Are you on the dole?

gaytony

What proportion of boards users sign on?

SRFC90

42.

Yakult

*cue ignorant comment about people on the dole*

myflipflops

Who gives a f*ck?

gaytony

myflipflops wrote: »

Who gives a f*ck?

apparently a lot of people , it seems to be the main talking point these days in news papers on tv and forums

ebixa82

Whats the dole?

moonshadow

ebixa82 wrote: »

Whats the dole?

De Old Labour Exchange......

squeakyduck

No, and hopefully I never will!

galwayrush

I tried after i went through a few weeks with zero income, they refused me. Self employed Irish after years of paying tax are not entitled.:rolleyes:

bonerm

galwayrush wrote: »

I tried after i went through a few weeks with zero income, they refused me. Self employed Irish after years of paying tax are not entitled.:rolleyes:

You paid the relevant PRSI and you're not entitled?

galwayrush

bonerm wrote: »

You paid the relevant PRSI and you're not entitled?

Absolutely not.:(

arybvtcw0eolkf

bonerm wrote: »

You paid the relevant PRSI and you're not entitled?

Don't stress, he can eat cheese.

To answer the OP's question.

No thankfully I'm not, and I'm in a position that I never will be.

When I drive past the ever lenghtening que's outside the social welfare offices in town (Dublin, duh!) my heart breaks and I can't imagine what its like for the people who until recent times thought life was just rosey.

And believe it or not, I think about the guys here who post up about losing their jobs, endless interviews etc.. and curse the posters here, the fvcking idiots tbh who refer to those on the dole as 'scumbags'.

Its bloody heart breaking, and I really do appreciate how lucky I am..

PaddyBomb

Where's the "F*ck off and mind your own business" option?

johnnyskeleton

bonerm wrote: »

You paid the relevant PRSI and you're not entitled?

Get this, at the lower end, the self employed pay more PRSI than a PAYE employee, yet if they lose their job they get nothing while the PAYE employee can get benefits for a year irrespective of their other means.

Even better, a (single) self employed person only gets half the tax credits that an employed person gets.

Best of all, self employment is actually much more beneficial for the economy as a jobs model as it creates more intense price competition and everyone is incentivised not only to do their job, but to do it better and in new ways than others have done.

But no, no, penalise dem greedy self employed etc etc. Ironicially some of the calls to penalise the self employed come from those who have the view that the self employed are fiddling their books. But these measures affect the honest self employed, not the dishonest ones.

johnnyskeleton

Aiden Numerous Thunder wrote: »

And believe it or not, I think about the guys here who post up about losing their jobs, endless interviews etc.. and curse the posters here, the fvcking idiots tbh who refer to those on the dole as 'scumbags'.

Its bloody heart breaking, and I really do appreciate how lucky I am..

Just to be clear, it is entirely consistent to say on the one hand that you feel sorry for people on the dole, but also that you recognise that the dole payments are far to high for the country to sustain. If people express anger at the fact that the country is almost past the point of no return because of the huge social welfare bill, it does not mean that they are angry towards the individuals who have lost their jobs and are on the dole.

marzic

I'm not on the dole. Was looking a bit ominous there for a while, but I did an interview in work which went very well and got a contract last week till jan 2012... fcuking A! my brother has been on/off it for the last year, he gets fairly pissd off when he's not working, but has been lucky not to be on it for very long spells. My next door neighbour is out of work since feb this year, and was ok about it for a while, caught up on his fishing, stuff at home. But, the novelty wore off shortly enough, and theres nothing out there, so he's not too positive about the future. And then theres the bills need playing.

It must be really tough for people trying to cope with no job and fcuk all money. i'm very lucky.

gaytony

PaddyBomb wrote: »

Where's the "F*ck off and mind your own business" option?

the poll is anonymous

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

If people express anger at the fact that the country is almost past the point of no return because of the huge social welfare bill

i thought the country was at the point of no return due to years of reckless lending and borrowing and a government with no foresight , not because of social welfare?

as someone on the dole for the past few months the fact that they are cutting it wouldn't really matter if the cost of day to day living also went down and if the government got their finger out and actually done something about job creation to give some sort of hope that there is a way out of the social welfare trap

JFlah

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Just to be clear, it is entirely consistent to say on the one hand that you feel sorry for people on the dole, but also that you recognise that the dole payments are far to high for the country to sustain. If people express anger at the fact that the country is almost past the point of no return because of the huge social welfare bill, it does not mean that they are angry towards the individuals who have lost their jobs and are on the dole.

Nicely said is nice that some people realise that most of us on Welfare at the moment have just been unlucky and are,nt scumbags. I think though that we r in a catch 22 situation now , yes welfare is too high and unsustainable , but also a huge percentage of decent people on welfare with mortgages etc. won,t be able to survive a cut in their rate !! maybe the cure will become a bigger problem ? homeless families is not something we want but will be a big possibility imo... cut Public service pay surely has to happen , reform welfare so that is spread sensibly , i.e. genuine needs r met , and close our eyes and pray

mahamageehad

Hmm is anyone else surprised by the poll?? I would have thought 50-50 by the way people keep banging on about it!

I'm not on the dole, I'm a student.

Asphyxia

Nope I'm not but I have been. I used to be a person that laughed at anyone on the dole but my opinion changed. Granted they are some people who never worked a day in their life and never intend to and are on it, but there are also people who have been working hard for years just to wake up and find they have no job.

Pauleta

Im on the dole and its not as bad as people make it out to be. I would prefer to have a job but i cant get one so i occupy myself through other means. Only boring people get bored.

fonecrusher1

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Just to be clear, it is entirely consistent to say on the one hand that you feel sorry for people on the dole, but also that you recognise that the dole payments are far to high for the country to sustain. If people express anger at the fact that the country is almost past the point of no return because of the huge social welfare bill, it does not mean that they are angry towards the individuals who have lost their jobs and are on the dole.

People on the dole are not responsible for the sh!t we're in at the moment & certainly not the biggest drain on money. Way way too many public sector employees being paid too much but they're not to blame either. We're in the sh!t because of the bunch of greedy, incompetent, lazy pricks that are supposed to be running this country who basically went on a 7 year holiday with the occasional appearance at 'work' from 2000 - 2007.

c_man

No. Will have to come January though. Some start to the New Year... Never been before and wish I didn't have to. Hopefully it won't be for long.

phasers

Not yet, but it's looking more and more likely that I will be for a few months until I get a course I want


SOMEONE HIRE ME

marxcoo

mahamageehad wrote: »

Hmm is anyone else surprised by the poll?? I would have thought 50-50 by the way people keep banging on about it!

I'm not on the dole, I'm a student.

Well the unemployment rate is around 14% so boards apparently has a much higher than average unemployment rate. wasters....

Yawns

marxcoo wrote: »

Well the unemployment rate is around 14% so boards apparently has a much higher than average unemployment rate. wasters....

Just wait til the working folks get home and post their votes

-Trek-

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

People on the dole are not responsible for the sh!t we're in at the moment & certainly not the biggest drain on money. Way way too many public sector employees being paid too much but they're not to blame either. We're in the sh!t because of the bunch of greedy, incompetent, lazy pricks that are supposed to be running this country who basically went on a 7 year holiday with the occasional appearance at 'work' from 2000 - 2007.

^ oh no ..........this is going to get ugly fast, *runs for cover* :P

marxcoo

Yawns wrote: »

Just wait til the working folks get home and post their votes

Except it's Saturday. You're so unemployed you don't even know what day it is

mahamageehad

marxcoo wrote: »

Well the unemployment rate is around 14% so boards apparently has a much higher than average unemployment rate. wasters....

jajaja but boards people are online a ridiculous amount of the time so I thought that most were unemployed/students. Looks like a lot of them are just dossing at work!!

fat__tony

No, but I have been for 10 weeks until mid January this year.

It's an awful, soul-destroying experience and I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy.

Working at any job is better than been on the dole and when I hear stories of people who have been unemployed for over a year and they turn a job down because 'they're better off on the dole' it just boggles the mind.

I've heard of an architect (may have read it on here) that was out of work for 2 years since September 2008, turned down a position at an architectural practice in Dublin because he would have been only marginally better off working.

Jesus Christ, architects jobs are like hens teeth and this clown turns a position down because of this.

rainbowdrop

marxcoo wrote: »

Except it's Saturday. You're so unemployed you don't even know what day it is

People don't work on Saturdays, no?

Spudmonkey

gaytony wrote: »

i thought the country was at the point of no return due to years of reckless lending and borrowing and a government with no foresight , not because of social welfare?

The country is at the point of no return due to the generous increases in government spending over the past 10 years of which welfare is a part. The bank bailout merely adds to it.

Dr_Phil

Spudmonkey wrote: »

which welfare is a part.

A huge part.

Yawns

marxcoo wrote: »

Except it's Saturday. You're so unemployed you don't even know what day it is

So true!

Tho I did work on saturdays when I was employed, even then I was messing weekends up. My weekend was a Mon & Tue. Cheap nights but not many people

Princess Peach

Sometimes I wish I was on the dole

Agricola

Spent a couple of months on the dole after I left college in '05. Fcukin hated it. Any dealings I had with the social welfare office seemed to be designed to make me feel 2 foot tall. Id only been signing on a couple of weeks when blunt letters started coming requesting rejection letters etc etc. I guess this was at the height of the boom when there was full employment, so they had plenty of time to give people on the dole special treatment, I imagine that has changed now. The whole thing just left a bad taste in the mouth. I hope ill manage to avoid it from now on.

Misanthrope

galwayrush wrote: »

I tried after i went through a few weeks with zero income, they refused me. Self employed Irish after years of paying tax are not entitled.:rolleyes:

You're better off without it in the long run.Self employed = resourceful and hard working in most cases.

It is typical of the discrimination in Ireland against people who try to look after themselves instead of expecting the state to wipe their arses for them.They pay their tax and a lot more of it than anyone else and get denied a few weeks assistance.

What kind of message does this send to immigrants.Great way to repel the productive ones and entice bums.

Self employed in Ireland should form an alliance and refuse to pay any more income tax.Doctors have been getting raped for years as have many other professions.If they could all come together on the same page they might be a force to be reckoned with

Ostrom

Never been on it yet, will have to leave the country next september to avoid it

Spudmonkey

Misanthrope wrote: »

You're better off without it in the long run.Self employed = resourceful and hard working in most cases.

It is typical of the discrimination in Ireland against people who try to look after themselves instead of expecting the state to wipe their arses for them.They pay their tax and a lot more of it than anyone else and get denied a few weeks assistance.

What kind of message does this send to immigrants.Great way to repel the productive ones and entice bums.

Self employed in Ireland should form an alliance and refuse to pay any more income tax.Doctors have been getting raped for years as have many other professions.If they could all come together on the same page they might be a force to be reckoned with

I was nodding in agreement until I got to the highlighted bit. I wouldn't class them as the poor mouths tbh.

Saila

not sure why you're lumping DA in with the dole, one is about being ABLE to work but cant find any, the other about being UNABLE to work

alandublin15

no need to feel guilty about drawing the dole from a population that pays ivor callely and jedward.

df1985

not on it, unemployed graduate but i havent worked in ireland in years (i spent my summers abroad) so no prsi contributions. My mother passed away recently so think i may be entitled to something now, have to see. I have zero income but the bills still come as ive inherited the house, savings dwindling fast...

Royal Seahawk

Where's the BTEA option?

alwaysadub

Yep i am. It's really starting to get to me now. This is the 1st time i've ever found it hard to get a job. I try to stay positive about it, but when you can't even get an interview, it's hard to see a bright side at times. I know though that compared to others i'm lucky. I've no one to look after but myself and i've a very understanding landlord. Still though, i think i'll be back home with the mother in the new year way things are going.

Misanthrope

Spudmonkey wrote: »

I was nodding in agreement until I got to the highlighted bit. I wouldn't class them as the poor mouths tbh.

There is a gross socio economic misconception about doctors.Think about what they have to do.Med school is a long tough haul.Do you have any idea of the crazy hours interns have to work.

Or how much it costs to set up a general practice.You have to expose yourself and your family to the threat of disease on a constant basis.

The medical card system has shafted them.

They get subpoenaed to high court cases and have to pay their own expenses should they need to travel.

They are liable to be called out at any hour.

They go into places you would be too scared to go to to deal with people you wouldn't touch.

They get to tell young people on the cusp of life's adventure, "sorry kid you've got 6 months to live."


And then there's the tax they have to pay.People fantasise that Doctors are tax dodging profiteers without having the slightest insight.What % of their income is paid in tax would you think?

A lot of the money you think your doctor is making is actually going to the pockets of the Pharmaceutical industry,and that is a legal matter not a medical one.Doctors are not lawyers.

How many practising doctors have ever made The Times Rich List.In terms of making big bucks Doctors are way way down the list.

If they really are that bad,stick em all in jail.There's plenty of honest, altruistic homeopaths out there I'm sure, and chiropracters and reiki practioners.But your GP (the one with the medical degree and Hippocratic Oath) is the one you think is a shister?Or the surgeon who operates for up to 20 hours solid on your loved one while the gream reaper hovers over them?

These guys are hands in the filth hard working, mentally tough, social assets.

Try and remember that the next time you see a newly elected politician being carried around on shoulders like he just saved the world.

Or the next time you hear of priests raping children.Think of what doctors do.

Or when you're kissing your bank managers arse for a millwheel mortgage to pay for the 1/2 million euro timberframe that some freshfaced realtor just stung you on.

I don't think the Doc is the problem

marxcoo

rainbowdrop wrote: »

People don't work on Saturdays, no?

I wouldn't know, i don't have a job... I'm a student. Meh.

Snowie

im on back to education.

pikachucheeks

marxcoo wrote: »

I wouldn't know, i don't have a job... I'm a student. Meh.

Plenty of students also have jobs. Not all of them have the benefit of affording their fees etc without a job.

marxcoo

pikachucheeks wrote: »

Plenty of students also have jobs. Not all of them have the benefit of affording their fees etc without a job.

Yes, I am aware of this. Thank you.

Ardennes1944

im 19 in ucc, got 2 jobs. and i appreciate it every day

Spudmonkey

Misanthrope wrote: »

There is a gross socio economic misconception about doctors.Think about what they have to do.Med school is a long tough haul.Do you have any idea of the crazy hours interns have to work.

Or how much it costs to set up a general practice.You have to expose yourself and your family to the threat of disease on a constant basis.

The medical card system has shafted them.

They get subpoenaed to high court cases and have to pay their own expenses should they need to travel.

They are liable to be called out at any hour.

They go into places you would be too scared to go to to deal with people you wouldn't touch.

They get to tell young people on the cusp of life's adventure, "sorry kid you've got 6 months to live."


And then there's the tax they have to pay.People fantasise that Doctors are tax dodging profiteers without having the slightest insight.What % of their income is paid in tax would you think?

A lot of the money you think your doctor is making is actually going to the pockets of the Pharmaceutical industry,and that is a legal matter not a medical one.Doctors are not lawyers.

How many practising doctors have ever made The Times Rich List.In terms of making big bucks Doctors are way way down the list.

If they really are that bad,stick em all in jail.There's plenty of honest, altruistic homeopaths out there I'm sure, and chiropracters and reiki practioners.But your GP (the one with the medical degree and Hippocratic Oath) is the one you think is a shister?Or the surgeon who operates for up to 20 hours solid on your loved one while the gream reaper hovers over them?

These guys are hands in the filth hard working, mentally tough, social assets.

Try and remember that the next time you see a newly elected politician being carried around on shoulders like he just saved the world.

Or the next time you hear of priests raping children.Think of what doctors do.

Or when you're kissing your bank managers arse for a millwheel mortgage to pay for the 1/2 million euro timberframe that some freshfaced realtor just stung you on.

I don't think the Doc is the problem

Jesus Christ that was a post made by someone really affiliated in some way with the medical profession.

Em.. No I was more talking about the consultant types who have been raking in 200k+ a year... over twice what they make in Germany for example.

What the hell are you talking about priests raping kids for? You sound like you have a serious chip on your shoulder and need some outlet for it.