BBC One HD not currently available on Irish EPG

mobpd

hi
Anyone have any details from SKY if / when they will add BBC1 HD to the irish EPG?
thanks
mobpd

Its just gone live on the UK EPG but not the Irish, so I guess we can add it to another set of channels we cant have.

Its not enough that we pay more for our Sky subs but Irish Subscribers now loose out on

BBC One HD
BBC 3
BBC 4
Ch5
Ch5 HD
Five US
Fiver
CH4 HD
ITV
ITV2
ITV3
ITV3
ITV1 HD
ITV2 HD
ITV3 HD
ITV4 HD

I wouldnt mind but our beloved government transmit all our channels to the North and yet we get nothing in return except BBC 1 NI, BBC2 NI and BBC HD

Time to swap my Irish subs to a UK Subs.

marclt

so is BBC HD still on 143 or has it moved to 169 in line with the UK?

_Kaiser_

Thread title needs to be changed to say "BBC 1 HD NOT on Irish EPG"

Typical crap as usual though where ROI subscribers who pay more for each package actually get less for their money.

I thought BBC HD (which is still there on 143 I see) was to move to 169 though and BBC 1 HD to take that slot?

I'm seriously considering forking out the one-off/upfront cost of 2 Freesat HD boxes and cancelling Sky altogether at this stage as most of what's watched anyway is on FTA/FTV channels.

pbirney

Darn ... I saw the thread title & thought it was a statement rather than a question

marclt

title amended...

i think if anyone is considering ringing Sky over this, then they need to turn the screw pretty tight - because for most the freesat option is the way to go.

Mr McBoatface

Deleted User wrote: »

Its not enough that we pay more for our Sky subs but Irish Subscribers now loose out on

BBC One HD
BBC 3
BBC 4
Ch5
Ch5 HD
Five US
Fiver
CH4 HD
ITV
ITV2
ITV3
ITV3
ITV1 HD
ITV2 HD
ITV3 HD
ITV4 HD

I wouldnt mind but our beloved government transmit all our channels to the North and yet we get nothing in return except BBC 1 NI, BBC2 NI and BBC HD

Time to swap my Irish subs to a UK Subs.

Don't forget the +1 Channels.

Personally I don't see the logic of bringing our government into the frame as it has zero to to with them. Sky is private business not regulated by our Government, it's solely a customer relation issue with SKY.

jobyrne30

jobyrne30 wrote: »

Don't forget the +1 Channels.

Personally I don't see the logic of bringing our government into the frame as it has zero to to with them. Sky is private business not regulated by our Government, it's solely a customer relation issue with SKY.

Its not just a Sky Issue.

Northern Ireland get access to all our TV Channels, we get access to just BBC 1,2 Ch4 and BBC HD.

Sure Sky are ripping us off, but at the end of the day our Government dosent seem to mind giving NI everything and getting a few channels back in return.

I see no logic as to why Ireland cant have Ch4 HD and BBC one HD considering we are already getting their SD version.

Mr McBoatface

@ irishfreeview - I agree with you somewhat with you on both of your points, I just don't see them as being related (sorry).

glimmerman123

At the end of the day guys it's up to the BBC not Sky if they want BBC ONE HD or any of their other channels added to the Irish epg .

Minstrel27

Sky only care about one thing and this omission from the EPG will not lead to cancellations. I for one would be pissed off it I lost the ability to record some programmes that were available via BBC HD.

glimmerman123 wrote: »

At the end of the day guys it's up to the BBC not Sky if they want BBC ONE HD or any of their other channels added to the Irish epg .

Sky could always pay the BBC to place their BBC One HD channel on the Irish EPG, just as they do for BBC One and Two NI. Sky are overcharging Irish customers afterall. And they will continue to do so.

glimmerman123

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Sky only care about one thing and this omission from the EPG will not lead to cancellations. I for one would be pissed off it I lost the ability to record some programmes that were available via BBC HD.



Sky could always pay the BBC to place their BBC One HD channel on the Irish EPG, just as they do for BBC One and Two NI. Sky are overcharging Irish customers afterall. And they will continue to do so.

Yes Sky could pay the BBC to let them add BBC ONE HD to the Irish epg but as i said if the BBC don't want Irish customers to have any of their channels well i don't think Sky can do much about it.

Minstrel27

glimmerman123 wrote: »

Yes Sky could pay the BBC to let them add BBC ONE HD to the Irish epg but as i said if the BBC don't want Irish customers to have any of their channels well i don't think Sky can do much about it.

Do you know for a fact that the BBC do not want their channels on the Irish EPG or are you speculating? They did afterall do a deal to allow BBC HD, BBC One and Two onto the Irish EPG.

JDxtra

Sky need to do the deal. The BBC could not care less about carriage in Ireland, until the offer of a few
quid to BBC Worldwide is on the table...

glimmerman123

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Do you know for a fact that the BBC do not want their channels on the Irish EPG or are you speculating? They did afterall do a deal to allow BBC HD, BBC One and Two onto the Irish EPG.

No i don't know for a fact that the BBC don't want some of their channels on the Irish epg but the fact that BBC3,BBC4 and now BBC ONE HD are not on the Irish epg can mean only two things either Sky haven't made them an offer so they can add them to the Irish epg or as i have already said the BBC don't want to make them available to Irish customers.

Minstrel27

glimmerman123 wrote: »

No i don't know for a fact that the BBC don't want some of their channels on the Irish epg but the fact that BBC3,BBC4 and now BBC ONE HD are not on the Irish epg can mean only two things either Sky haven't made them an offer so they can add them to the Irish epg or as i have already said the BBC don't want to make them available to Irish customers.

If they don't want them available in Ireland then why would they allow UPC to show the other channels?

These channels are not there because Sky will not pay BBC Worldwide to put them there.

glimmerman123

Minstrel27 wrote: »

If they don't want them available in Ireland then why would they allow UPC to show the other channels?

These channels are not there because Sky will not pay BBC Worldwide to put them there.

I agree the chances are that Sky have not made an offer to BBC Worldwide to make these channels available on the ROI epg. All we can hope for is that some of these channels will appear in the near future.

Manc-Red

Minstrel27 wrote: »

These channels are not there because Sky will not pay BBC Worldwide to put them there.

On the button there Minstrel......

The true reason BBC HD went on the Irish EPG was solely to attract new customers to Sky HD for the World Cup during the summer....

Sky wont do something unless they really have to, the robbing u know whats.

Manc-Red

glimmerman123 wrote: »

No i don't know for a fact that the BBC don't want some of their channels on the Irish epg but the fact that BBC3,BBC4 and now BBC ONE HD are not on the Irish epg can mean only two things either Sky haven't made them an offer so they can add them to the Irish epg or as i have already said the BBC don't want to make them available to Irish customers.

Ok so why are these channels including UTV, made available on Irish digital boxes via Cable with full epg (-bbc one hd)?

The answer as Minstrel has already pointed out is Sky - Sky is the issue.

irishgeo

Manc-Red wrote: »

Ok so why are these channels including UTV, made available on Irish digital boxes via Cable with full epg (-bbc one hd)?

The answer as Minstrel has already pointed out is Sky - Sky is the issue.

the BBC cant pay for Carriage on the Irish EPG simply because we dont pay the UK TV Licence Fee.

if they did pay it would be deemed a waste of UK tax payers money.

Manc-Red

irishgeo wrote: »

the BBC cant pay for Carriage on the Irish EPG simply because we dont pay the UK TV Licence Fee.

if they did pay it would be deemed a waste of UK tax payers money.

I'll ask again then - why are these available on Cable here if thats the case?

Minstrel27

irishgeo wrote: »

the BBC cant pay for Carriage on the Irish EPG simply because we dont pay the UK TV Licence Fee.

if they did pay it would be deemed a waste of UK tax payers money.

Nobody is suggesting that the BBC pay for their inclusion on the Irish EPG. Sky should be paying the BBC just as UPC pay the BBC.

Whats gets me is that the channels are available as other channels, thats UTV, Five and now BBC One HD.

Why cant SKY just enable us to be able to record other channels? That would be such a great selling point.

Or I would be happy to pay an extra €5 per month to have the full range of UK Channels with record facility.

Apart from ripping us off Sky are also missing out on extra reasons to make more revenue.

marvsins

For adding bbc1 hd in other channels. Hopefully it'll be on epg soon.

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JDxtra

Manc-Red wrote: »

I'll ask again then - why are these available on Cable here if thats the case?

Because UPC pay BBC Worldwide (their commercial arm) for carriage.

Manc-Red

JDxtra wrote: »

Because UPC pay BBC Worldwide (their commercial arm) for carriage.

How come Sky don't I wonder....

JDxtra

Because they don't have to. They are the biggest TV provider in the country, and are not losing subscribers in large numbers because of this. So, they are just saving themselves a few quid. Same reason they don't align UK and Irish pricing. They are just making too much money from it.

Manc-Red

JDxtra wrote: »

Because they don't have to. They are the biggest TV provider in the country, and are not losing subscribers in large numbers because of this. So, they are just saving themselves a few quid. Same reason they don't align UK and Irish pricing. They are just making too much money from it.

Ah right - Theres more to it though m8, something is not adding up.

enfant terrible

Manc-Red wrote: »

Ah right - Theres more to it though m8, something is not adding up.

Don't think there is, they just couldn't be bothered because they won't make money by adding them.

Manc-Red

enfant terrible wrote: »

Don't think there is, they just couldn't be bothered because they won't make money by adding them.

For the record I completely disagree with that comment.

Minstrel27

I have to agree with the lads. Sky wont pay BBC Worldwide because they have no reason to. They still have lots of Sky customers here even without the extra channels and extortionate monthly fees.

200motels

I Just rang Sky and they told me that it's not up to them to add BBC1 HD, I told them that's a load of bull. She said that I should email there customer service dept and I have and so should everyone on this forum.

Minstrel27

200motels wrote: »

I Just rang Sky and they told me that it's not up to them to add BBC1 HD, I told them that's a load of bull. She said that I should email there customer service dept and I have and so should everyone on this forum.

Emailing their cancellations department is the only way they will take note.

lgs 4

200motels wrote: »

I Just rang Sky and they told me that it's not up to them to add BBC1 HD, I told them that's a load of bull. She said that I should email there customer service dept and I have and so should everyone on this forum.

your dealing with sky that why, so if you want BBC 1 HD you pay for it or drop your sky sub and get sky freesat card and say good bye to your sky + or get the bbc /itv freesat humax pvr

enfant terrible

Manc-Red wrote: »

For the record I completely disagree with that comment.

What do you think?

200motels

lgs 4 wrote: »

your dealing with sky that why, so if you want BBC 1 HD you pay for it or drop your sky sub and get sky freesat card and say good bye to your sky + or get the bbc /itv freesat humax pvr

The only reason I have Sky is for Sky1 HD otherwise I'd have left them long ago.

god's toy

It's on my Freesat, just popped up today. Would be cool for sky to place it in the EPG but we are talking about $ky here so...

Hope this weekends F1 is in HD! HA!

holidaysong

god's toy wrote: »

Hope this weekends F1 is in HD! HA!

It'll only be upscaled, not native HD. It will be next season though.

god's toy

holidaysong wrote: »

It'll only be upscaled, not native HD. It will be next season though.

Thanks!

Well thats better than nothing, and at least I can just jump back and forth between them if needed. Can t wait for next season now!!

snaps

I keep on saying it until im blue in the face, Dump sky, get a decent HD combo box, UHF aerial and you'll have all the FTA stuff plus Irish DTT, keep your Sky box looped through the combo or fed to another feed from your dish, get a UK FTV card and you'll have the extra few channels either on the combo box or on the sky box (Five HD, CH4 HD, Sky 3, Viva, Five usa, Five R)

The combo box possibly wont keep the FTV card alive, but the connected sky box will, so when not in use pop the sky FTV card back into the sky box.

With this setup, you can record via the combo box to a Hardrive, you can also then watch a 2nd channel either by the combo box (Depending which one you have) or via the sky box.

If it seems complicated, its not, and once you have the system setup, its Free.

Ive combo boxes in all the main rooms and now have my epg as follows:

RTE1, RTE2, TV3, TG4, RTE news, BBCone HD, BBC HD, BBC 1, BBC 2, ITV HD, ITV, CH4HD, CH4,CH4+1, Five HD, Five etc etc.

cullenswood

snaps wrote: »

I keep on saying it until im blue in the face, Dump sky, get a decent HD combo box, UHF aerial and you'll have all the FTA stuff plus Irish DTT, keep your Sky box looped through the combo or fed to another feed from your dish, get a UK FTV card and you'll have the extra few channels either on the combo box or on the sky box (Five HD, CH4 HD, Sky 3, Viva, Five usa, Five R)

The combo box possibly wont keep the FTV card alive, but the connected sky box will, so when not in use pop the sky FTV card back into the sky box.

With this setup, you can record via the combo box to a Hardrive, you can also then watch a 2nd channel either by the combo box (Depending which one you have) or via the sky box.

If it seems complicated, its not, and once you have the system setup, its Free.

Ive combo boxes in all the main rooms and now have my epg as follows:

RTE1, RTE2, TV3, TG4, RTE news, BBCone HD, BBC HD, BBC 1, BBC 2, ITV HD, ITV, CH4HD, CH4,CH4+1, Five HD, Five etc etc.

Can you easily record RTE and TV3 and watch another channel using this system?

200motels

snaps wrote: »

I keep on saying it until im blue in the face, Dump sky, get a decent HD combo box, UHF aerial and you'll have all the FTA stuff plus Irish DTT, keep your Sky box looped through the combo or fed to another feed from your dish, get a UK FTV card and you'll have the extra few channels either on the combo box or on the sky box (Five HD, CH4 HD, Sky 3, Viva, Five usa, Five R)

The combo box possibly wont keep the FTV card alive, but the connected sky box will, so when not in use pop the sky FTV card back into the sky box.

With this setup, you can record via the combo box to a Hardrive, you can also then watch a 2nd channel either by the combo box (Depending which one you have) or via the sky box.

If it seems complicated, its not, and once you have the system setup, its Free.

Ive combo boxes in all the main rooms and now have my epg as follows:

RTE1, RTE2, TV3, TG4, RTE news, BBCone HD, BBC HD, BBC 1, BBC 2, ITV HD, ITV, CH4HD, CH4,CH4+1, Five HD, Five etc etc.

That's all well and good, but as I've already said above I need Sky for Sky1 HD, and your set up leaves a lot to be desired. Most People want things simple and easy to use.

Reg'stoy

cullenswood wrote: »

Can you easily record RTE and TV3 and watch another channel using this system?

I use Play TV with my PS3 to record Irish TV (cost me €50), it records shows to the hard drive of my PS3.

I got an aerial installed in my attic and had cables routed to downstairs and upstairs with one cable going into my LG MPEG4 TV and one into my Play TV. So I could in theory be watching RTE1 as TV3 records on my PS3 all while draws breath BBC1HD and More4 record on my Humax foxsat HDR.

Another added advantage of having a PS3 or I suppose an internet TV although I may be wrong on the internet TV, is that I can watch the RTE Player website as well as You tube among other sites and watch programs that mightn't be on FTA channels yet.

I presume that Saorview PVR boxes will soon be available as british freeview PVR boxes are currently available and I'm sure you could if you wanted, split the signal between your MPEG4 tv and PVR and so watch one channel while the PVR records one if not two other channels.

The great thing also about Play TV is it decodes the digital signal so if your TV is currently not Irish DTT ready MPEG4 you can watch all the current Irish DTT channels through it.

snaps

200motels wrote: »

That's all well and good, but as I've already said above I need Sky for Sky1 HD, and your set up leaves a lot to be desired. Most People want things simple and easy to use.

It is simple and easy to use! Oh well, you'll have to keep paying SKY Ireland for their service then unless you can get cable?

SRB

Deleted User wrote: »

I wouldnt mind but our beloved government transmit all our channels to the North and yet we get nothing in return except BBC 1 NI, BBC2 NI and BBC HD

Time to swap my Irish subs to a UK Subs.

They don't transmit all "your" channels to the North. RTE 1, 2 and TG4 are part of the basic Sky NI subscription package. TV3 isn't.
The BBC Channels are not encrypted, anyone can watch them, RTE is encrypted.
As has been mentioned elsewhere Sky pay BBC Worldwide to include the BBC channels in the Irish EPG, the BBC don't pay Sky.

_Kaiser_

200motels wrote: »

That's all well and good, but as I've already said above I need Sky for Sky1 HD, and your set up leaves a lot to be desired. Most People want things simple and easy to use.

You have a point.. an FTA system that replicates the Sky+ setup is still to complicated for the novice/average user so most will just stick with Sky and pay the (ever increasing) prices for less "hassle"

What's needed here is a box that will do HD, Freesat, terrestrial, and recording/dual channel functions in one with a easy-to-use EPG... and all at a decent (sub €200 I'd say) price point.
Bear in mind that very few Sky subscribers pay full price for their equipment upfront - most of the time it's a "free"/"reduced" upgrade that's then charged for over the year as part of the sub.

If you then add some enterprising installers who'll "do a deal" on such a box, dish and an aerial and you have a winner!

Until then Sky will continue to abuse their position as they have no reason not to!


Oh and as for Sky 1 HD.. While it's your money, I don't see anything that would be worth paying the extra €15 a month for, but thats me

Noley

These are some of the responses SKY have given in relation to this:

Sky Hi xxx, Appreciate the frustration but it's outside Sky's control, sorry. BBC1HD isn't available in Ireland is due to license and broadcasting restrictions. We are constantly working with the relevant parties to try and make this available, and hopefully we can bring this to all our customers at some point.

Sky It is a BBC decision. You will have to ask them, sorry.

Now if the World Cup was coming up and was only (or shared) on this channel, I think they might change thier minds. Why do you think we got BBCHD last year.... SKY trying to sell more HD boxes to Irish customers (so they could claim to have ALL WC matches in HD) who don't get the full range of channels and services for more cash than our UK counterparts... manual tuning just doesnt cut it for me with no SKY+ capabilities.

... and don't get me started about SKY Anytime+ :mad::mad::mad:

Minstrel27

You should reply. Dear Sky, as the BBC 1 HD channel isn't available in Ireland due to license and broadcasting restrictions, please cancel my account so I can watch BBC 1 HD on the default EPG for free.

I have never heard such bull**** in a long time. Irish viewers are unfortunate that BBC 1 HD didn't launch before the World Cup.

channelsurfer2

yes its more of the sky cr*p that they peddle while fleecing off the irish customers. licence issues translates into we(sky) dont want to pay bbchd(or channel4 hd) for the privilige despite taking 15euro a month for hd...

JDxtra

And it'll probably be €15.45/month from January as the UK VAT rate goes from 17.5% to 21%.