The Coaches Carousel - Coaches on Hotseat ?

neilster

well as a Boys fan ...Wade must be on the seat with Garrett no longer held as highly

people seems to think that Jerry Jones cant co-exist with strong characters but i think he cant do it too long like Jimmy Johnson ,Barry Switzer and Parcells

my money is on Gruden who has co-existed with Al Davis and is a big personality who is dying to come back to a contender (well a 09 contender anyway)

Dark horse Ron Rivera at the Bolts ,,he interviewd before

where will John Fox land ...Billick ...Harbaugh ...Cowher in Carolina ....the Bears job

eagle eye

Jimmy Johnson left because he couldn't work with Jones. He was Jerry Jones' first head coach and probably had more say than any coach after him. Barry Switzer left after one bad season. Parcells is widely believed to have quit due to Jones signing TO against his wishes and releasing Keyshawn Johnson.

mikemac

I could see Billick going to the Panthers, just a hunch realy
Billick was a bit offended the Bills never contacted him or even considered him.
Though he's still getting paid by the Ravens so he's not doing too badly

Cowher to Chicago if Lovie Smith gets fired.

A lot say Singletary is facing the chop, I don't see it. He'll still be there at the start of next season

mikemac

neilster wrote: »

my money is on Gruden who has co-existed with Al Davis and is a big personality who is dying to come back to a contender (well a 09 contender anyway)

Maybe. Though last year he signed a multi year contract with ESPN so Jerry Jones will have to pay out compensation if they want him.
Maybe there is a clause about being released for a coaching job, none of us would know that

Though the pay off to ESPN will be cheap to what the Bucs paid

Gruden replaced the fired Tony Dungy as head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2002, via a high-stakes trade that included Tampa Bay's 2002 and 2003 first-round draft picks, 2002 and 2004 second-round draft picks, and $8 million in cash.

To this day, I'm still astounded by that level of compensation. :eek:
I didn't follow the NFL back then, must have been an almighty story at the time

Syferus

feelingstressed wrote: »

A lot say Singletary is facing the chop, I don't see it. He'll still be there at the start of next season

As with alot of times when talking about if coaches will be fired, it'll have alot to do with what record the team end up with. Jeff Fisher was looking dead in the water last year whe the Titans went 0-6, but the strong finsh, even without making the playoffs, surely saved his job.

Singletary is in danger because he's not in charge of a team like the '09 Buccs where nothing was expected of the team so a horrible record doesn't put serious pressure o nthe coach. The 49ers are dead last in what by any account isn't a murderers' row of a division.

frostie500

feelingstressed wrote: »

To this day, I'm still astounded by that level of compensation. :eek:
I didn't follow the NFL back then, must have been an almighty story at the time

Yeah it as fairly massive compensation but at least he backed it up with a ring. I'd actually love to see Gruden coaching the Cowboys. It would be nice to see what Romo is actually capable of and Gruden has showed in the past that he can coach with the best of him

davyjose

Syferus wrote: »

As with alot of times when talking about if coaches will be fired, it'll have alot to do with what record the team end up with. Jeff Fisher was looking dead in the water last year whe the Titans went 0-6, but the strong finsh, even without making the playoffs, surely saved his job.

Singletary is in danger because he's not in charge of a team like the '09 Buccs where nothing was expected of the team so a horrible record doesn't put serious pressure o nthe coach. The 49ers are dead last in what by any account isn't a murderers' row of a division.

Fisher had taken his team to the best regular season record in the league the season before. That would have been enough to pull him through a slip*. Especially as they rallied to This season the titans again look hot, and Fisher has vindicated himself.

Singletary is not in the same league as Fisher, IMO, and should walk after this season if the 49ers have any sense.

*What i would have called for fisher's head for, was when he wore a Peyton Manning shirt, at 0-6. I still can't get my head around this. Imagine Rex Ryan wearing a Brady shirt? Imagine how Collins and Young must have felt? :mad: Otherwise - good coach. Unlike Singletary!

mikemac

I think Singletary would be a good college coach. And maybe he should have tried it for a few years.
After all, the likes of Bill Walsh left an NFL position to coach at college level

If he ever gets fired I'd easily see him get a job at a college.

Shouting at college players to motivate them may be different to shouting at multi millionaire pros who've seen it all before.

Jim Harbaugh will get an NFL job at some stage I'm sure.
NFL QB experience and doing a great job at Stanford

Chucky the tree

Norv Turner - Never should have last this long. I hope he lasted even longer but surely now his time is up. What a team to take over though, still hugely talented. Would be a bit of a nightmare if someone like Cowher took over.

Wade Philips - Nightmare job with JJ perched on your shoulder 24/7. If JJ has any sense he'll do a Synder and hand the job over to a proper nfl GM/Head coach.

Mike Singletary - This will depend a lot on their final results but he's not shown much in his time, and progress has hugely stalled this year.

Josh McDaniels - Surprised I haven't seen his name mentioned. Rookie HC who's made some biazarre personnel decisions and just been smashed by their bitter rivals (:D). A Losing record in a division that contains the Chiefs and Raiders is pretty embarrissing.

Jack Del Rio - Jaguars have been going no where fast and when you look at their draft history under Del rio it's no surprise( 2 pro-bowlers since 2003).


I think pretty much everyone else is safe.

Syferus

davyjose wrote: »

Fisher had taken his team to the best regular season record in the league the season before. That would have been enough to pull him through a slip*. Especially as they rallied to This season the titans again look hot, and Fisher has vindicated himself.

Singletary is not in the same league as Fisher, IMO, and should walk after this season if the 49ers have any sense.

*What i would have called for fisher's head for, was when he wore a Peyton Manning shirt, at 0-6. I still can't get my head around this. Imagine Rex Ryan wearing a Brady shirt? Imagine how Collins and Young must have felt? :mad: Otherwise - good coach. Unlike Singletary!

Fisher's obviously a way more proven coach, but this is a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately league and long serving coaches like Fisher and Reid - who are sans the rings to push into the owners' faces - face a tightrope of itchy trigger fingers and apathy most years.

Itssoeasy

Josh Mcdaniels - He should write a book "How to destroy a franchise in two years." But I think he will be given time with the whole Tim Tebow "experiment" :rolleyes:

Benimar

I'd say Wade Phillips seat is an inferno at the moment! 28-3 down at home to the Jags.

He will see out the season but will be gone then without a doubt.

neilster

eagle eye wrote: »

Jimmy Johnson left because he couldn't work with Jones. He was Jerry Jones' first head coach and probably had more say than any coach after him. Barry Switzer left after one bad season. Parcells is widely believed to have quit due to Jones signing TO against his wishes and releasing Keyshawn Johnson.

Not sure if JJohnson and Jones could work together long-term ...on both sides that one , Switzer id concur ...cetainly the TO issue was there with the Tuna but a bit more complex ...i think Parcells wanted a back seat role ...Miami was there for him and his cvv doesnt have many long stays ...as Miami are finding out (did him renegotiating his contract last year not give them a clue

id say Jerry Jones could change tack now , lots of empty seats in Arlington....i still say a hard head who will bring his own team but acquiesce at times like Gruden ...Cowher will be too like Jimmy Johnson and dark horse Ron Rivera

neilster

Syferus wrote: »

As with alot of times when talking about if coaches will be fired, it'll have alot to do with what record the team end up with. Jeff Fisher was looking dead in the water last year whe the Titans went 0-6, but the strong finsh, even without making the playoffs, surely saved his job.

Singletary is in danger because he's not in charge of a team like the '09 Buccs where nothing was expected of the team so a horrible record doesn't put serious pressure o nthe coach. The 49ers are dead last in what by any account isn't a murderers' row of a division.

Singletary and Wade followed by McDaniels.....

mikemac

Fox will be let go at the end of the season
So my hunch for this off season is Brian Billick to the Panthers and Cowher to Chicago

Gruden to the Cowboys but anything could happen there

spiralism

feelingstressed wrote: »

Fox will be let go at the end of the season
So my hunch for this off season is Brian Billick to the Panthers and Cowher to Chicago

Gruden to the Cowboys but anything could happen there

Rivera promoted in SD if they dont turn things around, but its up in the air there still.

Dallas...Gruden maybe but i dunno would Jones want to hand a coach a lot of control like JG may want. If Norv gets the boot in SD, he would be the perfect candidate in Jerry's eyes, he doesn't demand too much control, won't clash egos with Jerry like Gruden might, played a part in their SB wins and his teams put up flashy stats when the talent is there.

Billick to Carolina probs, but it's hard to be too sure as Jerry Richardson is cheap as hell.

Cowher to Chicago if he takes any job at all... if not, could be Fox or Jim harbaugh...

Buffalo... John Fox or Jim Harbaugh

Denver... Hard to say as the Denver front office are already paying Shanahan through til 2011 not to coach and would be reluctant to can McDaniels as well. However, at the rate the season is going, Pat Bowlen's hands may be tied. Look for Gruden to go there if Jerry doesn't get him, failing that it wil probably be Lovie Smith or John Fox

Syferus

spiralism wrote: »

Denver... Hard to say as the Denver front office are already paying Shanahan through til 2011 not to coach and would be reluctant to can McDaniels as well. However, at the rate the season is going, Pat Bowlen's hands may be tied. Look for Gruden to go there if Jerry doesn't get him, failing that it wil probably be Lovie Smith or John Fox

Err, you mean the guy who's coaching Washington at this very moment? What deal is in place?

davyjose

Syferus wrote: »

Err, you mean the guy who's coaching Washington at this very moment? What deal is in place?

I think he means that shanahan's contract, which would have ended in 2011, was paid in full.

spiralism

Syferus wrote: »

Err, you mean the guy who's coaching Washington at this very moment? What deal is in place?

We owe him through to 2011, though it's split between us and washington now that he's got the job there

neilster

feelingstressed wrote: »

Fox will be let go at the end of the season
So my hunch for this off season is Brian Billick to the Panthers and Cowher to Chicago

Gruden to the Cowboys but anything could happen there

Coaching decsisions are funny ones ...the owners do strange things...the biggest coaching gig in NFL is Dallas and apart from Gruden the biggest name around is Cowher...But he wont put up with Jerry Jones interfering unless he has total control...his own team ...the draft ...all hiring and he wont get that

so then its the next biggest teams for Cowher...San Diego is out if Turner is gone as AJ Smith has a lot of power there and at Chicago ( the family owners are cheap) he wont get the pay package so he has house in Carolina and his wife is deceased and with Fox gone Richardson may give him free rein in Charlotte

I could see Fox getting job quite quickly in San Diego or Jacsonville as unless Garrard starts to dig them out Del Rio will go too. Weaver may have one last throw of dice before movin franchise

neilster

davyjose wrote: »

Fisher had taken his team to the best regular season record in the league the season before. That would have been enough to pull him through a slip*. Especially as they rallied to This season the titans again look hot, and Fisher has vindicated himself.

Singletary is not in the same league as Fisher, IMO, and should walk after this season if the 49ers have any sense.

*What i would have called for fisher's head for, was when he wore a Peyton Manning shirt, at 0-6. I still can't get my head around this. Imagine Rex Ryan wearing a Brady shirt? Imagine how Collins and Young must have felt? :mad: Otherwise - good coach. Unlike Singletary!

I think that Singletary isnt really a coach ...if he had excelled as a linebackers coach and then moved up the line ... he would have learned but instead he was pitched in an emergency .....he motivated the players but got promoted above his ability ...his lack of understanding at a x's and o's level has been exposed and he is a dead man walking as a result

Syferus

neilster wrote: »

I think that Singletary isnt really a coach ...if he had excelled as a linebackers coach and then moved up the line ... he would have learned but instead he was pitched in an emergency .....he motivated the players but got promoted above his ability ...his lack of understanding at a x's and o's level has been exposed and he is a dead man walking as a result

If the 49ers beat the Rams next weekend both Singlery and the team will be very much alive again. They're just lucky to be in the one division where you can lose six of your first seven and still be relevant.

neilster

Syferus wrote: »

If the 49ers beat the Rams next weekend both Singlery and the team will be very much alive again. They're just lucky to be in the one division where you can lose six of your first seven and still be relevant.

thats true but i think that this game might come down to the QB with the most poise and Bradford has looked very good very early