new york marathon odds.

USERNAME999

Up on betfair now. Some savage odds. Really good odds on lads like meb and americans and kenyan espeically mutai and this young lad gilbert kirwa. 206 loads of times. They seem to think geb will win, not so sure!

clubcard

They are only good odds if you win;)
Haile will win though.
love this race-two of the finest athletes ever going head to head and neither giving an inch.Must be the greatest night of athletics ever with Cathy Freeman winning and Sonia going so close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkbazvD055o

robinph

What odds for Pena?

clubcard

Just checked,the odds arent really up,well not properly.
Most of the men trading at 6-1 so I wouldnt say any value there with Haile a shade under even money.
All the womens field at 2.00 so as I said odds arent really up.
Id check on Saturday...
Looking forward to see how Ritz goes though,think it's his first marathon since breaking 13mins for 5k.

TheRoadRunner

can somebody hide this thread from woddle we've only got him back from the darkside

myflipflops

USERNAME999 wrote: »

Up on betfair now. Some savage odds. Really good odds on lads like meb and americans and kenyan espeically mutai and this young lad gilbert kirwa. 206 loads of times. They seem to think geb will win, not so sure!

It's a 280% book! Probably the worst prices it's possible to imagine.

Wait until Saturday night when the market has settled and there is liquidity there. A couple of high street companies should price it up too.

Woddle

TheRoadRunner wrote: »

can somebody hide this thread from woddle we've only got him back from the darkside

The only reason I'm in this thread is due to my responsibilities as a mod.




no value in this race, yet

USERNAME999

Fully disagree. Most people at 6 to 1. to have lads that can run 204 as 60 to 1 is crazy and 9 to 1 for a 206 fella on mulitple times. I agree at themoment a lot of value is curently not there but this will change massively on saturday. But there are loads of bargains currently up there.

shels4ever

USERNAME999 wrote: »

Fully disagree. Most people at 6 to 1. to have lads that can run 204 as 60 to 1 is crazy and 9 to 1 for a 206 fella on mulitple times. I agree at themoment a lot of value is curently not there but this will change massively on saturday. But there are loads of bargains currently up there.

Its only a bargin if it comes in.. The word bargin and betting doesnt always go hand to hand. I can see only 2 possible winners of this event but then again its a marathon so things can go very very wrong for a bargin..

rovers_runner

Back against Haile top 3 on Betfair.
He doesn't do races without pacemakers, they'll burn him off by 15m.

shels4ever

rovers_runner wrote: »

Back against Haile top 3 on Betfair.
He doesn't do races without pacemakers, they'll burn him off by 15m.

I'd take that bet from you, The 37 years old to win against the kids in a pure race

rovers_runner

shels4ever wrote: »

I'd take that bet from you, The 37 years old to win against the kids in a pure race

If he wins I'll be forever in awe of him as it's a tough course for a tactical race, the complete opposite of what he's used to.
I can't see it though, there are dozens of young lads from Kenya/Eth lining up and going under 2:08 on undulating courses these days, while fighting it out without the aid of pacers too.

shels4ever

rovers_runner wrote: »

If he wins I'll be forever in awe of him as it's a tough course for a tactical race, the complete opposite of what he's used to.
I can't see it though, there are dozens of young lads from Kenya/Eth lining up and going under 2:08 on undulating courses these days, while fighting it out without the aid of pacers too.

Yep hope he proves you wrong, its the way marathons have gone that they have been after times rather then races over the last few years. Olympics would have been a great race had he been there.

rovers_runner

This lad looks the value at 6/1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Kwambai

Brianderunner

shels4ever wrote: »

Yep hope he proves you wrong, its the way marathons have gone that they have been after times rather then races over the last few years. Olympics would have been a great race had he been there.

Possibly, though i am of the opinion that he dodged the olympic marathon to avoid lel and co, using the pollution as an excuse, then ran the 10k instead, where he was well beaten. Wanjiru is the best marathoner in history imo and haile wouldn't have lived with him in Beijing. I would fancy Haile this weekend though, at 6/4 or better.

dermCu

rovers_runner wrote: »

If he wins I'll be forever in awe of him as it's a tough course for a tactical race, the complete opposite of what he's used to.

Seriously??? The guy destroyed everything thrown at him on the track for years and years - tactical, time trial, sprint finish he won them all.
You cant say he's not used to tactical races. He's run more tactical races than we've had hot dinners.
For better or worse he decided to chase the marathon WR in a very controlled fashion. He might not have ran many tactical marathons but then again that was not his intention. But he's clearly said that he's out to win NY rather than go after a record so its a different ball game now.

shels4ever

Brianderunner wrote: »

Possibly, though i am of the opinion that he dodged the olympic marathon to avoid lel and co, using the pollution as an excuse, then ran the 10k instead, where he was well beaten. Wanjiru is the best marathoner in history imo and haile wouldn't have lived with him in Beijing. I would fancy Haile this weekend though, at 6/4 or better.

Wanjiru is amazing one thing Haile has over him is track smarts, I think that can been seen from his pacing etc Wanjiru is liable to go a bit too quick early and then somehow mange to pick it up in later stages again. He just needs to be a little smarted in order to take the wr from the great man. Remember Haile wasn't and isnt in his prime now .

kincsem

Very poor trading with only €79 matched on the New York Mens marathon.

If Haile Gebrselassie is available to lay near his current 2s (even money) then that is the bet.

Fond memories of backing Noguchi at 22s and laying Radcliffe at 6/4 in the 2004 Athens Olympics.

TFBubendorfer

rovers_runner wrote: »

This lad looks the value at 6/1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Kwambai

Don't think so, to be honest. I think he burnt himself out in Rotterdam last year. Same accounts for Duncan Kibet in the same race. Neither of them has had one good race since then.

myflipflops

Only place so far

http://sports.bodog.co.uk/athletics/new-york-city-marathon.htm

Oddschecker if others offer it.

http://www.oddschecker.com/other-sports/athletics/new-york-marathon/new-york-marathon-mens-elite/winner

OneColdHand

Is this on TV, or where is the best place to see it?

Brianderunner

OneColdHand wrote: »

Is this on TV, or where is the best place to see it?

British Eurosport at 2pm tomorrow, planning my day around it Otherwise you'll see it online, there'll be a link on channelsurfing.net.

Tempted by the 6/4 on Haile tomorrow, i cant see anything to beat him.

misty floyd

kincsem wrote: »

Very poor trading with only €79 matched on the New York Mens marathon.

Sorry but what does that mean? Cheers.

Krusty_Clown

rovers_runner wrote: »

Back against Haile top 3 on Betfair.
He doesn't do races without pacemakers, they'll burn him off by 15m.

I don't know if the pacemakers have helped in recent years. Quite often they have either pushed too hard or too slow to be really useful (I'd imagine the pace car/clock is probably just as useful from a stream-lining/wind protection perspective, and I'd imagine they'll have one in NY marathon too).. He could feasibly run in the pack to 24 miles and then put the foot down. Either way, I wouldn't write him off. His form was top notch in the recent Great North Run (albeit against poorer competition). Age is probably his greatest barrier these days, but we all know what an incredible finisher he is.

New York will probably suit him too, as he's not forced to aim for any further WRs. Berlin was too hot last year, and was the reason he cited for not breaking his own record, but in NY he'll be under no WR pressure.

misty floyd

Background on each of the Geb's challengers: http://www.letsrun.com/2010/men-1105.php

clubcard

Haile Gebrselassie6/413/106.00James KwambaiJames Kwambai531/58.00Abel KiruiAbel Kirui739/59.00Abderrahim GoumriAbderrahim Goumri8711.00Marilson Gomes dos SantosMarilson Gomes dos Santos10915.00Viktor Rothlin1436/515.00Gebre GebremariamGebre Gebremariam14915.00Gilbert KirwaGilbert Kirwa1427/217.00Peter KamaisPeter Kamais1621/223.00Emmanuel MutaiEmmanuel Mutai2241/529.00Meb KeflezighiMeb Keflezighi2821/229.00Dathan RitzenheinDathan Ritzenhein2825/241.00Abderrahime BouramdaneAbderrahime Bouramdane40951.00Hendrick RamaalaHendrick Ramaala501981.00Simon BairuSimon Bairu80199999.00Arata FujiwaraArata Fujiwara39/59999.00Any Other AthleteAny Other Athlete9

Haile 6-4 im all over it .......could be egg on my face tommorow but I can't see the great man be beaten.

USERNAME999

Gilbert Kirwa is where my money is going. This guy is a stud. Best odds are on him for top 3. Mentioned in letsrun as the guy to watch out. Has ran 3 marathons and won 2 and come second in other and ran 206 twice. THats awesome. Supposedely in Kenya they are pining their hopes on him. Heard he ran some outrageous time at altitude recently for a half i think where he hammered all those other guys racing. You heard it here first Kirwa to win if geb doesnt.
womens is a straight choice between keitany and erkesso

kincsem

Very poor trading with only €79 matched on the New York Mens marathon.

misty floyd wrote: »

Sorry but what does that mean? Cheers.

The total amount bet on the New York Mens marathon on Betfair is now only €375 (was €79). It means almost no money bet on this event yet as obviously it is not a popular betting event, or athletes do not bet much, or all the betting will be done tomorrow before / during the race (unlikely).

By contrast "Semi Final Matches / Granollers v Simon / Match Odds" has €3,923,571 bet - a tennis match that started at 19:00 today.

kincsem

I have a balance in my Paddy Power account but when I log on.

Athletics Betting Unavailable
Sorry, we currently do not offer betting on Athletics

Its not worth the effort for them to compile odds on athletics events as they will do no business. They will have a cost of hiring athletics odds compilers, but have no trading volume and no profit.

myflipflops

kincsem wrote: »

I have a balance in my Paddy Power account but when I log on.

Athletics Betting Unavailable
Sorry, we currently do not offer betting on Athletics

Its not worth the effort for them to compile odds on athletics events as they will do no business. They will have a cost of hiring athletics odds compilers, but have no trading volume and no profit.

I'd encourage anyone here who has accounts with PP, Boyles, Ladbrokes or anyone else to mail in and request a market. They will price it up if they got a couple of requests.


EDIT: Powers offering a market now.

misty floyd

If you don't have eurosport, seems like you'll be resorted to streaming on line and it seems like this is the option......$5 with universal sports. Or one of those jumpy crappy streams.

Woddle

misty floyd wrote: »

If you don't have eurosport, seems like you'll be resorted to streaming on line and it seems like this is the option......$5 with universal sports. Or one of those jumpy crappy streams.

could be live here
http://www.flotrack.org/videos/coverage/view/237408-2010-ing-new-york-city-marathon


edit.. I see it's just another link to universal sports.

robinph

Isn't there some site that streams all the major marathons online, can't remember the name of it anymore though.

robinph

Not quite the way round I wanted it, but will do...

Marathon on Eurosport via SkyPlayer on the XBox and then F1 on the laptop via iPlayer, will probably stick the driver tracker on another laptop as well just for completeness.

That's me sorted for the afternoon anyway.

misty floyd

I paid the $5. Not seeing anything yet though:mad:. What time does it start?

xebec

misty floyd wrote: »

I paid the $5. Not seeing anything yet though:mad:. What time does it start?

Women's race off about 7 minutes ago...

ecoli

http://www.fromsport.com/c-11.html

Free stream for anyone interested

Sorry its a bit late misty:o

misty floyd

ecoli wrote: »

Sorry its a bit late misty:o

Used my gf's credit card Thanks anyway, wouldn't mind but this connection is a bit on/off. Annoying.

Brianderunner

I have a fiver on kirwa in the mens at 18/1, value bet, Haile's twitter post put me off him.

Woddle

Brianderunner wrote: »

I have a fiver on kirwa in the mens at 18/1, value bet, Haile's twitter post put me off him.

I was wondering why he went out to 2.50, €20 on him.

misty floyd

Brianderunner wrote: »

I have a fiver on kirwa in the mens at 18/1, value bet, Haile's twitter post put me off him.

I got him at 14 myself, not great, and put a fiver on Kirui.

Brianderunner

misty floyd wrote: »

I got him at 14 myself, not great, and put a fiver on Kirui.

Kirwa didnt start the race by the looks of it, refund i suppose. I have erkesso in the womens at 5/2 to be placed aswell.

RacoonQueen

Geb dropped out.

rovers_runner

Haile got his excuse in early I see, you wouldn't see Sammy at that.
Seeing he has since retired mayb he was forced\coaxed into running ?
If he had a problem it was his pocket unwilling to take the hit of a no show.

Brilliant performance by Gebremariam, the cross country stood to him no doubt, finished like a train.
Poor Kwambai was done for once they hit the park, not enough power for such a course.

village runner

rovers_runner wrote: »

Haile got his excuse in early I see, you wouldn't see Sammy at that.
Seeing he has since retired mayb he was forced\coaxed into running ?
If he had a problem it was his pocket unwilling to take the hit of a no show.

Brilliant performance by Gebremariam, the cross country stood to him no doubt, finished like a train.
Poor Kwambai was done for once they hit the park, not enough power for such a course.

If my memory serves me right SAMMY had a dnf this year in london..........If he was injured he was injured. A legend. Nothing to prove....Why didnt sammy take him on in berlin ?? We will never know. In fairness he is 38 so he deserves to retire. Will be missed though. Glad I ran in two of his races.

rovers_runner

village runner wrote: »

If my memory serves me right SAMMY had a dnf this year in london..........If he was injured he was injured. A legend. Nothing to prove....Why didnt sammy take him on in berlin ?? We will never know. In fairness he is 38 so he deserves to retire. Will be missed though. Glad I ran in two of his races.

He did indeed have a DNF and he said before and after he that he started the race thinking that he would win so he said he'd have a go till he felt the slightest niggle.
Haile went for an MRI as it has been reported ?
Surely that would be a cause for an elite professional to withdraw unless there was pressure on him?


Haile prevented Wanjiru from getting an entry to Berlin in 2009, the dogs on the street know that.
He went to Chicago that same year and beat Haile's time from a few weeks earlier and also it's the fastest marathon in US history.
What about Beijing? Haile always said he though Olympic gold is worth more than any city marathon or record.

IMHO Haile is the better athlete overall (5k - marathon) but Wanjiru will be a better marathoner in time.

Woddle

rovers_runner wrote: »

IMHO Haile is the better athlete overall (5k - marathon) but Wanjiru will be a better marathoner in time.

Maybe but only because Haile has shown this generation what's possibele.

I listened to Sammi being interviewed on marathon talk (this interview was months ago) , Haile had already committed to NY but Sammi had not committed to Chicago at the time and the question was put to him about NY and Haile and he replied with sth like talk to my agent, so what I took out of that was Sammi didn't want to race Haile and was all talk.

rovers_runner

Woddle wrote: »

Maybe but only because Haile has shown this generation what's possibele.

I listened to Sammi being interviewed on marathon talk (this interview was months ago) , Haile had already committed to NY but Sammi had not committed to Chicago at the time and the question was put to him about NY and Haile and he replied with sth like talk to my agent, so what I took out of that was Sammi didn't want to race Haile and was all talk.

I'd have loved to see them go face to face but obviously now yesterday in New York wouldn't have been the clash everyone wanted.

London/Berlin/Beijing in 08-09 would have been the ideal time as both were at a peak.