Illuminati symbolism in the Music Industry

Yitzhak Rabin

Ok so I'll go first....




Title: Satanic/NWO Imagery in the Entertainment Industry

Timespan: At least as early as the 1960s

Introduction: For unclear reasons the entertainment industry, in particular the music industry, has become littered with imagery which is representative of the NWO/Illuminati. These symbols include "the all seeing eye", the pyramid of illumination, the satanic god baphomet, and other imagery consistent with the NWO.

The Conspiracy

There has long been an association with the music industry and satanism. Some of it is down to the prudish 1940s and 1950s generation being overly concerned about the strange music their kids started to listen to in the 1960s and 70s. However, maybe there is something to it?

For the purposes of keeping this to one post, I am only going to speak about contemporary artists, however, it is not a new phenomenon.

In todays music scene some of the biggest and hottest artists, who seem to have the most dedicated fans are people like; Beyoncé, Jay Z, Eminem, Rihanna, Pink, Lady Gaga etc. However, I believe their music videos, album covers, and live performances all contain elements of Illuminati imagery. The most well recognised and accepted image of the NWO is the all seeing eye, and the pyramid of illumination. This is the image you will find on the back of a one dollar bill.



So do we see imagery like this by the stars I mentioned?
Absolutely...










There are literally tons more pics, and in a follow up post when I have a small bit more time I intend to include them.

Then there is also the lyrics of artists, where they make direct reference to the NWO or Illuminati....

Jay Z - D'Evils "Dear God, I wonder can you save me? Illuminati want my mind, soul and body. Dear God, I wonder can you save me? Secret society, tryin' to keep an eye on me"

Tupac - They don't give a **** about us "Some say they expect the illuminati to take my body to sleep"

Dr. Dre - Been there done that - "So if money is the root, I want the whole damn tree... I aint sticking around waiting with the illuminati"

Oynx - Last Dayz - "Gather up all your arms, and get ready for this New World Order. **** about to change around here!"

Black Eyed Peas - "We are slowly being slaughtered, get ready for this New World Order!"

Eminem - Make Yourself - "Make me a king, as we move towards this New World Order"

Again, just a tiny sample... there are loads more, which I hope to include in a follow up post.

Motivations:

Here is one part of the theory where I draw a blank. I don't see why they are doing this?

There are a few different reasons which have been suggested to me. One is that they are conditioning people to accept the NWO with the use of this type of imagery. Another is that they like to flaunt their power by inserting symbols in plain sight. Many government agencies have the same type of images, but thats a theory for another day.

Conclusion

I have not reached any definite conclusions. I think that the imagery is definitely being inserted. The reason are unclear. Whether the artists themselves are simply pawns going along with it and don't know, or whether they are actively involved in including the NWO imagery is also unclear.

I think it is an interesting topic, but don't really know what to think about it all

References

The best video series I have seen about it is this one. There are loads of parts to it, and it is definitely worth a watch. Some of the stuff is a bit OTT, but I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DikoLMfnEgE

Interesting Threads

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055821793&highlight=rihanna

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055654211&highlight=rihanna

IceMaiden

I did read & follow the original thread on this topic, unfortunately its not possible for myself to view the video links & so can only go from the stills & text of what’s contributed.
From my point at this time if anything is truly going on then it may not be on one level, wheels with-in wheels so to speak, however it could be little more than publicity or high jinks by people involved behind the scenes with the artists. You can never know who is saying what to who exactly,
its could be just how people are.

The way of peoples beliefs is important to them, its why they behave so..
However these artists must realise some of what they are suggesting
Every star artist has a team of people involved at various levels , its doubtful they are all unaware.

When more questions come to mind than answers its because so much information could be missing.
Its depending on what is being looked for. to what we may find
Do these photos come just as images taken from videos & if so are they officially selected as still.
Or is it they have been selected to point out some relevant item.
What is said by there management team of these suggestions I wander.
Some things have been about for years. hidden from the masses but seen by the few.

So these artists undoubtedly have a list of published/released songs .
Obviously some have possibly more albums than others, depending on age/popularity etc.
Now however to get some type of fix on depth if something is going on then I would think each artists total material would need to be examined x amount of lyrics in x amount of songs suggesting [NWO/ILLUMINATI etc]
Masonic symbolism is not totally Illuminati symbolism, admittedly any group can take or use any symbols they choose, but to truly convey a message Not all is often as it seems For instance taking the top picture & the second picture down, yes they both have similar symbols but the top one is illuminati with the eye or ellipse in the centre of the triangle, the second picture is similar image of illumination, but not the same & see no reason why they should be using 2 similar to convey the same message.. Perhaps just because its possible for a person to belong to more than one organisation or because some organisations hold a number of people who also belong to other groups the signs get misused or become easily interchangeable.

IceMaiden

If its is genuine or deliberately playing on the publics attention I would think either various lyrics or album covers & sleeve notes would occasionally reinforce any illuminati messages , are there any Ambigrams or inclusions to the four elements or sacred numbers etc. As was mentioned the passing of messages has been about for a long time from architecture, paintings ,poems & songs etc, the trying to decide what is really being said as apposed to only seeing what may be a decoy is the craft.
Remember many of these mysteries carry more than a single code & a number remain unsolved after much research by a number of amateurs & professionals Rosslyn/Roslin & Rennes le chateau to name two. The music world has long been involved in other matters like Mozarts,the magic flute or John. p. Sousa the crusader [march] including Masonic music & nobles of the mystic shrine &the Run DMC video its tricky is said to include 32nd degree Scottish rite hat, Melancholia Records company involved mostly what are termed black metal artists how genuine or not they all are I have little idea but it’s a name that can link to both music & on the other side of the coin to art Melancholia I a picture that is loaded with various symbolism by Albrecht Dürer .The second picture here & the sixth are similar but not the same! im left wandering is this by design or ignorance of the clothes maker/designer

All the photos have various translations of colour or body language that could be used in deciphering a message the one of pink looks to be depicting masonry initiation. Not so in-line with the others.

Some suggested Lyrics of Incubus picture your face at the back of my eyes,
A fire in the attic, a proof of the prize! Wait… there is a light… there is a fire…
Illuminated attic. Fate. Or something better? I couldn’t care less,
Just stay with me a while. Wait… there is a light… there is a fire,
That this sphere upon which I reside, Whatever helps you swallow the truth, The closed eye of the sleep machine/And when we finally see the subtle light, this quirk in evolution will begin, to let us live and recreate/You’re the human magic marker, won’t you ,please surprise my eyes? I’m sick of painting in black and white/
Are you gonna stand around till 2012 A.D.?The time has past for hand-me-downs,choose a new, please evolve, take flight.

Of course some just sold out to old nick or did they !!!!!!!!

I went down to the crossroad
fell down on my knees
Asked the lord above "Have mercy now
save poor Bob if you please"
Yeeooo, standin at the crossroad
--
Didn't nobody seem to know me babe
everybody pass me by
Standin at the crossroad babe
risin sun goin down

---

Early this mornin', ooh
When you knocked upon my door
And I said, "Hello Satan,
I believe it's time to go."

Robert Johnson some tell of his deal with the Devil at a crossroads
"King of the Delta Blues ",

CiaranMT

I don't see any real conspiracy with this, apart from making money in some subversive way. Though, if it's your thing, here's Kanye's new video. Had a good chuckle at it myself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L53gjP-TtGE

pablo_escobar

I was interested in the Rihanna song 'Umbrella' because I remember how stupid it sounded "ella ella eh eh eh under my umbrella"

After seeing some videos alleging worship of satan in the video for 'Umbrella', i'm still not convinced TBH.

'Rain Man' can apparently refer to a wealthy man who throws money at strippers and I think Jay Z with other rappers repeat it for that reason, they see themselves as 'rock-a-fellas'

Years ago they would use 'Player', now it's 'Rain Man' ..all the same meaning, someone mega rich.

Jay Z mentions 'Rain Man' at the start of the song but I don't think it has any significance with the rest of the track. He just added in that nonsense to attract his regular fans. He didn't write any of the main song lyrics, music or video.

'Umbrella' (apart from keeping the rain off you) is a metaphor in the song for looking after someone.

When the musicians sit down to write a song, they rarely think of what the video will be like, that's usually left to the director - in this case Chris Applebaum.

The main goal of the musicians and writers is to write a good hook which will be annoyingly easy to recall.."ella ella eh eh eh Umbrella" - it's rubbish but many people will easily remember it.

Also, the pictures with Jay Z making a triangle symbol look more like a joke on us than anything else.

He's probably thinking "let's make a triangle symbol for a laugh"

That said, If I had kids, I wouldn't allow them to watch crap music videos like this.

Lady Gaga and Crazy Frog are considered amazing musicians todays modern age...

joebucks

Big owl chain around Kanye's neck- Bohemian Grove/ Molech reference?

The sign Jay-z puts up is supposed to be a diamond not a pyramid.

My name is URL

It could just be video and stage producers / choreographers etc who include the symbols because they know people will recognise them. Many painters, architects etc use something called the Golden Ratio in designs to make them more aesthetically pleasing. Maybe the inclusion of symbols in videos is a modern version of that?

Torakx

Id like to add also there is some legitimate conspiracy theories relating to handlers of alot of these stars including britney spears, madonna,christina aguilera etc
I posted a google video probably in the satan worshipers thread which goes into detail about britneys breakdown and some toher famous stars who were obviously under extreme pressure and in some cases split personality recorded on video.This all ties in together and if you reseach as i have and read all these threads(with an understanding of trauma and mind control) you need to willingly blind yourself not to see something sinister is being done to these people and the masses soaking up the material projected out to the world to hear and see and feel.
Look at groups popping up like emo's,goths, for example.Now even more subsections are popping up like straight edge and so on.
It is all linked, society IS being changed due to mass media.To what is the big question.I know it looks ugly as hell and it isnt going to be stopped before the s%^t hits the fan.
Be ready cause it will be a classic in a similar vein as the 1914 rising of powers id imagine.
I have researched enough to not really need to bother with this stuff.I will be sitting back enjoying MY life and watching everyone else freak out or be guided unconsciously.
Im alot more skeptical recently but some things are just too obvious its laughable..this to me is one of those things.

Torakx

joebucks wrote: »

Big owl chain around Kanye's neck- Bohemian Grove/ Molech reference?

The sign Jay-z puts up is supposed to be a diamond not a pyramid.

Even though he sings of illuminati and the pyramid covers his eye rather coincedently?
I dont think if illuminatti still exist they are so obbsessed with diamonds as they might be with the symbolism of the pyramid and what it may represent.

iPlop

I have to agree with you ,it is what it is and to think that it's all innocent is laughable.It's all obviously linked together through movies and music.What bothers me though is that my 5 year old daughter was making that pyramid shape that jay-z is making because she saw it on the music channels.I was not impressed to say the least

gizmo

Torakx wrote: »

Id like to add also there is some legitimate conspiracy theories relating to handlers of alot of these stars including britney spears, madonna,christina aguilera etc
I posted a google video probably in the satan worshipers thread which goes into detail about britneys breakdown and some toher famous stars who were obviously under extreme pressure and in some cases split personality recorded on video.This all ties in together and if you reseach as i have and read all these threads(with an understanding of trauma and mind control) you need to willingly blind yourself not to see something sinister is being done to these people and the masses soaking up the material projected out to the world to hear and see and feel.

Some see satanism and mind control, others see large corporations treating people like products, both physically and emotionally. Personally I find people's willingness to buy into the latter **** far more terrifying than any of the scary satanism stories.

Torakx wrote: »

Look at groups popping up like emo's,goths, for example.Now even more subsections are popping up like straight edge and so on.

Popping up? The goth and straight edge sub cultures have been around since the 80s.

Torakx wrote: »

It is all linked, society IS being changed due to mass media.To what is the big question.I know it looks ugly as hell and it isnt going to be stopped before the s%^t hits the fan.
Be ready cause it will be a classic in a similar vein as the 1914 rising of powers id imagine.
I have researched enough to not really need to bother with this stuff.I will be sitting back enjoying MY life and watching everyone else freak out or be guided unconsciously.
Im alot more skeptical recently but some things are just too obvious its laughable..this to me is one of those things.

While the general public are and have always been guided by the media, I think the mere fact that you're able to sit back, ignore it and enjoy your life means there isn't much to fear in the long run.

WakeUp

found this video on youtube it may have been posted on one of the other threads already. Showing album covers and things like that with the all seeing eye.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uNtg1p9PKs

WakeUp

I think they have put this sort of stuff in music videos and advertising for years. The poster from the Live Aid concert in 1985 at the time labeled the “biggest rock concert event in history” has a lot of numerology in it imo. These people are big into numerology / symbolism. I dunno maybe I’m reading to much into it but you can nearly always get the numbers to correspond to an important Masonic / numerological number like 13, 23, 66 etc..

Live Aid = Evil Dia backwards, dia being the Spanish word for day = Evil Day???

The original concert took place on the 13 . 7 .1985 ( 1+9+8+5 = 23 )

13, 7 and 23 are all important numbers in their type of numerology.

13 + 7 +2 x 3 = 66 or 13 + 7 – 1 – 9 + 8 – 5 = 13

The concert in the States took place in the J.F.K Stadium.

If you take the venue name JFK and give each letter a number you will get..

J 10 F 6 K 11

10 x 6 x 11 = 66 (0)

Enough to make your head explode I know but there you go :D

Yitzhak Rabin

WakeUp wrote: »

found this video on youtube it may have been posted on one of the other threads already. Showing album covers and things like that with the all seeing eye.

Thats a lot of coincidences. Especially when you consider an album cover has so much thought put into them. They're not like a random photo where someone could look like they were making a symbol, where in reality they are just doing something normal enough.

Will I Amnt

I was born in 1980,1+9+8+0=18,kings of leon have a song called 18,leon spelled backwards is Noel,I have 2 uncles called Noel................man I hate when people come out with that kind of bull****

Yitzhak Rabin

WakeUp wrote: »

I think they have put this sort of stuff in music videos and advertising for years. The poster from the Live Aid concert in 1985 at the time labeled the “biggest rock concert event in history” has a lot of numerology in it imo. These people are big into numerology / symbolism. I dunno maybe I’m reading to much into it but you can nearly always get the numbers to correspond to an important Masonic / numerological number like 13, 23, 66 etc..

Live Aid = Evil Dia backwards, dia being the Spanish word for day = Evil Day???

The original concert took place on the 13 . 7 .1985 ( 1+9+8+5 = 23 )

13, 7 and 23 are all important numbers in their type of numerology.

13 + 7 +2 x 3 = 66 or 13 + 7 – 1 – 9 + 8 – 5 = 13

The concert in the States took place in the J.F.K Stadium.

If you take the venue name JFK and give each letter a number you will get..

J 10 F 6 K 11

10 x 6 x 11 = 66 (0)

Enough to make your head explode I know but there you go :D

To be fair, I think numerology is very very dubious. Especially when you work backwards from an event.

If it could be used to predict future events then its might have much merit. But of course people only ever show its significance after an event.

Torakx

Hmm we are both on two different pages possibly in the same book.

Some see satanism and mind control, others see large corporations treating people like products, both physically and emotionally. Personally I find people's willingness to buy into the latter **** far more terrifying than any of the scary satanism stories.

I agree with that statement.Although i find both situations distrurbing.

Popping up? The goth and straight edge sub cultures have been around since the 80s.

I guess popping up would have to be defined better as i do realise they didnt "pop up" in just the last 10years.Maybe a bad example but i do see big changes in attitude over periods of time relating to media

While the general public are and have always been guided by the media, I think the mere fact that you're able to sit back, ignore it and enjoy your life means there isn't much to fear in the long run.

I dissagree on this one.There is a hell of alot to fear if you wish to.The level of danger is too hard to judge.Just because i have contented myself with the situation does not mean there is nothing to fear(much damage is being done to peoples health and my education prevents alot that others still suffer from).Also i am not the final word on what will happen and for all i know it could go much worse/better than i imagine.I am comfortable now with the idea i will die.Its an eventuality and i try to live life to its fullest now that i have accepted it fully.

WakeUp

yekahs wrote: »

Thats a lot of coincidences. Especially when you consider an album cover has so much thought put into them. They're not like a random photo where someone could look like they were making a symbol, where in reality they are just doing something normal enough.

Its fairly obvious, to me anyway, that they put this sort of stuff in music videos and album cover slides. If people choose to ignore it or whatever well thats up to them.

WakeUp

cambo2008 wrote: »

I was born in 1980,1+9+8+0=18,kings of leon have a song called 18,leon spelled backwards is Noel,I have 2 uncles called Noel................man I hate when people come out with that kind of bull****

I love you too honey;):D

WakeUp

yekahs wrote: »

To be fair, I think numerology is very very dubious. Especially when you work backwards from an event.

If it could be used to predict future events then its might have much merit. But of course people only ever show its significance after an event.

Not to sure what you mean by dubious its a well documented fact that they use numerology. As far as I know it isnt used to predict the future or whatever. I dont pretend to know the reason why they use it or what significance they put on it, but numerology is a big part of what they are into it this is well known and documented.

gizmo

WakeUp wrote: »

Live Aid = Evil Dia backwards, dia being the Spanish word for day = Evil Day???

Surely this alone shows how silly this is? You're taking a phrase which directly relates to the event they put on, reversing it and then translating one word of it into a different language just so as to suit your point.

Torakx wrote: »

I agree with that statement.Although i find both situations distrurbing.

The reason I find the latter disturbing is because people are doing it willfully rather than the other instances, one which implies people do not have a choice and the other being completely made up by man.

Torakx wrote: »

I guess popping up would have to be defined better as i do realise they didnt "pop up" in just the last 10years.Maybe a bad example but i do see big changes in attitude over periods of time relating to media

Media, in various forms, has always done this so I see no reason to be worrying about it now.

Torakx wrote: »

I dissagree on this one.There is a hell of alot to fear if you wish to.

Again you're implying there is a choice, an idea whose very existence contradicts the notion that there is some evil empire out to get us.

WakeUp

gizmo wrote: »

Surely this alone shows how silly this is? You're taking a phrase which directly relates to the event they put on, reversing it and then translating one word of it into a different language just so as to suit your point.

Maybe it is silly maybe it isnt like I said maybe Im reading to much into it, its just an idea. Ok then lets not translate the second word or do anything with it, just reverse the first..Evil aid?:D

Do you think everything is above board with the symbolism in the videos and advertising? What do you think is going on. Do you even think anything is going on or do you find it all normal?

WakeUp

gizmo wrote: »

While the general public are and have always been guided by the media, I think the mere fact that you're able to sit back, ignore it and enjoy your life means there isn't much to fear in the long run.

Do you think its a good thing that people have been guided by the media or are you just impartial to it and dont pay much attention to it?

gizmo

WakeUp wrote: »

Maybe it is silly maybe it isnt like I said maybe Im reading to much into it, its just an idea. Ok then lets not translate the second word or do anything with it, just reverse the first..Evil aid?:D

Again you're being selective with how you manipulate words. Plus there's the fact that if this were true every "live" event could be deemed as evil.

WakeUp wrote: »

Do you think everything is above board with the symbolism in the videos and advertising? What do you think is going on. Do you even think anything is going on or do you find it all normal?

Oh there is certainly a reason behind the usage of these symbols, I just don't find it malevolent. In terms of imagery I think it is a combination of some artists interest in mythology, symbolism and just generally thinking they're cool when they do it. The same goes for their lyrics, not to mention they may also have as much of an interest in the conspiracies behind it, hence may wish to incorporate it into their lyrics. Then there's the fact that stories of the Illuminati can appeal to even those who don't see any CTs behind them, see the success of Angels & Demons for instance. In Madonnas' case, on the other hand, I just think it's bad taste.

WakeUp wrote: »

Do you think its a good thing that people have been guided by the media or are you just impartial to it and dont pay much attention to it?

I wouldn't necessarily consider it a good thing, I just accept that people can be easily lead. That being said, the fact that we are given a choice in what we watch and/or read and the fact that we can chose to ignore it either way, indicates to me that the media in itself is any kind of threat to us. I made a somewhat similar comment in another thread here which I think is relevant.

Yitzhak Rabin

WakeUp wrote: »

Not to sure what you mean by dubious its a well documented fact that they use numerology. As far as I know it isnt used to predict the future or whatever. I dont pretend to know the reason why they use it or what significance they put on it, but numerology is a big part of what they are into it this is well known and documented.

What I mean is, its based on very faulty logic.

Even if we were to accept that the illuminati love say, the number 33, literally any event can then be shown to have connections to the number 33 after it has occurred.

The problem is people who come up with the numerology stuff ignore all the numbers and connections that don't fit with the theory.

Yitzhak Rabin

Another Lady Gaga one. All seeing eye at one of her concerts.

joebucks

Torakx wrote: »

Even though he sings of illuminati and the pyramid covers his eye rather coincedently?

The eye stuff is very strange but when Jay-Z etc make the hand sign they say 'put your diamonds in the sky' to represent their bling, maybe there is a hidden meaning to it.
I remember there was very strong 'Illuminati' imagery in his show at Glastonbury- playing on the pyramid stage etc
Main Stage at Glasto:

nehpets5555

No idea if its been mentioned before, and it doesnt have too much association with the thread but i found it weird.
Illuminati spelt backward is itanimulli , and when you add .com to it look were it directs you.
www.itanimulli.com

joebucks

nehpets5555 wrote: »

No idea if its been mentioned before, and it doesnt have too much association with the thread but i found it weird.
Illuminati spelt backward is itanimulli , and when you add .com to it look were it directs you.
www.itanimulli.com

This is a joke.

As an owner of a domain you can redirect your website to anywhere you want. You dont even need the approval of the webowners that you are fowarding your domain to.

nehpets5555

Oh really? wasnt aware of that, especially if it was redirecting to a Gov site.
Thanks !

joebucks

nehpets5555 wrote: »

Oh really? wasnt aware of that, especially if it was redirecting to a Gov site.
Thanks !

No worries.

KylieWyley

Muse are mad into their 'grand new world order' sort of conspiracy stuff.

nehpets5555

Also. came across this too, what struck me most was near the end with Taylor Swift/Beyonce and what they describe as part of her 'initiation' at the MTV awards, when they hug and 'Rdfo Il 40 pro del ato' appears on the screen (at around 5:27 you see it ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgk0yJ676WQ&feature=related . its interesting.

joebucks

Pearl Jam Inlay 'No Code'

Soft Cell

Ultravox

Earth Wind and Fire

13th Floor Elevators


Alan parsons project

Torakx

Funny i actually bought that no code album with thatcover and didnt notice those eyes.Back then i had no clue about all this stuff.
Its interesting to see it now.

The Jay-z "put your diamonds in the sky" routine sounds to me like he is getting kicks out of fooling kids into doing and getting used to doing the pyramid symbol without them realising.

To Gizmo. There is always a choice to be afraid and worry or to live your life as best you can with as much enjoyment as you choose.
When i said wish, i ment to imply it is a choice to fear or not.
I chose not to fear but it does not mean the things i do not fear do not exist.
I dont fully know what the "plan" is anyway.I just sense from the stuff i cannot deny that something sinister is happening and its closing in over the next 20 years.Possibly less.But again that is a guesstimate.We could i supppose see how long communism was tested in the soviet and democracy in the states to try get a rough idea of when the next paradigm is coming but i doubt it is that simple at all.
I do think though that there is definetly social engineering involved.

tippboi

Sink The Banana wrote: »

I have to agree with you ,it is what it is and to think that it's all innocent is laughable.It's all obviously linked together through movies and music.What bothers me though is that my 5 year old daughter was making that pyramid shape that jay-z is making because she saw it on the music channels.I was not impressed to say the least

Its a triangle shape. Its a very common shape. think people read into things like this 2 much.

Brown Bomber

If this wouldn't **** with a confused teenagers mind I don't know what would.

The look coincides with Beiber’s recent endorsement of a collection of nail polishes inspired by his hit songs.

The range is called One Less Lonely Girl, and Bieber personally designed six of the polishes.

“One Less Lonely Glitter” is a glittery purple polish; “Prized Possession Purple”" is a grape-coloured polish and “Give Me The First Dance” is a silver polish.

“Me+Blue” is a dark blue color; “OMB!” is bright red and “Step 2 the Beat of My Heart,” is purple heart-shaped glitter.

The polishes will go on sale exclusively at Wal-Mart for Christmas.

Bieber is also working on his own fragrance line, typically the domain of female pop stars.

http://www.theimproper.com/14069/justin-bieber-in-lipstick-makeup-eyeliner-wtf-see-photo

Here in Sweden the youth are much more Amereicanised/MTV'd than Ireland. Teen suicide rates are much higher, they seem much more depressed overall and without any kind of direction or personal identity. I think that is the goal - confused, sex-driven, self-loathing, depressed, non-political, non-religious, dumbed down, afraid consumers. Easy to control that way. Easier still when you go to the doctor and he gives you some magic pills for a made up disease.

Everyone go back to bed your government is in control.

Yitzhak Rabin

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Here in Sweden the youth are much more Amereicanised/MTV'd than Ireland. Teen suicide rates are much higher, they seem much more depressed overall and without any kind of direction or personal identity.

Thats not true.

http://web4health.info/en/answers/bipolar-suicide-statistics :

"In Europe statistics are collected from 33 countries. The latest avaliable data for the group 15-24 years of age, shows that the Russian federation is at the top of the list (32/100,000), followed by Lithuania, Finland, Latvia and Slovenia. Sweden (which can be compared with the U. S.) is, according to this list, in 18th place (with less than 10/100,000). In the bottom of the list are Great Britain, Spain, Portugal, Italy and last Greece (3/100,000)."

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0910/suicide.html :
"The annual report of the National Office for Suicide Prevention shows that Ireland has the fifth highest rate of youth suicide in Europe."

Brown Bomber

yekahs wrote: »

Thats not true.

http://web4health.info/en/answers/bipolar-suicide-statistics :

"In Europe statistics are collected from 33 countries. The latest avaliable data for the group 15-24 years of age, shows that the Russian federation is at the top of the list (32/100,000), followed by Lithuania, Finland, Latvia and Slovenia. Sweden (which can be compared with the U. S.) is, according to this list, in 18th place (with less than 10/100,000). In the bottom of the list are Great Britain, Spain, Portugal, Italy and last Greece (3/100,000)."

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0910/suicide.html :
"The annual report of the National Office for Suicide Prevention shows that Ireland has the fifth highest rate of youth suicide in Europe."

Well I was talking about my own town from my own observations, not idea of national figures.

joebucks

Slightly off topic as it is to do with the film industry as opposed to music industry but check out the final ccene from Hal Ashby's masterpiece Being There. The conversation of the men carrying the coffin at 0.57 is interesting- Could easily be applied to Obomber/ Reagan/Palin/O'Donnell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bow1ZJTV4L4

Hal Ashby's film-making career had been prolific up until this movie and after it he went off the rails, became an alcoholic and didn't make another decent movie.
It was also Peter Sellers last big movie. Sellers was a Freemason.

gizmo

Brown Bomber wrote: »

If this wouldn't **** with a confused teenagers mind I don't know what would.

His fans don't seem too pleased to be honest, especially since it's clearly digitally altered.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Here in Sweden the youth are much more Amereicanised/MTV'd than Ireland.

Odd given that MTV seem to be getting more politicised in recent times, especially in the context of apathy amongst younger voters and the reasons behind it. Personally I'd just prefer if they went back to playing music.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I think that is the goal -confused

Sexually? I think it's great for the younger generations to be able to see people on TV who are comfortable with their sexuality. Of course, ads like the Bieber one don't help but the fan reaction alone should put a stop to that kind of rubbish

Brown Bomber wrote: »

sex-driven

While I'm obviously opposed to the over sexualisation of much younger kids, people are capable of doing this without MTV

Brown Bomber wrote: »

self-loathing

The opposition to the new emo look popularised by bands such as My Chemical Romance show that kids are more than capable of deciding what they adopt

Brown Bomber wrote: »

depressed

Not really sure where this is coming from, perhaps the physical appearance of stars? Again you'll find that MTV aren't the only culprits here with both TV, movies and more importantly the fashion industry, championing unhealthy weights amongst people

Brown Bomber wrote: »

non-religious

Good for them, more of this please.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

dumbed down

So watch something else?

Brown Bomber wrote: »

afraid consumers

No idea where this is coming from at all really.

r3nu4l

The music industry has always been reliant on symbolism to add an element of 'mystique'.

Prog-rock used loads of imagery from mythology - unicorns, fairy's, wizards etc.
Heavy Metal (particularly New Wave of British Heavy Metal) used the occult and/or satanism.

Kids adopted these satanistic badges, crests, symbols because that's what kids do. It's the same with this illuminati/nwo stuff imo. It's just something trendy.

Torakx

Maybe its part of many plans.
The Bieber picture was a little disturbing.Justin is still a boys name right?
The fact his fans may have been outraged has no bearing on this i think.If they had not been outraged and just accepted it, would it have then been ok? i think yes and im sure some people here would have stood by that too just for this reason!Or maybe just to be on the opposing side to posters here

I wouldnt say i was homophobic(i can happily let people do their own thing as long as they have a fair choice unaided by media/abuse) crossing genders sounds like a great way to aid global depopulation and might explain the metrosexuals walking around nowadays.Guys slowly losing their masculinity in favour of this idea that its cool to be gay/metro/crossgendered.Im still laughing about the manbag.
Its not cool to be old fashioned anymore and to be this way is to get left behind as the rest of the globe "evolves".Im not sure this is evolution as appose to devolution but we shall see how long the trend lasts and the results in 50 years time.What if there is a global catastrophy in 100 years and 1 million homosexuals left on the planet,good luck to ye's!
If i was alive 50 years ago there may have been slightly less women available because of lower population for example but then again maybe i would have more choice because 1/4(guess!) of them werent bi-sexual,then add all the lesbians and my chances are lower again..then add my crazy conspiracy theories and the numbers go through the roof

The sad thing is this whole post only covers the tiniest part of what is bombarding kids today in the media.I havent watched tv in about 2 years and i noticed changes in myself since.It could be other things too but the fact i choose all my viewing media(and being aware of the subliminals mostly) instead of being told and bombarded i really think it does influence people.Sometimes people try to chat with me about a particular advert on tv or a celebrity and i havent a clue what they are on about! what has this got to do with anything i keep wondering.
It creates a massive seperation between people like myself and those who watch lots of TV regularly.I wish to talk about fact,theories,philosophy,psychology a sport or book or sometimes a movie.
They want to talk about some kid that got on xfactor and has a new single etc.Or that funny ad on tv with a cat or dog or something.

Brown Bomber

Torackx I'd have to agree with you. I don't want to keep harping on about living in another culture but it offers you a fresh perspective on conformity. There are so many things here that are "popular" that I have absolutely no interest in and they mean absolutely zero to me but people who have been here all their lives have been conditioned to worship and so do - always shallow unimportant ****: celebrities, tv shows, music, clothing labels that kind of stuff. We are bombarded with commercials here but for most of my time here I've been oblivious to them through the language barrier. Equally things that were important to me in Ireland are less so now as I am not bombarded with the message that they are important.

WakeUp

There is a war for want of better words going on in the music industry among other things between evil corrupt souless "artists" and the opposite. The majority of "artists" we would know as main stream are on the dark side I reckon. There are many artists however on the right side the good side but because the music industry is so saturated with corrupt illuminati bull sh1t , their message is lost or doesnt get out at all. Fck the NWO and Fck the illuminati/masons with their satanic symbolism, they are all going to burn in hell and I hope its extra hot & miserable when they do eventually arrive down there. Some artists who are fighting back..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1T8xgHdMEM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whZa-j99b1c

Torakx

Just be careful the groups leading people into marches may be leading people to the same end by a different path.Im super wary of this maybe to a point where i have a hard time joining ANY group that has any ambitions,i see them all ready to be circumvented.
But i do love to see artists shouting out against the stuff that is obvious and needs to be put out there more.
Is there any pubs or clubs in dublin that host artists like this who sing about the stuff we regularly talk about here?

My name is URL

Torakx wrote: »

Just be careful the groups leading people into marches may be leading people to the same end by a different path.Im super wary of this maybe to a point where i have a hard time joining ANY group that has any ambitions,i see them all ready to be circumvented.
But i do love to see artists shouting out against the stuff that is obvious and needs to be put out there more.
Is there any pubs or clubs in dublin that host artists like this who sing about the stuff we regularly talk about here?

Could the artists who are more vocal about it be in some way equally or more responsible for its popularity? I mean, if someone is including a symbol in their act which most people are unlikely to read into, and then the people who are outspoken against it rally support to fight it.. is it not really just a false war of mind and soul which is being created and perpetuated by the labels? I'd love to see a list of which labels use the imagery 'subversively' as opposed to labels which promote artists against it.

Maybe it's more productive to separate tastes, ideals and music preferences with the view to targeting a single demographic in a less obscure and more personally identifiable fashion.

gizmo

My name is URL wrote: »

Could the artists who are more vocal about it be in some way equally or more responsible for its popularity? I mean, if someone is including a symbol in their act which most people are unlikely to read into, and then the people who are outspoken against it rally support to fight it.. is it not really just a false war of mind and soul which is being created and perpetuated by the labels? I'd love to see a list of which labels use the imagery 'subversively' as opposed to labels which promote artists against it.

Maybe it's more productive to separate tastes, ideals and music preferences with the view to targeting a single demographic in a less obscure and more personally identifiable fashion.

Well again you're coming at it from the perspective of someone who possibly thinks there is some malevolent force behind those symbols. The people using them could simply think they look cool or find the history behind them interesting.

joebucks

WakeUp wrote: »

There is a war for want of better words going on in the music industry among other things between evil corrupt souless "artists" and the opposite. The majority of "artists" we would know as main stream are on the dark side I reckon. There are many artists however on the right side the good side but because the music industry is so saturated with corrupt illuminati bull sh1t , their message is lost or doesnt get out at all. Fck the NWO and Fck the illuminati/masons with their satanic symbolism, they are all going to burn in hell and I hope its extra hot & miserable when they do eventually arrive down there. Some artists who are fighting back..

good vids..Lowkey is pretty good also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmBnvajSfWU

Torakx

My name is URL wrote: »

Could the artists who are more vocal about it be in some way equally or more responsible for its popularity? I mean, if someone is including a symbol in their act which most people are unlikely to read into, and then the people who are outspoken against it rally support to fight it.. is it not really just a false war of mind and soul which is being created and perpetuated by the labels? I'd love to see a list of which labels use the imagery 'subversively' as opposed to labels which promote artists against it.

Maybe it's more productive to separate tastes, ideals and music preferences with the view to targeting a single demographic in a less obscure and more personally identifiable fashion.

Good point.This is exactly why i wont join any groups with a cause.
I for myself would enjoy listening to some music that counters the stuff on the mainstream but also accept there is a symbolic war of the minds going on in this case.
You have the new age movement headed by a good few popular figures who could or not be honest in their agenda.And then you have the polar opposite the "bad guys".
What i consider many a time is that the "bad guys" are running both sides and playing both for fools.
The reality could be anything including a third and fourth side or just no side and a whole mess.
All i know is im not picking a side because i enjoy the view from standing on the fence.
But i know there is definetly mind control going on at many levels.The agenda i just dont know.
The best i can do is enjoy what i wish from the world,be constantly self aware and aware of my enviornment and educate myself to enjoy the ride wherever its going.
So i might listen to the odd "bad guys" songs and i might listen to "new age" songs but i will be stubborn with my views which i hope are more or less close to reality.
When i see a movie insinuating something that i feel is subliminal the fact i see it i hope prevents it from being buried with the other 80% of my unconscious mind.I guess stuff is still going to get in but i do have a firm grip on reality these days.Alot more than the average person im sure.
In many ways i could be alot more skeptical than our forums stereo typical skeptic.As i do not hold to either side with many things now.I like this fence im sitting on.I can contemplate theories and entertain them but not have to fully commit to the idea.Just another paradigm i can wait to see if its true.

but yes i can imagine a future kind of like red versus blue instead of left versus right or label versus label etc etc all good forms of control to seperate and conquer.

joebucks

Check out the subliminal in this at 0.42

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la-XootGE04