I was asked for my religion today..

gurramok

HarryPotter41 wrote: »

I can list all the things I do and have done, what have you ever done bar rant in here over a simple question ( asked of a very simple individual it must be said ).

Whatever.

HarryPotter41 wrote: »

My watch has me totally brainwashed, it has me going here there and everywhere at its beck and call, its disgraceful. Hmm, thats a second thread about that O must start.

The watch has control over your life? Denied you vital treatment due to the ethos of the watch?:rolleyes:

HarryPotter41

optogirl wrote: »

I genuinely don't know whether to laugh or cry

Just be grateful hes in the asylum ( he must be to have all the time he has to dedicate to this )

optogirl

gurramok wrote: »

optogirl wrote: »

You had asked "Do I hate you?". Despite the fact I had posted before your question that I loved everyone. Please keep up.

You're telling me to keep up?

Seaneh

gurramok wrote: »

Unfounded and disproven.

It's unfounded and disproven that I am an active member of an Assemblies of God Ireland Church?
How about the fact that I will be departing on a 11 month missions trip with a pentecostal organisation next July?
How about the fact that I am will be interning in a pentecostal church in the States for 2 months before I depart on the missions trip?


These are unfounded and disproven are they? I'd love to see your proof by the way...

optogirl

Seaneh wrote: »

It's unfounded and disproven that I am an active member of an Assemblies of God Ireland Church?
How about the fact that I will be departing on a 11 month missions trip with a pentecostal organisation next July?
How about the fact that I am will be interning in a pentecostal church in the States for 2 months before I depart on the missions trip?


These are unfounded and disproven are then? I'd love to see your proof by the way...

Seaneh do you not get it? If gurramok decides you are a catholic, you are proven to be one...

HarryPotter41

optogirl wrote: »

Seaneh do you not get it? If gurramok decides you are a catholic, you are proven to be one...

So basically this is all an anti Catholic rant and should be in the atheist forum, therefore should be closed as being totally irrelevant.

gurramok

Seaneh wrote: »

It's unfounded and disproven that I am an active member of an Assemblies of God Ireland Church?
How about the fact that I will be departing on a 11 month missions trip with a pentecostal organisation next July?
How about the fact that I am will be interning in a pentecostal church in the States for 2 months before I depart on the missions trip?


These are unfounded and disproven are they? I'd love to see your proof by the way...

Oh, you are going on missions now. :rolleyes: You won't preach to me son, try someone else to ram down your religious ramblings.

You sure you are not a member of the Westboro Baptist Church?

HarryPotter41

gurramok wrote: »

Oh, you are going on missions now. :rolleyes: You won't preach to me son, try someone else to ram down your religious ramblings.

You sure you are not a member of the Westboro Baptist Church?

Hey Gonzo, forgot to ask ya, hows Miss Piggy and Kermit keeping these days, ya never see them on the telly now.

gurramok

HarryPotter41 wrote: »

So basically this is all an anti Catholic rant and should be in the atheist forum, therefore should be closed as being totally irrelevant.

Another poster who has not been following the thread.

I don't hate Catholics. I want Catholic control removed from the hospitals & schools, whats wrong with that?

optogirl

gurramok wrote: »

Oh, you are going on missions now. :rolleyes: You won't preach to me son, try someone else to ram down your religious ramblings.

You sure you are not a member of the Westboro Baptist Church?

Don't think anyone tried to "ram down" religious ramblings at you and in what way, shape or form does any of this have ANYTHING to do with the Westboro Baptist Church? Either you are aware that you are talking sh*te and are now just posting anything in order to antagonise or you need serious chats with a therapist.

Seaneh

gurramok wrote: »

Oh, you are going on missions now. :rolleyes: You won't preach to me son, try someone else to ram down your religious ramblings.

You sure you are not a member of the Westboro Baptist Church?

You're hilarious.
Well done.


Also... where did you get baptist from pentecostal?

HarryPotter41

gurramok wrote: »

Another poster who has not been following the thread.

I don't hate Catholics. I want Catholic control removed from the hospitals & schools, whats wrong with that?

Strangely enough I was in hospital myself this year and spent a long time in and out of hospitals a couple of years ago while a relative was dying and I can honestly say I did not see anything that would suggest to me in anyway, shape or form that they were in any type of Catholic control. So it shows the obsessive nonsensical rant you have been on for the last while. You really need to get a life for yourself if you have managed to dedicate so much time to something like this at a time when the economy is going belly up and people are struggling with real problems. Find something to volunteer for and make use of your time a little more constructively than spending your time on the internet.

BTW, still waiting top hear how Miss Piggy and Kermit are keeping.

optogirl

gurramok wrote: »

Another poster who has not been following the thread.

I don't hate Catholics. I want Catholic control removed from the hospitals & schools, whats wrong with that?

WRONG. You got your knickers in a twist when somebody in a hospital asked you a perfectly acceptable question in order to fill in your form. You then went on a ludicrous rant about how the hospitals are mistreating non-catholics, children are being molested in hospitals etc and anyone who disagrees with you is a militant catholic. If you wanted to discuss the church's control on education there are several threads where you could do this however you have shown to be nonsensical, incomprehensible and insulting to both atheists and religious alike so I'm not sure how welcome you would be.

HarryPotter41

Seaneh wrote: »

You're hilarious.
Well done.


Also... where did you get baptist from pentecostal?

Hes not worth worrying about Seaneh. And best of luck with the missionary work, you're to be admired.

Seaneh

Also, as for ramming religion down peoples throats and so forth.

The missions trip I am going on is so evil.
We work for organisations like Child Voice International teaching life skills to teenage girls who were former child soldiers, giving them a basic education, teach them English and craft skills so they can provide for themselves an their kids.

THIS MUST BE STOPPED!

HarryPotter41

Seaneh wrote: »

Also, as for ramming religion down peoples throats and so forth.

The missions trip I am going on is so evil.
We work for organisations like http://www.childvoiceintl.org/ teaching life skills to teenage girls who were former child soldiers, giving them a basic education, teach them English and craft skills so they can provide for themselves an their kids.

THIS MUST BE STOPPED!

Well, in fairness, the atheists could do it, but a lot of them spend their time on the internet railing against God and religion. Too self centered and obsessed to do anything about anyone else.

optogirl

HarryPotter41 wrote: »

Well, in fairness, the atheists could do it, but a lot of them spend their time on the internet railing against God and religion. Too self centered and obsessed to do anything about anyone else.

Please don't judge us all by gurramok's standards.

Seaneh

HarryPotter41 wrote: »

Well, in fairness, the atheists could do it, but a lot of them spend their time on the internet railing against God and religion. Too self centered and obsessed to do anything about anyone else.

And a lot of atheists do similar stuff and other humanitarian works (like MSF and so on), and fair play to them, it's much needed work.

HarryPotter41

Seaneh wrote: »

And a lot of atheists do similar stuff and other humanitarian works (like MSF and so on), and fair play to them, it's much needed work.

But not gonzo, hes too busy ranting about pointless stuff.

HarryPotter41

optogirl wrote: »

Please don't judge us all by gurramok's standards.

I wouldn't, put it badly, I meant the obsessive atheists like gonzo who spends all his time on the internet railing against God and Catholics while doing nothing real about the issues that bother him or anything for anyone in general. I would not class you in anything like that bracket optogirl.

gurramok

HarryPotter41 wrote: »

Strangely enough I was in hospital myself this year and spent a long time in and out of hospitals a couple of years ago while a relative was dying and I can honestly say I did not see anything that would suggest to me in anyway, shape or form that they were in any type of Catholic control. So it shows the obsessive nonsensical rant you have been on for the last while. You really need to get a life for yourself if you have managed to dedicate so much time to something like this at a time when the economy is going belly up and people are struggling with real problems. Find something to volunteer for and make use of your time a little more constructively than spending your time on the internet.

So says the man that is supposed to be working in the Dept of Justice:rolleyes:

Where do you get all the time, in prison?:D

gurramok

optogirl wrote: »

WRONG. You got your knickers in a twist when somebody in a hospital asked you a perfectly acceptable question in order to fill in your form. You then went on a ludicrous rant about how the hospitals are mistreating non-catholics, children are being molested in hospitals etc and anyone who disagrees with you is a militant catholic. If you wanted to discuss the church's control on education there are several threads where you could do this however you have shown to be nonsensical, incomprehensible and insulting to both atheists and religious alike so I'm not sure how welcome you would be.

You're wrong young alleged athiest. So you are perfectly content with Catholic control over vital institutions, sure yes and the Pope is not a Catholic:rolleyes:

gurramok

Seaneh wrote: »

Also, as for ramming religion down peoples throats and so forth.

The missions trip I am going on is so evil.
We work for organisations like Child Voice International teaching life skills to teenage girls who were former child soldiers, giving them a basic education, teach them English and craft skills so they can provide for themselves an their kids.

THIS MUST BE STOPPED!

Its about time you did some good instead of wishing people not to wake up in the mornings.

Seaneh wrote: »

And a lot of atheists do similar stuff and other humanitarian works (like MSF and so on), and fair play to them, it's much needed work.

Thanks for the appreciation.

optogirl

gurramok wrote: »

You're wrong young alleged athiest. So you are perfectly content with Catholic control over vital institutions, sure yes and the Pope is not a Catholic:rolleyes:

gurramok - you have resorted now to pretending to know people better than they know themselves. I am not allegedly anything. How dare you accuse me of believing in something I most definitely DO NOT.

gurramok

optogirl wrote: »

gurramok - you have resorted now to pretending to know people better than they know themselves. I am not allegedly anything. How dare you accuse me of believing in something I most definitely DO NOT.

Why you content then? You're happy with religious control over a hospital and it does not bother you, that speaks volumes dear.

Seaneh

gurramok wrote: »

Its about time you did some good instead of wishing people not to wake up in the mornings.

I never wished you didn't wake up in the morning. Show me where I said that? Dear lord man you are really grasping at straws here.

gurramok wrote: »

Thanks for the appreciation.

I appreciate people who actually make a difference in others lives, regardless of their faith or lack thereof.
I do not, however, appreciate keyboard warriors with an axe to grind and terrible grasp of the English language.

optogirl

gurramok wrote: »

Why you content then? You're happy with religious control over a hospital and it does not bother you, that speaks volumes dear.

I am not your dear. I have never heard of anyone being mistreated or given substandard treatment in an Irish hospital because of their religion. Grow up and stop sniping at people who don't agree with you.

XxMCRxBabyxX

optogirl wrote: »

gurramok - you have resorted now to pretending to know people better than they know themselves. I am not allegedly anything. How dare you accuse me of believing in something I most definitely DO NOT.

It's ok optogirl. No one is allowed assume gurramok's religion but he's allowed assume our religions to the point that we're wrong when stating our OWN beliefs!

Lightshow

alwaysadub wrote: »

In case you need a blood transfusion maybe?
Only reason i can think of.

Correct answer. Remember those parents a year or so ao who took the state to the courts because they didn't want their daughter given a blood transfusion as it was against their religion? The state won but now hospitals have to ask what religion new patients are.

Mad world!!!

gurramok

Seaneh wrote: »

I never wished you didn't wake up in the morning. Show me where I said that? Dear lord man you are really grasping at straws here.

I gave you proof of the post in #251 http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68757839&postcount=251

I just hope you will not say that to any of the poor children on your mission just because one of them disagrees with your aspect of religion

Seaneh wrote: »

I appreciate people who actually make a difference in others lives, regardless of their faith or lack thereof.
I do not, however, appreciate keyboard warriors with an axe to grind and terrible grasp of the English language.

Sure yeh, but you still have a problem with their faith in your resounding defence of Catholic influence in our schools & hospitals.

If you have a problem with the English language, go to the English language forum.

optogirl wrote: »

I am not your dear. I have never heard of anyone being mistreated or given substandard treatment in an Irish hospital because of their religion. Grow up and stop sniping at people who don't agree with you.

I gave you evidence Opto, remember the Mater lung cancer trials?

optogirl

gurramok wrote: »

I gave you proof of the post in #251 http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68757839&postcount=251

I just hope you will not say that to any of the poor children on your mission just because one of them disagrees with your aspect of religion



Sure yeh, but you still have a problem with their faith in your resounding defence of Catholic influence in our schools & hospitals.

If you have a problem with the English language, go to the English language forum.



I gave you evidence Opto, remember the Mater lung cancer trials?

TRIALS being the operative word

XxMCRxBabyxX

gurramok wrote: »

I gave you evidence Opto, remember the Mater lung cancer trials?

That had nothing to do with the religion of the patients which is what you were asked about

gurramok

optogirl wrote: »

TRIALS being the operative word

Did you read the article at all? You've been around long enough debating the subject in that you'd know that the trials were halted as they violated the Catholic ethos of the hospital.

gurramok

XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »

That had nothing to do with the religion of the patients which is what you were asked about

Another who has not been following the article. Its quite ironic that I've been accused of not been able to read or write but yet there are posters who cannot grasp the article that was presented to them.

Yet again, the trials were halted as they violated the Catholic ethos of the hospital.

Seaneh

gurramok wrote: »

I gave you proof of the post in #251 http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68757839&postcount=251

You gave me no proof that I wished you dead. I see no proof!

gurramok wrote: »

I just hope you will not say that to any of the poor children on your mission just because one of them disagrees with your aspect of religion

I am quite sure that after spending weeks at a time working with people I will grow rather attached to them, will have formed relationships with them and will, as such, care rather deeply for many of them. So I don't think you have anything to worry about there Gonzo.

gurramok wrote: »

Sure yeh, but you still have a problem with their faith in your resounding defence of Catholic influence in our schools & hospitals.

I have no problem with anyones faith or lack thereof. I just have the ability to judge the Catholic Church objectively.

gurramok wrote: »

If you have a problem with the English language, go to the English language forum.

I have no such problem, it is you who who has an obvious problem with the English language. I'd recommend some English as a Foreign language classes for you, might help.

gurramok wrote: »

I gave you evidence Opto, remember the Mater lung cancer trials?

What proof? You linked to an article about a trial not going ahead.
You do realise that if the trial went ahead, the patients would not have been able to benefit from already proven forms of care in that field as long as they were part of the trial?
Meaning that instead of benefiting from years of expertise and clinically proven methods of treating their illness they would have been exposed solely to an unproved method of treatment thus increasing their chances of the illness killing them?

Or is that too much of an obvious fact for you to understand?

gurramok

Seaneh wrote: »

You gave me no proof that I wished you dead. I see no proof!

Haha, you didn't care if I didn't wake up in the morning. Thats an uncaring attituide. Will you be telling the poor people about your uncaring attitude on your mission that?

Seaneh wrote: »

I am quite sure that after spending weeks at a time working with people I will grow rather attached to them, will have formed relationships with them and will, as such, care rather deeply for many of them. So I don't think you have anything to worry about there Gonzo.

Yes Gonzo. Its good to see you doing some missionary work. Will you be helping the poor here on your return?

Seaneh wrote: »

I have no problem with anyones faith or lack thereof. I just have the ability to judge the Catholic Church objectively.

Abysmal judgement which I have proved conclusively.

Seaneh wrote: »

What proof? You linked to an article about a trial not going ahead.
You do realise that if the trial went ahead, the patients would not have been able to benefit from already proven forms of care in that field as long as they were part of the trial?
Meaning that instead of benefiting from years of expertise and clinically proven methods of treating their illness they would have been exposed solely to an unproved method of treatment thus increasing their chances of the illness killing them?

Or is that too much of an obvious fact for you to understand?

All what if's and my explanation of those if's were proven to be correct by the new poster named Sparky.

They didn't even get to the 'what if' stage as the trials were halted based on religious grounds.

optogirl

gurramok wrote: »

Haha, you didn't care if I didn't wake up in the morning. Thats an uncaring attituide. Will you be telling the poor people about your uncaring attitude on your mission that?

Seriously - what is your problem? You cannot stand to see somebody do some good? Or is it that you just have to keep getting baseless digs in to make yourself feel better?

Its good to see you doing some missionary work. Will you be helping the poor here on your return?

Will you?

Abysmal judgement which I have proved conclusively.

You have proved one thing conclusively but if I say what it is I will be banned

XxMCRxBabyxX

gurramok wrote: »

Another who has not been following the article. Its quite ironic that I've been accused of not been able to read or write but yet there are posters who cannot grasp the article that was presented to them.

Yet again, the trials were halted as they violated the Catholic ethos of the hospital.

Exactly NOTHING to do with the religion of the patients. For gods sake it's not that hard to read a post properly

I am not your dear. I have never heard of anyone being mistreated or given substandard treatment in an Irish hospital because of their religion. Grow up and stop sniping at people who don't agree with you.

gurramok

optogirl wrote: »

Seriously - what is your problem? You cannot stand to see somebody do some good? Or is it that you just have to keep getting baseless digs in to make yourself feel better?

How is it good that a person who is supposed to do missionary work does not care if I wake up in the morning?

In contrast, i've wished every poster to live as long as possible, you can get proof of that in this very thread.

optogirl wrote: »

Will you?

How? I'm from the ghetto, i'm already poor.

gurramok

XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »

Exactly NOTHING to do with the religion of the patients. For gods sake it's not that hard to read a post properly

You need to read posts properly.

Go back to the article again. What the patients did violated Catholic teachings hence the trials were blocked. Where did I say it was to do with their religion?

optogirl

gurramok wrote: »

How is it good that a person who is supposed to do missionary work does not care if I wake up in the morning?

Perhaps, and you may find this hard to understand, him not caring either way is because it would have no effect on him one way or the other. Same as you wishing us to live as long as possible will in no way alter whether we do or not. Get over yourself.

Seaneh

gurramok wrote: »

Haha, you didn't care if I didn't wake up in the morning. Thats an uncaring attituide. Will you be telling the poor people about your uncaring attitude on your mission that?

I don't care whether or not I eat Chicken in the next few days, doesn't mean I wish to never eat chicken again. Your leaps of (il)logic are astounding. I am clearly going on a missions trip BECAUSE I care, why else would I travle around the world for a year living on $1.25 a day, risking malaria, parasites and worse, not being able to shower for up to 4 weeks at a time, eating rice and beans every day for a months at a time, giving up my life for a year? This isn't the sort of thing people do "for the craic".

gurramok wrote: »

Yes Gonzo. Its good to see you doing some missionary work. Will you be helping the poor here on your return?

You are Gonzo, silly boy, not me!
And to answer your question, I already do. My Church has just bought a food trailer which we will use to distribute food, blankets, sleeping bags and clothes to homeless people.

gurramok wrote: »

Abysmal judgement which I have proved conclusively.

You have proven nothing. You have spouted utter nonsense for 50 pages now. Time to give up.

gurramok wrote: »

All what if's and my explanation of those if's were proven to be correct by the new poster named Sparky.

They didn't even get to the 'what if' stage as the trials were halted based on religious grounds.

Even IF the board approved the trial, people still have to volunteer for it. And lets be honest. You're in hospital with a terminal illness. Doctor A and Doctor B are offering you treatments.

Doctor A: I can give you a treatment with a proven success rate and years of medical knowledge and experience in this treatment.

Doctor B: I have an unproven treatment that MAY be quicker/cheaper/easier. However, to use this treatment you have to stop all other treatments as we have to see how this treatment does by itself, because that's what a clinical trial is.



I can tell you, right now, most people would tell Doctor B to get lost.

optogirl

gurramok wrote: »

You need to read posts properly.

Go back to the article again. What the patients did violated Catholic teachings hence the trials were blocked. Where did I say it was to do with their religion?

are you fuc*king serious?

Seaneh

optogirl wrote: »

are you fuc*king serious?

I actually think he is, which is the scary part, because either he misread the thing or he's somehow managed to convince himself he is right...

XxMCRxBabyxX

gurramok wrote: »

You need to read posts properly.

Go back to the article again. What the patients did violated Catholic teachings hence the trials were blocked. Where did I say it was to do with their religion?

By answering optogirls questions that's exactly what you implied. Again read properly!

gurramok

optogirl wrote: »

are you fuc*king serious?

Seaneh wrote: »

I actually think he is, which is the scary part, because either he misread the thing or he's somehow managed to convince himself he is right...

XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »

By answering optogirls questions that's exactly what you implied. Again read properly!

Jesus, Mary and Joseph people, read the damn article.:mad:

ARTICLE wrote:

because females undergoing treatment were advised to take contraception or abstain from sex. The proposal to use the drug had already been approved by the ethics committee in Tallaght hospital but the sub committee of the Mater board argued that advising women to use contraception was against Catholic doctrine.

and I've been accused of not been able to read:rolleyes:

Seaneh

gurramok wrote: »

Jesus, Mary and Joseph people, read the damn article.:mad:



and I've been accused of not been able to read:rolleyes:

Because you clearly can't.

Also, for someone who doesn't believe in him, you use my saviors name quite a bit.

gurramok

Seaneh wrote: »

I don't care whether or not I eat Chicken in the next few days, doesn't mean I wish to never eat chicken again. Your leaps of (il)logic are astounding. I am clearly going on a missions trip BECAUSE I care, why else would I travle around the world for a year living on $1.25 a day, risking malaria, parasites and worse, not being able to shower for up to 4 weeks at a time, eating rice and beans every day for a months at a time, giving up my life for a year? This isn't the sort of thing people do "for the craic".

Where is the similarity in caring for your own personal gain and caring for humans?

Seaneh wrote: »

You are Gonzo, silly boy, not me!
And to answer your question, I already do. My Church has just bought a food trailer which we will use to distribute food, blankets, sleeping bags and clothes to homeless people.

Thats good to hear Gonzo if its true. I might just bump into you on the streets then. I just hope you don't discriminate on religious grounds when distributing the gear.

Seaneh wrote: »

You have proven nothing. You have spouted utter nonsense for 50 pages now. Time to give up.

You cannot judge the Catholic Church objectively, you are biased.

Seaneh wrote: »

Even IF the board approved the trial, people still have to volunteer for it. And lets be honest. You're in hospital with a terminal illness. Doctor A and Doctor B are offering you treatments.

Doctor A: I can give you a treatment with a proven success rate and years of medical knowledge and experience in this treatment.

Doctor B: I have an unproven treatment that MAY be quicker/cheaper/easier. However, to use this treatment you have to stop all other treatments as we have to see how this treatment does by itself, because that's what a clinical trial is.

I can tell you, right now, most people would tell Doctor B to get lost.

And what if A was not available? You see, there lies the problem. B never had a hope of success due to religious interference.:mad:

XxMCRxBabyxX

gurramok wrote: »

Jesus, Mary and Joseph people, read the damn article.:mad:



and I've been accused of not been able to read:rolleyes:

I still see nothing that has anything to do with the religion of the patients

partyatmygaff

gurramok wrote: »

Jesus, Mary and Joseph people, read the damn article.:mad:

Oho, Catholic in denial? Suspicious stuff altogether.

and I've been accused of not been able to read:rolleyes:

Nah you weren't accused of anything. It was merely a statement of an objective fact.