Fas to close ??

kirstyor123

Hi all......
I have read in the paper recently that fas is about to close because the goverment has decided not to fund it anymore :eek:

Is this true people ???.... If it is i think its awful!!!! for the goverment to close down fas i think is ridiculous:eek: especially in this recession is madness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does anyone agree ??

gbee

Hard to say.

Ostensibly, it is a good thing, I went there after being made redundant about 20 years ago. Did a start your own business course that was not complete and we lost important days because whoever scheduled the course did not take cognisance of the Bank- Holidays and lecturer holidays.

It was not possible to make up the balance but ironically one lecturer was warning of the Bank's even at that time.

kirstyor123

But what about people who have just started 1 yr and 2yr courses with fas ?? will they be made suffer ?

I agree some people find them useless but then some people have said they are were they are because of the courses and jobs available..

The goverment are giving out about the amount of people on social welfare yet they want to close down fas:eek:
This country will go down to the ground very soon!!

tenchi-fan

op, fas is not going to be closed overnight and funding is not going to be cut overnight either.

kippy

I dont think the services that FAS offers will be stopped - they will be either transferred into different agencies and the name FAS removed from all training centres, while this training will be managed by a "new" agency containing most of the current courses.
I dont think the man on the street will notice a loss of service or indeed that people will be made stop courses in the middle of them.
If anything this should be a positive for the public with some streamlining of services which are currently provided by FAS and the DSP which will now be under one roof.
The training SHOULD improve and one would hope that all institutions charged with training and education could work closer together to ensure the public get offered the courses that suit them in the organisation that suits them.

kirstyor123

tenchi-fan wrote: »

op, fas is not going to be closed overnight and funding is not going to be cut overnight either.

Maybe not.. paper just said fas to close within weeks

kippy

kirstyor123 wrote: »

Maybe not.. paper just said fas to close within weeks

The papers tend to make things appear more dramatic than they actually are - especially some of the more "elaborate" editions.

Willbbz

Someone on here said that the only jobs anyone ever secured through FAS was the people who work there

kippy

WilliamOC wrote: »

Someone on here said that the only jobs anyone ever secured through FAS was the people who work there

People say a lot of things on here.

Willbbz

kippy wrote: »

People say a lot of things on here.

Derp

BostonB

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1028/fas.html

Tánaiste Mary Coughlan has told the Dáil that she intends to replace FÁS with a new training agency.
During the ongoing economic debate, Ms Coughlan said it was her intention in the New Year to see a renewed and freshly mandated training agency assume the organisation's training work.

It will be "renewed"

rebel.ranter

Same people with a different sign over the door. It will be another state agency with obsolete resources (people) sitting in rooms doing nothing after the shake up. It happened in HSE, An Post along with others.
All it means is we will be paying for an over priced re-branding exercise. Sure didn't we pay for ESB & Bord Gais to re-brand too? What about the Eir Grid advertising? We spent a few quid on that too even though they are not a public facing entity.
At least some marketing companies will keep people in a few jobs doing all this. That is the only silver lining I can see...

kippy

rebel.ranter wrote: »

Same people with a different sign over the door. It will be another state agency with obsolete resources (people) sitting in rooms doing nothing after the shake up. It happened in HSE, An Post along with others.
All it means is we will be paying for an over priced re-branding exercise. Sure didn't we pay for ESB & Bord Gais to re-brand too? What about the Eir Grid advertising? We spent a few quid on that too even though they are not a public facing entity.
At least some marketing companies will keep people in a few jobs doing all this. That is the only silver lining I can see...

There are actually some major organisational changes happening also. If handled correctly (and managed correctly) they will result in significant cost savings on premises rental/IT costs and indeed staffing costs over the medium term.

Ghost Estate

wouldnt surprise me, the people who ran FAS squandered all the money on holidays

chris85

Its basically just rebranding the agency as the FAS name has lost a lot of credibility in recent times.

golden8

Where are they getting the money for rebranding the semi states?

Latchy

WilliamOC wrote: »

Someone on here said that the only jobs anyone ever secured through FAS was the people who work there

While not wishing to knock the many finer points of what FAS has done ( or not done ) for many people over the years I have noticed that whenever I have finished a course at college (in England ) the tutors are quite eger to get you to sign up for another one , even if it's 6 months down the road which equates to them being still in a job next term and who can blame them

post is more tongue in cheek than anything :pac:

gussieg

ah yes . the old rebranding trick. who remembers what came before it was called Fas?
me neither.

kippy

gussieg wrote: »

ah yes . the old rebranding trick. who remembers what came before it was called Fas?
me neither.

To be fair, it is a bit more than a rebrand.

gussieg

and they must be suffering from some sort of schizophrenia at the department of Wehaveyourmoneybutyourenotgettingitcosyoudidntfillintheformsproperly.(Andwe're giving youlessthischristmascoswewanttohavejobsnextyearourselves.)
Everytime i ring them - and i do try- and get through to the automated voice, its Welcome to the Department of a different name nearly every time.

Nolanger

kirstyor123 wrote: »

Does anyone agree ??

When you do a ten-month FÁS course and the class beside you is empty but the instructor is there every day at his desk - you would wish they would have closed down years ago?

gollem_1975

gussieg wrote: »

ah yes . the old rebranding trick. who remembers what came before it was called Fas?
me neither.

If my memory serves me it was called ANCO

bikermartin

I done a fas draughting course 1988 to 1989. the hand book was still branded ANCO.

gussieg

kippy wrote: »

To be fair, it is a bit more than a rebrand.

with all due respect, to be fair to whom, exactly?

gussieg

there you go, ANCo.
And for 500o bonus points, anyone remember the one before that?

kippy

gussieg wrote: »

with all due respect, to be fair to whom, exactly?

To be fair to the truth...........
It is not just a rebranding exercise.

gollem_1975

gussieg wrote: »

there you go, ANCo.
And for 500o bonus points, anyone remember the one before that?

didn't fás teach you how to use google

gbee

gussieg wrote: »

there you go, ANCo.
And for 500o bonus points, anyone remember the one before that?

Manpower?

markpb

kippy wrote: »

To be fair to the truth...........
It is not just a rebranding exercise.

What exactly is changing? I've seen very little in the way of detail.

kippy

markpb wrote: »

What exactly is changing? I've seen very little in the way of detail.

You'll have to wait for the detail.

The organisation is basicilly getting split in two, the responsibility for both sections will split between two departments.
It SHOULD mean a reduction in cost for buildings/IT and over time staffing.
A new training agency (there will be a rename here) which encompasses all the existing training centre staff and buildings will be set up which will be responsible for training.
One would hope that there are imrpovements here as well.