No New Lisbon Referendum?

Lenny Lovett

So Brian Cowen was just on EuroNews saying that there would be no referendum in Ireland to adopt a new or amended Lisbon Treaty. He feels the Irish people really don't want another referendum and are happy with the Government deciding.... Eh? Are we? I'm not happy with them deciding anything. Can we just be ridden roughshod over like this?

roy rodgers

Hear hear, I bet he is sh#ting it because I dont think it will get the yes vote the next time.. Where is all the jobs they promised????

PanchoVilla

I'm pretty sure the constitution requires a referendum for treaty amendments. It has nothing to do with what the government thinks the people want or don't want. Although I guess it could be argued that our constitution has no relevance as a legal document anymore as we signed up to the EU constitution. I don't really know though.

Edit: Either way, I most definitely think there should be a referendum. The government doesn't have a clue about what the people of this country want or need, or they do know but just don't care.

jock101

This is Irish Democracy, more like Chinese Democracy!:rolleyes: Do you really care anymore about this hole! :mad:

roy rodgers

jock101 wrote: »

This is Irish Democracy, more like Chinese Democracy!:rolleyes: Do you really care anymore about this hole! :mad:

Well, I dont want some nazi ruling us telling us how to live and how much tosafe and spend..
Let us be free.
No to Europe, No to Lisbon.

Lenny Lovett

jock101 wrote: »

Do you really care anymore about this hole! :mad:

I do actually. I care very much about it. My Grandparents fought for the Independence of Ireland and I find it quite upsetting to see what these clowns are doing to it now. Very sad indeed. We have a duty to try and turn things around. We have a duty to force a General Election as soon as possible and try and consign the entire current membership of the Oireachtas to history and see if we can repair the damage. Ireland can and will be strong again despite these clowns.

Pete_Cavan

Lenny Lovett wrote: »

So Brian Cowen was just on EuroNews saying that there would be no referendum in Ireland to adopt a new or amended Lisbon Treaty. He feels the Irish people really don't want another referendum and are happy with the Government deciding.... Eh? Are we? I'm not happy with them deciding anything. Can we just be ridden roughshod over like this?

It seems to be what the German government wants and Im happy enough to go along with them. Id trust people who actually know how to run an economy. If we had a referendum we would spend months, and a lot of money, debating and campaigning but most of us still wouldnt know what its all about even as we walking into the polling stations.

Lenny Lovett

roy rodgers wrote: »

Well, I dont want some nazi ruling us telling us how to live and how much tosafe and spend..

There's no need to be nasty about it. Try and be constructive instead.

jock101

roy rodgers wrote: »

Well, I dont want some nazi ruling us telling us how to live and how much tosafe and spend..
Let us be free.
No to Europe, No to Lisbon.

Well most of the EU states have been Commy/Nazi states at some stage in the last 80 years! So what do the YES Voters expect!:rolleyes:

Luckily we have a land border with the UK, some where to escape to when this state fails, and looking at our history for self interest and greed, it will be every paddy for himself!:)

jock101

Lenny Lovett wrote: »

There's no need to be nasty about it. Try and be constructive instead.

There is nothing constructive about this country since we politically got into bed with the EU:mad:. A trading community only please!:)

PanchoVilla

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

It seems to be what the German government wants and Im happy enough to go along with them. Id trust people who actually know how to run an economy. If we had a referendum we would spend months, and a lot of money, debating and campaigning but most of us still wouldnt know what its all about even as we walking into the polling stations.

Sure why don't we just dissolve the Daíl completely and hand our country over to the Germans then? Why don't we just forget the men and women who died in a war of independence and a civil war to grant this country it's independence? Seems to be history repeating itself. And to think we laugh at the French for surrendering so quickly.

Alternatively, why don't you just move to Germany and let us get on with trying to fix this broken democracy?

Pete_Cavan

jock101 wrote: »

There is nothing constructive about this country since we politically got into bed with the EU:mad:. A trading community only please!:)

They paid for all our roads, give us grants for all our unsustainable planning policies, are propping up our agriculture industry, will bail us out soon enough and even took McCreavy away! Thank God they are not only a trading community.

roy rodgers

We in Ireland only make up 1% of europes population, so we are a small fish in a very packed pond.
They will make us pay big time for pissing their money up against the wall and wont let us get ahead for very long time.
money=power

PanchoVilla

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

They paid for all our roads, give us grants for all our unsustainable planning policies, are propping up our agriculture industry, will bail us out soon enough and even took McCreavy away! Thank God they are not only a trading community.

So we're a welfare state in every sense of the word. On the Grafton St. of European economics, we're the homeless guy with a cup in his hand begging for handouts. That doesn't piss you off in the slightest?

jock101

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

They paid for all our roads, give us grants for all our unsustainable planning policies, are propping up our agriculture industry, will bail us out soon enough and even took McCreavy away! Thank God they are not only a trading community.

The tolled and soon to be tolled roads, farmer grants not to farm, and in return took our fishing rights to give to the spanish and french! Not to mention our nationality and sovereignty! I think you will find merkel and Sarky are trying to amend the lisbon treaty to punish the PIGS states for our national debts!:)

evercloserunion

PanchoVilla wrote: »

I'm pretty sure the constitution requires a referendum for treaty amendments. It has nothing to do with what the government thinks the people want or don't want. Although I guess it could be argued that our constitution has no relevance as a legal document anymore as we signed up to the EU constitution. I don't really know though.

- After Crotty, only significant treaty amendments require a referendum, and what is significant will be judged in each case according to certain criteria laid down in that case. That said, I think the feeling is that the courts would be very slow to allow the government to ratify without a referendum, and it would be politically very bad if a government tried to do it.

- Our constitution is, of course, still relevant after the Lisbon Treaty. There is no evidence to the contrary.

roy rodgers

Germany only gave the us the roads and grants because its was their way of saying sorry for trying to take over the world.
But now once again their through colours are starting to shine:p

Scofflaw

1. there are already threads on the subject

2. they're in the EU forum, which this one isn't.

3. this thread has only a couple of contributions that rise above the very lowest level.

Closed.

moderately,
Scofflaw