inspected! Dont think they'll hit the 2 biggest prices last though. €24000 & €7650

Muckit

pajero12 wrote: »

€24000 & €7650

AI stations pay out the big money (easy buy cattle I suppose with someone else's money:D)

You'd want to have alot of cows (and all very similiar) to pay out over €8000 for a bull (€7650+5%fees). I'd say alot of these higher priced lads go abroad to the UK

pajero12

Muckit wrote: »

AI stations pay out the big money (easy buy cattle I suppose with someone else's money:D)

You'd want to have alot of cows (and all very similiar) to pay out over €8000 for a bull (€7650+5%fees). I'd say alot of these higher priced lads go abroad to the UK

That is very true.

That bull was actually sold for use as a pedigree stock bull,He was sold to a Monaghan man!

Bigbird1

I dont think the days of the big money is gone for bulls and i think the charolais cracker will prove this, i know two men bringin bulls of exceptional quality to that sale. they are top 1% of breed and they are hopeing for the 5 figures price.

The charolais with shape is what farmers want now as this is what the market requires.
As someone said a lot of lads breeding bulls now,plain bulls at that and will only make plain prices.

Some great prices at simmental sale in Ros on Saturday

pajero12

Bigbird1 wrote: »

I dont think the days of the big money is gone for bulls and i think the charolais cracker will prove this, i know two men bringin bulls of exceptional quality to that sale. they are top 1% of breed and they are hopeing for the 5 figures price.

The charolais with shape is what farmers want now as this is what the market requires.

I do agree that thats what the farmersl,but judging by the pre sale inspections in tullamore and carrick on shannon,there is no exceptional bulls.The bulls I saw were massive sizes and weights for their ages ie 750kg for a yearling(Whether the d.o.bs are authentic or not!)I think the charolais society are trying to be like the english sales.Letting through massive but not very stylish bulls.I dont think these bulls suit the irish market and wont be sold! The bulls that make massive money are the ones that are out all summer winning everything.None of which stood out this year!

snowman707

is there a sale in Ennis shortly?

I was delivering a couple of maiden heifers to farmer a few weeks ago and spotted a decent looking bull in a paddock, he mentioned he might try him in Ennis in November.

pakalasa

snowman707 wrote: »

is there a sale in Ennis shortly?

I was delivering a couple of maiden heifers to farmer a few weeks ago and spotted a decent looking bull in a paddock, he mentioned he might try him in Ennis in November.

There sure is, Saturday 27 Nov 2010
http://www.charolais.ie/events.php?id=174

reilig

Was anyone in Granard last night for the Pedigree Chaorlais Dispersal sale??
I've never seen anything like it - there must have been 500 people there for the sale of 20 animals. It was very obvious that the seller was just trying to get rid of several of his culls but there must be loads of money in farming still with the prices that were being paid.

The 4 maiden heifers sold would not be my ideal choice - two of them had very bad feet - one in particular had back feet that pointed out and I personally wouldn't buy her as a commercial breeding heifer. Some guy paid €1700 for her.

There were a number of cows sold. The highest priced cow (scanned in calf 4 months to CF60), was born in 2002 (almost 9 years old), had a dead calf last year and was very fat. She was also very tender on her feet and the bottoms of the feet looked to be curling outwards (in need of pairing) - someone paid €2750 for her. Another cow made €2200. She had only 3 spins. Her calf was brought into the ring with her and he looked like a calf that didn't get enough milk - he was 6 months old, had very wirey hair and a poor end. (she was scanned in calf again).
Farmers went mad for these cows that I would only consider to be suitable for the factory.

The sellers bulls were obviously the duds. He wasted money ringing them as most were bought by export buyers for beef at €1100 to €1200. He even had one bull there that was 24 months and was a starved runt - nobody even opened the bidding on him. I cannot understand why he put a ring in him.

The only decent animals there were a couple of bulls that were outside entries. 12 month old bulls, not overdone, made from €1500 to €2000.

The quality of most of the animals were very disappointing.

johnny spade and the grave diggers

are there any non society sales coming up soon iv`e a few bulls that wouldn`t be good enough for the top end of the market

reilig

johnny spade and the grave diggers wrote: »

are there any non society sales coming up soon iv`e a few bulls that wouldn`t be good enough for the top end of the market

There's one in Elphin on November 22nd

johnny spade and the grave diggers

reilig wrote: »

There's one in Elphin on November 22nd

thanks reilig i might chance afew of them there,or else there for the chop

Bigbird1

reilig wrote: »

Was anyone in Granard last night for the Pedigree Chaorlais Dispersal sale??
I've never seen anything like it - there must have been 500 people there for the sale of 20 animals. It was very obvious that the seller was just trying to get rid of several of his culls but there must be loads of money in farming still with the prices that were being paid.

The 4 maiden heifers sold would not be my ideal choice - two of them had very bad feet - one in particular had back feet that pointed out and I personally wouldn't buy her as a commercial breeding heifer. Some guy paid €1700 for her.

There were a number of cows sold. The highest priced cow (scanned in calf 4 months to CF60), was born in 2002 (almost 9 years old), had a dead calf last year and was very fat. She was also very tender on her feet and the bottoms of the feet looked to be curling outwards (in need of pairing) - someone paid €2750 for her. Another cow made €2200. She had only 3 spins. Her calf was brought into the ring with her and he looked like a calf that didn't get enough milk - he was 6 months old, had very wirey hair and a poor end. (she was scanned in calf again).
Farmers went mad for these cows that I would only consider to be suitable for the factory.

The sellers bulls were obviously the duds. He wasted money ringing them as most were bought by export buyers for beef at €1100 to €1200. He even had one bull there that was 24 months and was a starved runt - nobody even opened the bidding on him. I cannot understand why he put a ring in him.

The only decent animals there were a couple of bulls that were outside entries. 12 month old bulls, not overdone, made from €1500 to €2000.

The quality of most of the animals were very disappointing.

Those are mad prices i paid 3500 last year for a very good PB char heifer,she was 7 months incalf..

Those prices would look alright if they were top breeding cows,
Reilig wat breeding was behind those cows?