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Confused! Too many abbreviations!

  • 02-11-2010 9:29pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭


    I'm a recently qualified teacher and I'm still struggling to find work :(
    Besides the annoyance of schools advertising when there's no position or not having the courtesy to respond to you even after you've attended an interview the other thing that bothers me is all the abbreviations related to contracts and pay scale! I've tried to find out what they stand for and mean but its been an unsuccessful search. Any help in finding out what all these things mean would be greatly appreciated.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,397 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Well which ones do you mean??

    PWT - Permanent Whole Time: This is a permanent job, you're not going to see many of these around.

    PRPT - Pro-rata Part Time: This means that the hours are paid pro rata. As 22 hours is a full time position if you get a job for 11 hours you will be paid half of what you would be paid if you had full time hours. Your salary is determined as a fraction of the hours you work.

    CID: Contract of Indefinite Duration: Awarded after four years of continuous service in a school. It states a set amount of hours you are guaranteed to have each year from your fifth year onwards. The hours are determined by the number of hours you had on contract in your fourth year.

    The payscale: there is a thread stickied at the top of the forum, but in a nutshell, there are 25 points on the scale. If you have no qualifications you start on Point 1, if you have 3 years full time third level education you start on Point 2 and if you have 3 years full time third level education you start on Point 3. Most teachers start on point 3, and if they are teaching continually or teach a minimum number of hours over a school year (can't remember how many) you go up a point on the scale each year.

    There are also a number of allowances you are entitled to:
    1. For your PGDE/HDip there are two different rates, honours rate and pass rate depending on what your grade was in the dip.
    2. Your degree allowance: there are a variety of these, again you only get one from the list of pass degree/honours degree/pass masters/honours master/PhD. The higher your qualification the bigger the allowance.


    So starting off as a qualified teacher out of the PGDE on a contract for 22 hours with an Hons Degree and Hons PGDE

    http://www.tui.ie/Salary_Scales/Default.286.html#Common

    Point 3 on this scale is 33041


    http://www.tui.ie/Salary_Scales/Default.286.html#ACADEMIC

    HDip in Ed (1st/2nd Hons) 1236
    Primary Degree (1st/2nd Hons) 4918

    So theoretically if those are your qualifications and you land a full time job in your first year you will be paid 39195 :)

    However the reality is if you get 6 hours
    6/22 * 33041 = 9011

    Plus the two allowances = 15165 :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭lmullen


    Thank you very much! Any job would be a good job at the moment!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭MathsManiac


    However the reality is if you get 6 hours
    6/22 * 33041 = 9011

    Plus the two allowances = 15165 :(

    Are you sure about that pro-rata calculation? I would have assumed the allowances would be added to your point on the scale first to find your full time rate and then the fraction applied to the total.

    6/22 * 39115 = 10667 :(:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭MathsManiac


    Perhaps it might be an idea for a helpful mod to start a sticky on acronyms used in education in Ireland.


    PWT, TWT, EPT, PRPT, CID is only the start of it! What about:
    VEC, ASTI, TUI, JMB, NAPD, ...
    LC, JC, LCA, LCVP, JCSP, SPHE, RSE, CSPE, ...
    NCCA, SEC, DES, PDST (=SLSS+PPDS!), ...
    HDE, PGDE, ...

    Anyone would be confused, even if they weren't, like the OP, an RQT still STFW!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,397 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Are you sure about that pro-rata calculation? I would have assumed the allowances would be added to your point on the scale first to find your full time rate and then the fraction applied to the total.

    6/22 * 39115 = 10667 :(:(

    I don't know to be honest. I've always been on full time hours. I assumed that you got the degree and dip allowance anyway. Either way it's not a lot of money. :(


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