so how much more do we all have to take?

Elevator

all in here have a good head for politics and we all know what has gone on in Irish politics for nearly the past hundred years (lies, corruption and very serious backhanders, more lies, constant pain and suffering to the majority of the nation, more lies, more taxes, more corruption, more disclosures, more gestimates that prove to be way off the mark, more pain, etc etc etc!!!) and yet there's still no big reaction from the general public?!?

am I the only one here that thinks it's all gonna blow soon? if it is clearer as each day goes by that around the world we are being governed by a load of self serving delusional idiots intent on keeping us all locked down with debt and for their lives of extravigance to be kept up at any cost then surely there will be a rising yet??

Meh, no. we can take a lot more..

PanchoVilla

There won't be a rising in the sense of the 1916 rising. Things are already in motion to reform this country, but it will take time if people are hesitant to get on board. There are initiatives taking place all over the country to take back the power we so foolishly gave to Dail Eireann.

The following is not an advertisement or anything like that, just an example of something I'm personally involved in that can help our country if we get enough people involved. My only involvement so far is attending a meeting and voting on ideas on the site. I'm sure there are other initiatives similar to this that people can get involved with.

http://www.claimingourfuture.ie/

jock101

Just turn your back on this dirty morally corrupt place, and start a new life elsewhere!:mad: Nothing ever changes here. Same old crap its everyone elses fault. It used to be Brit bashing and the 800 years crap, now its the Banks and the Thicks in Leinster house voted in power by yours truely! BooHoo poor little Paddy!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

meglome

Elevator wrote: »

am I the only one here that thinks it's all gonna blow soon? if it is clearer as each day goes by that around the world we are being governed by a load of self serving delusional idiots intent on keeping us all locked down with debt and for their lives of extravigance to be kept up at any cost then surely there will be a rising yet??

Oh I think we can take a lot more. Also I'm pretty sure no one was forced to take out any loans, they chose to do it. Free will can be a bitch.

PanchoVilla wrote: »

There won't be a rising in the sense of the 1916 rising. Things are already in motion to reform this country, but it will take time if people are hesitant to get on board. There are initiatives taking place all over the country to take back the power we so foolishly gave to Dail Eireann.

The following is not an advertisement or anything like that, just an example of something I'm personally involved in that can help our country if we get enough people involved. My only involvement so far is attending a meeting and voting on ideas on the site. I'm sure there are other initiatives similar to this that people can get involved with.

http://www.claimingourfuture.ie/

You do know what representative democracy is right? We elect people to make decisions on our behalf, we should have stopped electing certain people but we didn't. Though in principle I'm all for change.

Einhard

PanchoVilla wrote: »

The following is not an advertisement or anything like that, just an example of something I'm personally involved in that can help our country if we get enough people involved. My only involvement so far is attending a meeting and voting on ideas on the site. I'm sure there are other initiatives similar to this that people can get involved with.

http://www.claimingourfuture.ie/

Was somewhat interested until I came to this:

We could, for example, choose to:

Achieve greater equality through wage, tax and income policies that ensure maximum income is not more than a specific multiple of minimum income...

Any organisation or party that is even suggesting such a ridiculous step is entirely divorced from reality, and needs a crash course in how the world works.

Canis_Lupus

It can hardly be worse than some of the stuff our current honchos have done.

Elevator

Canis_Lupus wrote: »

It can hardly be worse than some of the stuff our current honchos have done.

here here!!! Irish Governments have raped the good name of Ireland and sold the majority of the country out so so many times since the begining of the State.

so much so that we stare into what could well become a bottomless pit of debt we remain the last benefactor of any profits from our own natural gas and oil deposits. it baffles me how we can sit back when we'd have wealth to keep up with the big boys but no as usual a small number gained from the giveaway.

I am really reaching boilng point with what I can take because if so many lies and bull**** was to be seem anywhere else you really would have to draw a line and demand tha we sort it once and for all!!!

PeterIanStaker

Nothing will change, people are so cowed and defeated by church, govt and media that they will continue to bend over and recieve it. Same all over the world but thats not the point.

Pal

I am sick to the pit of my belly with this country.

A greed frenzy took place with wrongdoings commonplace.
Nobody gets held to account and never will.
Politicians had no foresight and only care now about self preservation.
Resign and be gone you shower. All of you.

Plenty of people like me had nothing whatsoever to do with any of the crap that went on.

Hate the place.
Wish I could leave.

Elevator

I hear ya Pal, we've been weighing up leaving the country but where do you go where you're guaranteed not to be suffering more than we are now??

most other countries are in poor enough shape and without at least recieving the dole here we'd be seriously screwed living in a foreign land!!

only thing we can think of is checking if you can still move your Irish dole to another eu country for 10 weeks and giving it a shot over the 2 monhs and come home if it's not working over there

interesting piece just on the news with good old factna murphy on rte to tell us there are complex cases being investigated against certain people involved in corruption/banking crisis, how deep will this go do you think?

Einhard

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

Nothing will change, people are so cowed and defeated by church, govt and media that they will continue to bend over and recieve it. Same all over the world but thats not the point.

Well, In my case, nothing much will change because I'm on the dole at the moment, and am actually living a relatively comfortable existence. As are the majority of the Irish people, relative both to their Europen (not to mention global) coutnerparts, and indeed, relative to their position 10-15 years ago. Our education system bears up well in comparison to that in other countries, as does, believe it or not, our health system. We have a low crime rate, and a high degree of social cohesian. Our people are, on average, amongst the hieghest paid in the world; our unemployed in receipt of some of the most generous entitlements in the world. The elderly are well looked after, so much so that English pensioners have flocked to Ireland over the years, and continue to do so, in search of a better standard of living. People complain about our universities, yet in international rankings, they stand up well. Not bad considering they are, for the most part, free to all. I hope to return to education next year, and have just been appraising myself of the financial supports available to me. They are, even in a downturn, quite generous.

That's why we haven't had riots or revolts yet, nothwithstanding some posters predilection for sodomy metaphors.

Pal

Elevator wrote: »

complex cases being investigated against certain people involved in corruption/banking crisis, how deep will this go do you think?

it won't go anywhere.
I will bet on it.
not in Ireland.
They will all just ignore it and go for a game of golf.

Pal

Like to swap Einhard ?

Your life of luxury on the dole for my 6 dependants and a sore ringpiece.

Einhard

Pal wrote: »

Like to swap Einhard ?

Your life of luxury on the dole for my 6 dependants and a sore ringpiece.

Never claimed it was a life of luxury Pal. Just putting things in perspective for you.

I assume some of those dependents are children. Perhaps you'd like to swap with someone in your position in England? Where child benefit for the first child is £80pm, as opposed to this horrible country which you despise so utterly, where it's €150pm. And that's going on figures from before the Tory's recent cuts.

Pal

Its just my petty sarcasm borne out of apathy.
Don't mind me.

danbohan

Einhard wrote: »

Well, In my case, nothing much will change because I'm on the dole at the moment, and am actually living a relatively comfortable existence. As are the majority of the Irish people, relative both to their Europen (not to mention global) coutnerparts, and indeed, relative to their position 10-15 years ago. Our education system bears up well in comparison to that in other countries, as does, believe it or not, our health system. We have a low crime rate, and a high degree of social cohesian. Our people are, on average, amongst the hieghest paid in the world; our unemployed in receipt of some of the most generous entitlements in the world. The elderly are well looked after, so much so that English pensioners have flocked to Ireland over the years, and continue to do so, in search of a better standard of living. People complain about our universities, yet in international rankings, they stand up well. Not bad considering they are, for the most part, free to all. I hope to return to education next year, and have just been appraising myself of the financial supports available to me. They are, even in a downturn, quite generous.

That's why we haven't had riots or revolts yet, nothwithstanding some posters predilection for sodomy metaphors.

well said sir , the one thing this country has produced in recent years is the greatest whingers on the planet , yes a lot things are crap , so what . ever think we are bloody lucky compared to somebody born 100 years ago or even 50/60 years ago . personal responsibility starting at the top will sort things out , it may take emu/imf intervention to make the changes here that need to be made ,after 18 months of them then we might really have something to moan about

Callan57

Chinese Proverb:

There is great freedom in having no choice

Pal

danbohan wrote: »

well said sir , the one thing this country has produced in recent years is the greatest whingers on the planet , yes a lot things are crap , so what . ever think we are bloody lucky compared to somebody born 100 years ago or even 50/60 years ago . personal responsibility starting at the top will sort things out , it may take emu/imf intervention to make the changes here that need to be made ,after 18 months of them then we might really have something to moan about

You're missing the point. I believe Einhard is too.

Nobody is saying we have crap universities or high crime or anything adverse.
Ireland does indeed have many qualities but thats not what we're talking about.

The question is "how much more do we have to take"

Fact is a small number of persons fcuked up this place big time and you and I are paying for it. If I had an option to leave and not take any more of what is going on here. I would.

bobblepuzzle

Fianna Fail is the best Government ever! :pac: