Government to postpone publication of plan until after bye election - can this be...

hatrickpatrick

...regarded as anything OTHER than a flagrant attempt to bypass democracy?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/1105/breaking6.html

I quote:

The Government is hoping to minimise internal dissent by leaving as little time as possible between the publication of the plan and the budget on December 7th.

They don't even deny it. Attempting to ram through legislation and avoid facing true democracy.
Or, to put it another way, attempting to ram through legislation and avoid facing desertion by their 'allies' and subsequent removal from office by the people.

How the **** are we letting them get away with it? And there are threads here bashing students for protesting?
We should ALL be lining the streets of Dublin demanding the immediate dissolution of this Dail.

Why do we stand by and allow them to trample on the principles of living in a "republic"?

hatrickpatrick

Is there literally NO ONE else who is as outraged by this as I am? O_o

ei.sdraob

A detailed four-year budget had been scheduled for publication in the next week or so but it emerged yesterday that the plan will not be disclosed until closer to the December budget.

Could it be that they don't actually have a plan

sligopark

Not sure how they could have a plan that could fight a house fire when all they are thinking of throwing on it it are fire lighters

They need arresting, interrogated by those who lost their jobs, houses and who are having to emigrate from their families, and then jailed in another country taking our surplus like turkey

ntlbell

Obviously some very bad news in it

hatrickpatrick

So why are we, the people, standing by and allowing this to happen?
How docile have we become? This is supposed to be a real democracy. How long until we tell the government we're just not going to accept this kind of rubbish anymore?

Dannyboy83

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

So why are we, the people, standing by and allowing this to happen?
How docile have we become? This is supposed to be a real democracy. How long until we tell the government we're just not going to accept this kind of rubbish anymore?

Wait until people are hit in the pocket.
That's generally the only time Irish people take action.

wylo

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

Wait until people are hit in the pocket.
That's generally the only time Irish people take action.

Well said, but I think that represents all people, not just Irish. If you notice a pattern, the pensioners come out once their medical card is threatened, the students come out once their fees are threatened, the public service come out once their wage is threatened.

In the next few years the whole country will have felt the impact directly in their pockets, thats when there's going to be noise.

We keep bigging up the Greeks as if they know how to do it and we dont, believe me when we get hit with the same cuts as they did we will be doing the same.

The funny thing is FF probably wont even be in power at that stage so there really wont be anyone to complain to yet I know the protests are going to happen. The cuts are necessary and inevitable.

wylo

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

So why are we, the people, standing by and allowing this to happen?
How docile have we become? This is supposed to be a real democracy. How long until we tell the government we're just not going to accept this kind of rubbish anymore?

Also , have you been outside the dail yet?? And if yes, was it unrelated to the various protests i mentioned above?

kaiser sauze

They simply don't want the budget plan to be part of the discussion of the bye-election, in the vain hope that they might re-win the seat.

Scofflaw

kaiser sauze wrote: »

They simply don't want the budget plan to be part of the discussion of the bye-election, in the vain hope that they might re-win the seat.

Which, despite the somewhat hysterical tone of the OP, is hardly "trampling on the principles of living in a republic". They have to produce a budget, and they have to hold a by-election, but nothing says they have to publish the plan for one before doing the other.

The by-election isn't likely make or break the government, so however people vote in it is pretty irrelevant to the budget - the by-election isn't a vote on the budget.

Having said that, I'm sure if it were a good-news budget, they'd be only too keen to trumpet it before the by-election, and it would certainly be preferable for those voting in the election to know what was planned for shortly afterwards.

When all's said and done, though, the timing of announcements being dictated by politics is hardly anything other the small change of democratic politics. I'm not sure how it constitutes some kind of flagrant and unheard of assault on democracy?

cordially,
Scofflaw

kaiser sauze

Scofflaw wrote: »

Which, despite the somewhat hysterical tone of the OP, is hardly "trampling on the principles of living in a republic".

Yeah, I glossed over addressing that one! :pac: