Ministers Fit for Purpose

browler

In an era, where everybodies job is under threat. It is interesting to see which of our ministers is "Fit for Purpose". With just these facts at your disposal, see who you would you be letting go this Friday.

Lenny Lovett

Not and Accountant, Entrepreneur or Financial mind between them. That figures!

You could clear the lot of 'em out as far as I'm concerned. I don't think any are fit for purpose....

bamboozle

browler wrote: »

In an era, where everybodies job is under threat. It is interesting to see which of our ministers is "Fit for Purpose". With just these facts at your disposal, see who you would you be letting go this Friday.

You've forgotten Pat Carey and Tony Kileen - suprise suprise both of whom were teachers prior to becomming TD's.
6 teacher's in our front bench yet not one of them is Minister for Education.

browler

According to the oireachtas.ie, Pat Carey and Tony Kileen are Ministers of State with special responsibilities so that is why they were left of the list.

My first immediate dismissal is Mr. Martin Cullen.

the groutch

bamboozle wrote: »

6 teacher's in our front bench yet not one of them is Minister for Education.

and they give the Education portfolio to the most inept of them all

Sgt. Bilko 09

Emonn Ryan Tour operate his qualification will come in handy when he could give us a grand tour of a local rubbish dump and in his key notes he could say this is were ireland future will be seen as not one minister is properly qualified for the position there in excpet for lenihan.

BUT

even he's not the brightest lamp on the street

paulaa

Sgt. Bilko 09 wrote: »

Emonn Ryan Tour operate his qualification will come in handy when he could give us a grand tour of a local rubbish dump and in his key notes he could say this is were ireland future will be seen as not one minister is properly qualified for the position there in excpet for lenihan.

BUT

even he's not the brightest lamp on the street

Law does not qualify you to run the finances of a country.

senordingdong

This bother me too, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter.

They spend billions on 'advisors' who are educated in their fields, to inform and guide them.

token56

Mary Coughlan would be the first to go under any criteria imo, she is just plain useless.

I still shudder at the thought of her being the Taoiseach, even for a short while, should something happen to Mr Cowen.

PCPhoto

senordingdong wrote: »

This bother me too, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter.

They spend billions on 'advisors' who are educated in their fields, to inform and guide them.

so why are the advisors not running the country !!!

Sgt. Bilko 09

I know never said it did i was just saying he LOOKS like a smart lad.

I wonder if everyone is prepared for the choas when this budget comes out all cuts to try save the state but no spend bit weird coming from a guy that has no notion of finance only due to his former position in which he balls up too hence the position were in now.

Bertie has blamed himself for down turn but refuses to give up his s-class mercedes and wants the garda driver due to protection reseasons according to the irish times. This is the guy who wants to be president.

flutered

barely qualified to lead blind men to a public lav.

bmaxi

I can't really see what relevance somebody's former profession has on how they perform as a Cabinet Minister. There is no reason to believe that Michael O'Leary or Tony O'Reilly wouldn't be equally as **** as Cabinet Ministers as Cowen and Coughlan and I'd bet Coughlan would be just as useless in Education, if she'd been Provost of Trinity.
The whole problem with the political system is, people are chosen to fill top positions purely on their value to the system and the party, not the country. This applies universally in the public service. I'm confident you could trawl through any department and find top civil servants who wouldn't get a message boy's job in the private sector.

paulaa

senordingdong wrote: »

This bother me too, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter.

They spend billions on 'advisors' who are educated in their fields, to inform and guide them.

It seems that their advisors are not good either as they have spent millions bringing in more advisors from abroad to advise our advisors.

CrankyCod

bmaxi wrote: »

The whole problem with the political system is, people are chosen to fill top positions purely on their value to the system and the party, not the country. This applies universally in the public service. I'm confident you could trawl through any department and find top civil servants who wouldn't get a message boy's job in the private sector.

There are plenty of people in the public service who are well qualifed and work hard; the public service ethos is still flickering in some parts of the country, but continous bashing of public sectors workers will kill it off.

The only task politicians have succeeded at in the last few years is the attempt to turn private and public sector workers against each other, instead of identifying the real culprits: themselves and their cronies.

senordingdong

PCPhoto wrote: »

so why are the advisors not running the country !!!

Because they weren't elected to do so I guess.

bmaxi

CrankyCod wrote: »

There are plenty of people in the public service who are well qualifed and work hard; the public service ethos is still flickering in some parts of the country, but continous bashing of public sectors workers will kill it off.

The only task politicians have succeeded at in the last few years is the attempt to turn private and public sector workers against each other, instead of identifying the real culprits: themselves and their cronies.

I am not suggesting there are no committed people in the Public service, what I suggested was, promotion in the Public service is not always merit based.

jmayo

browler wrote: »

According to the oireachtas.ie, Pat Carey and Tony Kileen are Ministers of State with special responsibilities so that is why they were left of the list.

My first immediate dismissal is Mr. Martin Cullen.

Good God. :mad:
How many people around here who are sounding off about politics actually have an effing clue about Irish politics or are they just tuning into the lastest shockjocks.
No wonder ff won so many bleeding elections.

martin cullen has not been a minister nor a TD for that matter for the last 8 months and his resignaiton is the reason there is need for a by election in Waterford.

Tony Killeen was promoted to keep Mid West happy when that other Mid West luminary willie "slanderer" o'dea was axed and he is a full minister as he has been minister for Defense since last March.

ednwireland

what amazes me that somone on the salary of
Tánaiste and Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment, Mary Coughlan

has this declared ain the register of members interests

COUGHLAN, Mary (Donegal South-West)

1. Occupational Income …….. Nil

2. Shares …………………….. Nil

3. Directorships……………… Nil

4. Land ……………………… Nil

5. Gifts ……………………… Nil

6. Property and Service …….. Nil

7. Travel Facilities ………….. Nil

8. Remunerated Position ……. Nil

9. Contracts …………………. Nil


what the hell is she doing with all that money

bmaxi

paulaa wrote: »

It seems that their advisors are not good either as they have spent millions bringing in more advisors from abroad to advise our advisors.

It's a never ending spiral. To paraphrase the old Latin adage "Who will advise the advisors?"
The Cabinet is entrusted with the running of the country for the good of all, that is the basis of democracy, unfortunately, theory and practice are rarely the same.
The current Cabinet, regardless to their education or background, runs the country for vested interests. I have no reason to believe this will be any different with the next Government. The vested interests may differ but until the people can be shaken out of apathy the system will remain the same.
One thing we can be sure of, when this Government falls, Brian Cowen will spend his last days as Taoiseach appointing every available political hack to every available board or quango that he can find, just as John Bruton did and on it goes.

flutered

so we have advisers advising advisers, herein lies the question, are the first lot qualified to advise, if so has their advise taken, one then has to ask the question has the advise of the second lot been taken, to me it looks like the politicians has all these people, but they only use what they think they like as long as it fits in with what they think themselves.

bleg

Our Minister for Science isn't a scientist either.


For 10 years they've been talking about the smart economy, research and decelopment yet when the largest scientific experiment in the world is happening on our doorstep in France/Switzerland they don't even sign up to CERN.

bmaxi

bleg wrote: »

Our Minister for Science isn't a scientist either.

Judging by some of his cock ups, our Minister for Science barely qualifies as being compos mentis.

Lenny Lovett

bmaxi wrote: »

Judging by some of his cock ups, our Minister for Science barely qualifies as being compos mentis.

But, but... isn't that why Fás were sending the Bricklayers over to NASA? So they could learn about.... Science... and stuff And the bosses could all fly over to...er... "Supervise" them...

goose2005

token56 wrote: »

Mary Coughlan would be the first to go under any criteria imo, she is just plain useless.

I still shudder at the thought of her being the Taoiseach, even for a short while, should something happen to Mr Cowen.

Ireland doesn't work that way, if the Taoiseach dies the Dail elects a new one.

the groutch

goose2005 wrote: »

Ireland doesn't work that way, if the Taoiseach dies the Dail elects a new one.

FF would probably still vote her in, sure they voted in Brian Cow-man

spdmrphy

goose2005 wrote: »

Ireland doesn't work that way, if the Taoiseach dies the Dail elects a new one.

He wouldn't necessarily have to die. Sure didn't we end up with Cowen after Bertie sauntered off?

senordingdong

Personally I'd rather Cowan didn't die.

The last thing we need is for people to start feeling sorry for him, or dare I say it, make some sort of martyr out of him.

flutered

senordingdong wrote: »

Personally I'd rather Cowan didn't die.

The last thing we need is for people to start feeling sorry for him, or dare I say it, make some sort of martyr out of him.

them guys need to be treated like the cat that schits under the kitchen table.

senordingdong

flutered wrote: »

them guys need to be treated like the cat that schits under the kitchen table.

Put out in the garden?

flutered

senordingdong wrote: »

Put out in the garden?

how would the majority of people deal with the said cat,
make a fitter out of him, give him a boot in the ares and he would make a bolt for the door.

unit 1

browler wrote: »

In an era, where everybodies job is under threat. It is interesting to see which of our ministers is "Fit for Purpose". With just these facts at your disposal, see who you would you be letting go this Friday.

It'd hard to pick, they're all politicians.:D