Tangible accomplishments?

Canis_Lupus

This forum is absolutely hopping with all of us giving out about the current situation. Giving out makes us feel better and gets us through the day but it doesn't accomplish anything tangible. I believe the government are delighted to see us screaming into internet forums and newspaper columns because it distracts us from genuinely revolting and creating genuine positive change.

So what tangible ideas do ye have that would help our current situation? We as a people have a difficulty working together and at times it seems the government deliberately tries to divide us.

ei.sdraob

read past threads and posts, there are plenty, one thread at top in irish economy subforum for example.

PanchoVilla

A complete reformation of government bodies. We need to move away from this centralized parliamentary system and move towards a more decentralized, local government system. We need an electable judiciary, not appointees. We need a police force that is answerable to the people of this country, not it's government.

We based our governmental bodies on a country we fought a war of independence against. It's time we moved away from that completely and formed a truly democratic legislative body of our own creation that represents all the people of this country equally. Basically, we need to tear it all down and start from scratch with the knowledge and experienced gained in the last 90 years or so.

I think this will have to include going back to the drawing board with the EU. We are a small country and will not be missed by massive powers like France and Germany. We might miss their generous grants and aid but we need to learn how to stand on our own and not depend on handouts from foreign countries. Only then will we have a country we can be proud of and rightfully call our own.

scr123

I never knew message boards like this existed till early this year. Great I said to myself some real discussion on the political, social and economic issues facing the country. Within no time I realised the boards are full of party hacks and supporters and not only them but students of all sorts full of text book nonsense embellished with notions of grandeur that they are the answer to the problems of the country.
This country has an amazing amount of tangible accomplishments in the short history since its foundation. We have a lot of scars from the past and right now there are serious economic and social problems. The level of crime to me is even more serious than the economic problems. The battle to make our country a better place to live in will go on and it will be helped if those with a political agenda realise they are contaminating the country with their open hatred not only of FF but the political arena as a whole

Het-Field

PanchoVilla wrote: »

A complete reformation of government bodies. We need to move away from this centralized parliamentary system and move towards a more decentralized, local government system. We need an electable judiciary, not appointees. We need a police force that is answerable to the people of this country, not it's government.

We based our governmental bodies on a country we fought a war of independence against. It's time we moved away from that completely and formed a truly democratic legislative body of our own creation that represents all the people of this country equally. Basically, we need to tear it all down and start from scratch with the knowledge and experienced gained in the last 90 years or so.

I think this will have to include going back to the drawing board with the EU. We are a small country and will not be missed by massive powers like France and Germany. We might miss their generous grants and aid but we need to learn how to stand on our own and not depend on handouts from foreign countries. Only then will we have a country we can be proud of and rightfully call our own.

And im sure you can list a plethora of moments where it has been displayed that an elected judiciary is prefereable to he current system of appointments :rolleyes:. The current system of appointment has worked fine. It is one arm of Government where partisanship has often been parked in the name of good governance. I would also suggest you read some of Ireland's most prominant judgements which have been handed down by some of Ireland's most learned Judges.

Election of the judiciary will simply put an electoral price on the natural good that is justice. It will have the effect of increased public expenditure, arbitrary promises which dont reflect the common law jurisdiction, and the utilisation of certain zeitgeists to improve one's one lot.

What I believe you are getting at vis-a-vis the EU is farcical. I understand and respect the major teething problems which have occured in relationship to our membership of the EU, and the Eurozone, however, I also recognise that as a collective we stand a better chance of success. You make bald accusations about "standing on our own two feet". I would like to know how we would economically "stand on our own two feet" ? If you claim that we could simply join the EFTA, I will rebut that by claiming that you are copping out of the argument.

I have no difficulty with your suggestions about the decentralisation of the legislature. Although the lines are apparently drawn, they are blurred to the point of irrelevance. This is given creedence by the politics proffered by the likes of JHR, Noel Grealish, Finian McGrath and Lowry. The score political points by utilising issues which should be within the remit of the councils.

Amhran Nua

Canis_Lupus wrote: »

So what tangible ideas do ye have that would help our current situation?

Here's a group I've been working with for a while:
www.amhrannua.com
Positively creaking with good ideas.

Canis_Lupus

Thats a very comprehensive website, best of luck getting the party off the ground. Its nice to see an example of something new in the political sphere and hopefully if the party have some success they won't make the same failures that most of our current parties appear to do.

Amhran Nua

Canis_Lupus wrote: »

Thats a very comprehensive website, best of luck getting the party off the ground. Its nice to see an example of something new in the political sphere and hopefully if the party have some success they won't make the same failures that most of our current parties appear to do.

Thanks, as with anything there are no guarantees, but if we can even get the majority of the legislative groundwork on the books it will be a great deal harder for any government to duff things up as badly as the current one has.

zig

Canis Lupus, I was considering starting a new thread looking for opinions and suggestions on an idea I have. I will probably start the thread over the weekend. It would basically involve as many unemployed people staging a semi permanent protest outside the dail until theres a re-election.
Im currently unemployed, the reason I say unemployed is because
A: Theres alot of us.
B: We are the only ones in the country that have the time to do something like this. I wouldnt expect someone to put their job at risk for something like this.
C: Current unemployed people have probably been affected by FF decision making over the past 10 years more so than others.

You're right, all we do is moan moan and moan, sometimes its because the moaners dont really care as much as they let on. Other times its because the moaners feel helpless so theres not much they feel they can do.

Either way we are in a very serious financial crisis. Another ruling party wont be able to get us out of this mess any better BUT, I think a forced re-election will have two positive effects.
1. Send a message to Europe that we as a population are serious about change.
2.Our current government will be up to date with what the people voted for. As it is, FF in power is not real democracy. No-one wants them there. Yet we all sit back and watch them on the news every night.

The protest would basically be a non stop mass rotation of people , you would need a few 1000 people there at all times, this would be a headache on the local area but a price that could be payed if it meant an election.

Obviously there is alot of arguments that can be made about this ,and also theres probably alot of naivete in this post, but its worth a discussion at least.