Budget effects on farming - predictions

BeeDI

What will the upcoming budget do to farming?
Anyone hazzard a guess.

I reckon, the remaining €40 suckler welfare will go.
More cut backs in Teagasc. Farmers will have to pay more for the service provided.
Increased levies, in the marts and factories.
Increase in the cost of annual TB / brucellosis test.

Road tax on 4x4's and tractors to increase.

If Lenihan, is going to hot the public service and social welfare, he will have to be seen to hit farmers as well:(

proon4

Is it just me,or have the farm leaders been very quiet for the last year or so..(Keep your head down,,,, say nothing syndrome) ..Methinks the farming community have been spared the worst of this recession

5live

Dont worry. We are getting free cheese..................:D

5live

Sorry about that last post. Its just surreal. Subsidies for animal collection halved or scrapped. Local Dept staff reallocated(hopefully to payments section:rolleyes:). Costs of regional labs to rise. DA payments cut (again). And thats just the good news

proon4

5live wrote: »

Sorry about that last post. Its just surreal. Subsidies for animal collection halved or scrapped. Local Dept staff reallocated(hopefully to payments section:rolleyes:). Costs of regional labs to rise. DA payments cut (again). And thats just the good news

Explain subsidies for animal collection... dosent everybody have to pay for their transport costs dosent all businness pay for theirs too... subsidies ?? ??/

pakalasa

Just waiting for the smart answer to the last post.

BeeDI

proon4 wrote: »

Is it just me,or have the farm leaders been very quiet for the last year or so..(Keep your head down,,,, say nothing syndrome) ..Methinks the farming community have been spared the worst of this recession

Your post reminds me of the TV programme, with that miserable clown Paddy O Gorman, going around the country interviewing people in the towns and villages of Ireland .... leading them all on to say how tough and miseerable life is.

Anyway, he goes to Monaghan town, to do his usual ****e talk.
Knocks on the door of this auld fella. Asks him how the recession has been treating him. Your man delivers a classic answer " oh, be gob, dosen't make one bit of difference to us up here, in the world wide ........ shure we haven't come out of the last recession yet, never mind go in to a new one" .. :D:D

Well, Mr. Proon4, farming has been in a 20 year recession ....... so if this one is not so bad on farming, it's well earned.

John_F

proon4 wrote: »

Explain subsidies for animal collection... dosent everybody have to pay for their transport costs dosent all businness pay for theirs too... subsidies ?? ??/

dead animal collection,

this isn't new zealand (as much as teagasc say we are like with like) where farmers are allowed bury dead stock. All dead animals must be taken or collected by an approved knackery where alot of forms and money is exchanged

see here http://www.independent.ie/farming/news-features/knackery-charges-threaten-cmms-1714231.html

with regard to the farming community being spared the worst of the recession, farmers had their own recession in 2009, and grain farmers in 2007, 8 and 9! In line with this no farmer (besides those on outskirts of large towns and cities) benefited from the boom which lead us all to where we are today. Admittidly this is a very enjoyable year to be in farming, but its only making up for lost time and dont forget the level of debt on farms goin back to the farm waste management scheme

johnstown

I'd say inheritance will be affected. Probably reduce the tax free threshold (currently €414,799), possibly increase the tax rate from 25% and adopt the commission on taxation report recommendations on merging Ag relief with Business Relief.

All I know is, if they intend to make 15 Billion in savings and extra taxes, with 6 Billion coming in the next budget, there is going to be some tough times ahead (not that there is not already).

tabby aspreme

. Costs of regional labs to rise. DA payments cut (again). And thats just the good news[/QUOTE]

The DA scheme needs a good shake up anyway , a lot of top quality land around me is classed as disadvantaged and some poor land is not , a lot depended on who knew who when the scheme was set up

raindodger

agree with tabby same around this area the good land in scheme and the marginal land not

Souterrain

5live wrote: »

Costs of regional labs to rise.

Where did you hear that :eek: our vet is blood sampling our herd for BVD in the next few weeks cos he says we have a PI animal for sure (lot of scour this year):eek:

Please tell me they are not going up before the new year - are they going up much???????

Sue

whelan1

i think the bvd test is done in the north- ours is anyway , so shouldnt affect you, our results took ages though

Birdnuts

Another worry is that the cost of many farm inputs from fertilizer to feed are set to go up thanx to sharply rising commodity prices on world markets. This is down to the Americans who have gone mad printing money - already oil is approaching $90 for example:(

irishh_bob

wouldnt be surprised if capital gains tax gets a further hike from its present 25% , if they do indeed increase the rate then its time roll over relief was brought back

JohnBoy

tabby aspreme wrote: »

The DA scheme needs a good shake up anyway , a lot of top quality land around me is classed as disadvantaged and some poor land is not , a lot depended on who knew who when the scheme was set up

seemingly it's got relatively little to do with the land, and much more to do with the average incomes/socioeconomic status of the ded (district electoral division)

It's also supposed to be getting reviewed in the next year or two afaik.

proon4

BeeDI wrote: »

Your post reminds me of the TV programme, with that miserable clown Paddy O Gorman, going around the country interviewing people in the towns and villages of Ireland .... leading them all on to say how tough and miseerable life is.

Anyway, he goes to Monaghan town, to do his usual ****e talk.
Knocks on the door of this auld fella. Asks him how the recession has been treating him. Your man delivers a classic answer " oh, be gob, dosen't make one bit of difference to us up here, in the world wide ........ shure we haven't come out of the last recession yet, never mind go in to a new one" .. :D:D

Well, Mr. Proon4, farming has been in a 20 year recession ....... so if this one is not so bad on farming, it's well earned.

Well Mr BeeDI,Ive been around this world a long time.. Its the usual story from the ahemm" Farmers".... Hard times Hard times...Yea right.. Anyway lets not get too serious.. Here's a joke... What would you call a farmer that dosent complain ?...........DEAD........ lets leave it at that and agree to differ

raindodger

JohnBoy wrote: »

seemingly it's got relatively little to do with the land, and much more to do with the average incomes/socioeconomic status of the ded (district electoral division)

It's also supposed to be getting reviewed in the next year or two afaik.

hope you are right about that but you would have to be very suspicious of the last time it all depended on a sample survey of the townlands and depending on who was picked it had a massive difference but areas could be cherry picked to give the right result

5live

proon4 wrote: »

Well Mr BeeDI,Ive been around this world a long time.. Its the usual story from the ahemm" Farmers".... Hard times Hard times...Yea right.. Anyway lets not get too serious.. Here's a joke... What would you call a farmer that dosent complain ?...........DEAD........ lets leave it at that and agree to differ

Its not so long ago that a member of this government said we were in a post agricultural economy. And now we are supposed to stump up E850 million to process 2.7 billion litres of milk(over 30c a litre) BEFORE we even start onfarm investment to produce the stuff. Frankly that joke can be quite easily applied to any/every sector of this country before the month is out. We will still be here producing in 5 years time. Where will you be?:rolleyes: