Der Sonntag Spiegel

ei.sdraob

I never thought I say it (after Alison's ****e ) but has the Sindo really gone overboard this time?

Brendan O'Connor: Ve haf vays of making you cut

Comparing Germany's leader to Adolf Hitler? a "cead mile willkommen" to our new German overlords?? dust off my lederhosen :eek:???
It seems this national newspaper has resorted to a form of journalism called "trolling", throw some **** out of the pram and see what sticks :P

Rebelheart

I detest that rag and all the dregs of Irish society who work for it, and buy it. In terms of quality it has only ever gone downwards.

Its values are repugnant to any self-respecting civil society.

peasant

It's about time someone found a few newer clichees ...Nazis, Adolf and Lederhosen are getting very tiresome.

But then again ...ye have always been a backward little country

That "paper" is a complete rag. Between alison talking about "lederhosen -wearing tenant applicants" and yer man there... :rolleyes:

ei.sdraob

bluewolf wrote: »

That "paper" is a complete rag. Between alison talking about "lederhosen -wearing tenant applicants" and yer man there... :rolleyes:

They actually deleted her article from the website about her adventures in looking for a housemate :eek:.
The one with German in lederhosen talking about the Fatherland and sex crazy Swedish couple.
Does anyone have this in paper form? it was really funny. Future generations deserve to read and laugh at her.


Anyways Brendan O'Connor is no saint himself. 3 years later I wonder how many of these "smart ballsy guys" have their personal NAMA managers

ParkRunner

ei.sdraob wrote: »

Anyways Brendan O'Connor is no saint himself. 3 years later I wonder how many of these "smart ballsy guys" have their personal NAMA managers

Jesus you would think the Sindo would have fired him for being wrong in every sense for that article alone. Yet he is still making front page appearances in that rag. No accountability it seems and very poor standards!

Nodin

EF wrote: »

Jesus you would think the Sindo would have fired him for being wrong in every sense for that article alone. Yet he is still making front page appearances in that rag. No accountability it seems and very poor standards!

He's the editor of the magazine....

Lenny Lovett

It's fairly ignorant ill-thought out tosh alright. You can't really expect much better from O'Connor though can you? He's a bit of a clown at the best of times.

fontanalis

Nodin wrote: »

He's the editor of the magazine....

Isn't there also family connections to the rag through his wife?
Unbelievable, O'Connor represents everything wrong with the country.
Alison O'Riordan got a lot of flack for less. Any chance of a similar photo shop thread for O'Connor?

Nodin

fontanalis wrote: »

Isn't there also family connections to the rag through his wife?
Unbelievable, O'Connor represents everything wrong with the country.
Alison O'Riordan got a lot of flack for less. Any chance of a similar photo shop thread for O'Connor?

"photo shop thread".....???

fontanalis

There was one in one of the After Hours sub forums based on O'Riordans negative equity articles. With O'Connors mutton head there would be great potential.

Nodin

I missed that one, funny enough.

Nate--IRL--

ei.sdraob wrote: »

They actually deleted her article from the website about her adventures in looking for a housemate :eek:.
The one with German in lederhosen talking about the Fatherland and sex crazy Swedish couple.
Does anyone have this in paper form? it was really funny. Future generations deserve to read and laugh at her.


Anyways Brendan O'Connor is no saint himself. 3 years later I wonder how many of these "smart ballsy guys" have their personal NAMA managers

The Sindos massive full page apology for, IMO, Alison's plagiarism in that article.

http://twitpic.com/32kfl7

Nate

ei.sdraob

Nate--IRL-- wrote: »

The Sindos massive full page apology for, IMO, Alison's plagiarism in that article.

http://twitpic.com/32kfl7

Nate

Wow, so she was finally caught for plagiarising!
Now only if they stop publishing the same rehashed stories of her "imprisonment" and hand her a p45, the world would be a better place

Einhard

Rebelheart wrote: »

I detest that rag and all the dregs of Irish society who work for it, and buy it. In terms of quality it has only ever gone downwards.

Its values are repugnant to any self-respecting civil society.

Oh get over yourself you sanctimonious snob. Jesus, I hate this intellectual snobbery and downright intolerance that permeates boards when it comes to the media, and especially towards those who may have different opinions within the media. It seems that people can't merely disagree with the content of an article, or a journalist's musings anymore, but rather have to launch into personalised diatribes and abuse in order to stoke their own self righteousness. And now it's descended to abusing those who happen to buy and read those newspapers. My parents have bought the Sindo every week for years now, and I can assure you that neither of them represent the "dregs of society". Whatever happened to respectful disagreement in this country anyway? I nearly fell of my stool the other day when, in a thread on Myers, a poster stated that, while he didn't agree with Myers' articles in general, he didn't think that any reason to actively hate the man. What a novelty! An ability to strongly disagree with the views of another, without lowering oneself to abuse and ad hominem attack! I'd suggest that you try it sometimes, rather than stoop to such vicious slander of those who don't happen to share you opinion.

jock101

Well after the pain and damage the Germans have caused to Europe and the wider World twice in the last 100 years. The Germans should be seen and not heard!:mad:

Einhard

jock101 wrote: »

Well after the pain and damage the Germans have caused to Europe and the wider World twice in the last 100 years. The Germans should seen and not heard!:mad:

Right, so when we go to them with the begging bowl come January, let's be sure to tell them that shall we?:rolleyes:

jock101

Einhard wrote: »

Right, so when we go to them with the begging bowl come January, let's be sure to tell them that shall we?:rolleyes:

I personally don't want anything from them, they can take there blood money and stick it up there Reich! I'd rather be poor then be in debt to that crowd!:mad:

PeterIanStaker

Didnt even click the link. O'Connor is only a worthless buffoon writing for an incoherent rag. Why people still buy it is beyond me, unless its for some comedic value that I fail to appreciate. Also, I could nearly guarantee you that we won't see that smug git and his fellow scribblers getting pay cuts.

Einhard

jock101 wrote: »

I personally don't want anything from them, they can take there blood money and stick it up there Reich! I'd rather be poor then be in debt to that crowd!:mad:

So you'd rather that the health system collapses causing the deaths of thousands. You'd prefer to see crime soar as government runs out of money to pay for the police. You'd like to see flights in and out of Ireland curtailed and cancelled because we don't have the funds to maintain essential systems, or pay air traffic controllers. You'd approve of the elderly and vulnerable starving in their houses, or freezing to death throughout the winter, because the money to pay pensions and essential subsidies isn't there. You wish to see all economic activity in the country slowly grind to a halt as the banks run out of money to lend, and consumers run out of money to spend. You'd see Ireland utterly destroyed because you dislike the Germans, who have always acknowledged and accepted total responsibility for their actions in the middle of the last century. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face...

bcmf

I dont like the paper so I dont buy it. Simple as!

Einhard

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

Didnt even click the link. O'Connor is only a worthless buffoon writing for an incoherent rag. Why people still buy it is beyond me, unless its for some comedic value that I fail to appreciate. Also, I could nearly guarantee you that we won't see that smug git and his fellow scribblers getting pay cuts.

As a shark smells blood in the water from vast distances, PIStaker sniffs out an Independent bashing thread from across the far reaches of the internet! Surprised it took you so long to turn up!

BTW: http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1218/independent.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jan/14/nuj-rejects-irish-independent-pay-cuts

How much was that wager again?!;)

PeterIanStaker

Einhard wrote: »

As a shark smells blood in the water from vast distances, PIStaker sniffs out an Independent bashing thread from acorss the far reaches of the internet! Surprised it took you so long to turn up!

BTW: http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1218/independent.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jan/14/nuj-rejects-irish-independent-pay-cuts

How much was that wager again?!;)

What can I say, dude, I just gotta keep sniping at them! :cool:
I like the shark comparison, dang why can ya only thank once?

jock101

Einhard wrote: »

So you'd rather that the health system collapses causing the deaths of thousands. You'd prefer to see crime soar as government runs out of money to pay for the police. You'd like to see flights in and out of Ireland curtailed and cancelled because we don't have the funds to maintain essential systems, or pay air traffic controllers. You'd approve of the elderly and vulnerable starving in their houses, or freezing to death throughout the winter, because the money to pay pensions and essential subsidies isn't there. You wish to see all economic activity in the country slowly grind to a halt as the banks run out of money to lend, and consumers run out of money to spend. You'd see Ireland utterly destroyed because you dislike the Germans, who have always acknowledged and accepted total responsibility for their actions in the middle of the last century. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face...

And you think Merkel and her Henchmen, are going to pay for Paddy's Health service and State Security! That's why her and that Napoleon want a be, Sarkoszy! are trying to change the conditions of the Lisbon Treaty!:rolleyes:

Einhard

jock101 wrote: »

And you think Merkel and her Henchmen, are going to pay for Paddy's Health service and State Security! That's why her and that Napoleon want a be, Sarkoszy! are trying to change the conditions of the Lisbon Treaty!:rolleyes:

Ummm, they are paying for it.

Shea O'Meara

O'Connor started out as a two-bit comedian....he's remained true to form. Getting a job as a journalist through connection does not instantly make you a decent writer regardless of your views.
The Indo and RTE are rife with such talentless examples...no news there.
It's unfortunate these bufoons get a forum but at the end of the day they are of no importance.
Last I read the Indo it was choc full of them talking about themselves i.e. pals they met clubbing or a whole spread on a dinner party they held with upper middle class **** wits who were supposed to be a slice of Irish people of note......soon stopped reading it and that was some years ago.

Euro_Kraut

jock101 wrote: »

I personally don't want anything from them, they can take there blood money and stick it up there Reich! I'd rather be poor then be in debt to that crowd!:mad:

Right, well you better leave Ireland then.



See ya.

Boskowski

jock101 wrote: »

I personally don't want anything from them, they can take there blood money and stick it up there Reich! I'd rather be poor then be in debt to that crowd!:mad:

What's your beef Jock? Bitter much? Been in any of those wars yourself?

Boskowski

Some neck that O'Connor guy. So calling for getting your act together and not bringing the Eurozone on the brink of ruins by pissing money into the wind as if it grew on trees puts Merkel into the same bracket with Hitler now.

Sure Mr. O'Connor would rather continue to celebrate the proven approach of smartarsed gombeenism for another 10 years. I wonder where that will get us.

Boskowski

jock101 wrote: »

Well after the pain and damage the Germans have caused to Europe and the wider World twice in the last 100 years. The Germans should be seen and not heard!:mad:

Hey, we won the World Cup three times since. Does that not count for anything?

Rebelheart

Einhard wrote: »

Oh get over yourself you sanctimonious snob. Jesus, I hate this intellectual snobbery and downright intolerance that permeates boards when it comes to the media, and especially towards those who may have different opinions within the media.

So, go on: defend that Sunday Independent rag with something rational. Can you?

Interesting, though, that you contend that if somebody believes that it is a rag - which by any standard it most assuredly is - they must be a "sanctimonious snob" and an "intellectual snob" because they detest the superficial trash, the frivolous inane and pompous articles, the nepotistic connections of half of the writers, the West Brit bitterness of the Dudley-Edwards and Harris sorts, and the insulting promotion of their self-made "celebrities" and other trite shallow rubbish.

How unsurprising that the same paper is now importing xenophobic British nationalist anti-German sentiment and stereotypes into the Irish media. And people like you deem this worthy enough to be financially supported. And if anybody opposes your views they are "intellectual snobs". As I said, the Sunday Independent is tabloid trash packaged for the lowest common denominator audience in Irish society.

Rebelheart

jock101 wrote: »

Well after the pain and damage the Germans have caused to Europe and the wider World twice in the last 100 years. The Germans should be seen and not heard!:mad:

jock101 wrote: »

I personally don't want anything from them, they can take there blood money and stick it up there Reich! I'd rather be poor then be in debt to that crowd!:mad:

Words fail me. Rather than engage in a tabloidesque xenophobic rant against Europe's leading power, you should be down on your knees thanking Germany for saving your economy, particularly your car companies, your bus and rail companies and, well, so many other areas of the British economy. While the British were spending their Marshall Aid handouts of billions on the pretence of being a world power, the Germans ploughed their money into making their country the industrial powerhouse of Europe. No need to be bitter about it. Accept your intellectual superiors.

The country of BMW, Porsche, Mercedes, Beethoven and Bach just sounds like something for all progressive people to aspire to.

Boskowski

Rebelheart wrote: »

The country of BMW, Porsche, Mercedes, Beethoven and Bach just sounds like something for all progressive people to aspire to.

ye I don't know about 'aspiring to'. If we could just cut the crap and get on with each other and not get stuck in xenophobic stereotyping that would be good enough for me.

There is an expression in the German language that is used when someone makes a very lame and very old joke that was heard a thousand times before. It translates like 'the beard on this one is soooo long'. That's all I can think of when I hear these kinds of sentiments being uttered in English speaking media. This isn't appropriate for quite some time now. It isn't funny for an even longer time. All it does is it makes people still carrying on like this look like somewhat blunt simpletons.

Can't believe an Irish paper is lowering itself down to that level tbh.

Einhard

Rebelheart wrote: »

So, go on: defend that Sunday Independent rag with something rational. Can you?

Interesting, though, that you contend that if somebody believes that it is a rag - which by any standard it most assuredly is - they must be a "sanctimonious snob" and an "intellectual snob" because they detest the superficial trash, the frivolous inane and pompous articles, the nepotistic connections of half of the writers, the West Brit bitterness of the Dudley-Edwards and Harris sorts, and the insulting promotion of their self-made "celebrities" and other trite shallow rubbish.

How unsurprising that the same paper is now importing xenophobic British nationalist anti-German sentiment and stereotypes into the Irish media. And people like you deem this worthy enough to be financially supported. And if anybody opposes your views they are "intellectual snobs". As I said, the Sunday Independent is tabloid trash packaged for the lowest common denominator audience in Irish society.

I don't seek to defend the Sindo Rebelheart. Indeed, I think most reasonable people would be hard pressed to defend that article, and the paper itself can certainly be criticised, and justifiably so. What I do defend though is the notion of common decency, and the rather quaint idea that one can disagree with others, despair of their habits and beliefs, and yet do so with some sense of courtesy. I know that the internet can form something of an echo chamber, where opinions morph from subjective perception into objective reality, but to spew forth the vitriol that everyone who reads a certain paper is amongst the very "dregs of society" is vile. And it is snobbery of the worst kind. It is elevating your own opinion to the point where those who happen to disagree with you become personal targets for vicious attack and slander. I don't care what paper you read, hatefully attacking whole sections of society because their reading habits differ from yours is quite simply wrong, and sanctimonious to boot.

Rebelheart

For anybody who would like to make a complaint about this Brendan O Connor guy's article to the Office of the Press Ombudsman, you can do so here:
http://www.pressombudsman.ie/making-a-complaint.24.html

The complaint must be based on a belief that the article writer has breached the 'Code of Practice' under which all news organisations in this state operate. The relevant breach can be found in:

'Principle 8 − Prejudice

Newspapers and periodicals shall not publish material intended or likely to cause grave offence or stir up hatred against an individual or group on the basis of their race, religion, nationality, colour, ethnic origin, membership of the travelling community, gender, sexual orientation, marital status, disability, illness or age.'

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If we don't register our objections now we can be sure that all sorts of retarded morons will come out of the woodwork to scapegoat an entire people (Germans this week; who next?). Let British nationalists fight their xenophobic 'sore loser' anti-German battles in their tabloids. This has no place in Irish society.

jock101

Rebelheart wrote: »

Words fail me. Rather than engage in a tabloidesque xenophobic rant against Europe's leading power, you should be down on your knees thanking Germany for saving your economy, particularly your car companies, your bus and rail companies and, well, so many other areas of the British economy. While the British were spending their Marshall Aid handouts of billions on the pretence of being a world power, the Germans ploughed their money into making their country the industrial powerhouse of Europe. No need to be bitter about it. Accept your intellectual superiors.

The country of BMW, Porsche, Mercedes, Beethoven and Bach just sounds like something for all progressive people to aspire to.

Don't forget War Mongering!;)

As history shows to be a fact!

oscarBravo

Moved from Politics.

Euro_Kraut

O'Connor has been writing weak articles for years. This is another. However in this instance he is being borderline racist. Invoking Nazism and WW2 on a discussion on EU bailouts for this country is unacceptable to any reasonably minded Irish person.

Germany is a very different place now and has been more than helpful to Ireland over the past 30 years of EU membership. You would think that they actually enjoying using their taxpayers money to pay for reckless EU states. O'Connor equating of tightend fiscal rules with German imperialism is extremely lazy and definitely hackneyed.

Rabble Rabble

he writes very well though.

In recent months, some people have asked why we couldn't be more like the Greeks, out killing each other on the streets over cutbacks, or like the French, who did not take the outrage of being forced to work beyond 60 lying down.

But it seems the new mantra of our politicians is going to be that we need to be more like the Germans -- logical and disciplined in pursuit of the ultimate goal.

Quite.

I see the ECB as responsible for the Irish love of debt - if you run a central bank for sclerotic Germany from 2001-2010 its not all that surprising that people think that property never falls, and debt is a good thing in countries which are less sclerotic . While interest rates are -2% debt is a good thing, at least short term debt is. You pay back less than you borrow, short term.

THE ECB caused the problems in the Reich's periphery, now they should solve it.

Nate--IRL--

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

he writes very well though.



Quite.

I see the ECB as responsible for the Irish love of debt - if you run a central bank for sclerotic Germany from 2001-2010 its not all that surprising that people think that property never falls, and debt is a good thing in countries which are less sclerotic . While interest rates are -2% debt is a good thing, at least short term debt is. You pay back less than you borrow, short term.

THE ECB caused the problems in the Reich's periphery, now they should solve it.

And of course the Irish government were powerless to raise the relevant taxes during this time to curb such reckless behaviour.

Nate

ei.sdraob

Nate--IRL-- wrote: »

And of course the Irish government were powerless to raise the relevant taxes during this time to curb such reckless behaviour.

Nate

The Canadian government/regulator has proven that they can manage to diffuse a bubble using other means beside the rate, like taxes and removing incentives

imagine that a government that governs

our gombeens have no leg to stand on, they are trying hard to deflect the blame and its seems few gullible's are picking up on it.